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ONE MORE TIME: STOLEN AGAIN -- HERE ARE FACTS -- USE THEM! Posted by politmuse1 Added to homepage Wed Nov 03rd 2004, 01:20 AM ET I tried earlier, and no one wanted to believe it. Maybe now you do? *THE FIX IS IN.* If we're afraid to call it as is, there's no chance we'll ever see democracy or a Democrat elected in this country every again. PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES. Here are some facts: (1) All exit polls had Kerry ahead in in FL and OH. (2) All Democrats were completely confident, based (I'm sure) on internal polls. Kennedy said Kerry won. He was sure. So was the DNC chair, who referred to Kerry as president-elect. (3) Canadian TV (CTV) said it will be an early landslide (their word) for Kerry. They had inside information. (4) Exit polls have always been correct -- until they pulled Florida away from Gore, and Bush took power by force. Since then no exit poll has ever been any good. Coincidence? (5) In the midterm elections, the VERY SAME thing happened as tonight. Polls nationwide favored Democrats, and then the GOP won every state -- and the exit polls vanished!!! Pollsters had never been so wrong. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME MACHINES WERE USED. (6) We all know who owns the Diebold (Diabolical) voting machines. And it ain't the Democrats. (5) Every historical predictor pointed to a Kerry victory: the large turnout, Bush's approval ratings, the economy, and the fact that he consistently polled under 50 or even 48%. No president had ever won with such low numbers. And then magically everything reversed itself and Bush wins. Do you guys believe this is for real? I don't know what we can do. But at the very least I suggest: -- Write letters to every paper and every person you know, outlining the facts above (plus everything you can add about the electronic voting machines -- lots of info out there). -- Write Kennedy and others who KNOW Kerry had the real vote. We need them to come forward and speak out. -- We need strategy. We can't just go and protest and be angry. It will look like we can't accept defeat. We need to get our facts and target our message. Or else forget about this country. Ideas? Drop me a line. Discuss this topic (15 responses)

Those people are hopeless. I hope this is the end of the Democratic party. Scary thing is how rabid they will be next time. They may as well as quit bsing folks and juist admit they are closet commies.

The dumb fuckers don't realize that the exit polls depend on people wanting to participate.  Did it ever occur to them that maybe one demographic might be more apt to participate than the other?  I saw women stopped at the exit poll, but knowing how the media works, my GF and I had ZERO desire to participate.  I am sure this held true for a lot of us educated conservatives.

Idiots!

If we're afraid to call it as is, there's no chance we'll ever see democracy or a Democrat elected in this country every again. PLEASE WAKE UP AND SMELL THE ROSES.

As hard as this is to believe, Kerry not being in office is not the end of democracy. In fact, it means we WON'T have a socialist regime for the next four years.

Here are some facts:

According to whom? Don't confuse facts with wishful thinking. I know your parents gave you everything you wanted as a child and refused to punish you when you were stupid because they feared giving you psychological trauma, but just because you want something doesn't make it happen.

(1) All exit polls had Kerry ahead in in FL and OH.

Not all, and exit polls only count the people who were polled, dumbass.

(2) All Democrats were completely confident, based (I'm sure) on internal polls. Kennedy said Kerry won. He was sure. So was the DNC chair, who referred to Kerry as president-elect.

Democrats polling Democrats on who they thought won, and using that to base their beliefs that Kerry would win upon. Somehow something this illogical doesn't surprise me, coming from you bunch.

(3) Canadian TV (CTV) said it will be an early landslide (their word) for Kerry. They had inside information.

First of all, who cares what the Canadians think? They're in ANOTHER F***ING COUNTRY. Second, they're mostly socialists too, so of course they're going to hope Kerry wins. Third, how, exactly, are the Canadians getting inside information on the elections? More importantly, who are they getting this inside information from? The Magic 8-Ball?

(4) Exit polls have always been correct -- until they pulled Florida away from Gore, and Bush took power by force. Since then no exit poll has ever been any good. Coincidence?

Exit polls have always been correct. Yes, and I'm sure the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor by accident and we should have given them the chance to apologize before declaring war. And if no exit poll has been correct since the last election (yeah, that's like getting smacked in the face twice, once on each cheek, and bitching about it not being the same cheek since the first time. Dumbass.), and you claim that the exit polls showed Kerry in the lead... then wouldn't that mean that all the polls showing Kerry in the lead were wrong? Geeze, I've seen small children form better logic than you.

(5) In the midterm elections, the VERY SAME thing happened as tonight. Polls nationwide favored Democrats, and then the GOP won every state -- and the exit polls vanished!!! Pollsters had never been so wrong. IT WAS THE FIRST TIME MACHINES WERE USED.

You know that one day the machines will rule the earth and humans will be enslaved or exterminated, right? It all starts with one little election. BAN THE MACHINES! Especially your computers, you've obviously abused the privilege of the internet.

(6) We all know who owns the Diebold (Diabolical) voting machines. And it ain't the Democrats.

I don't know who owns them. Why don't you enlighten me? Also, I'd be very interested to hear your proof that every rockstar from the 60's EXCEPT Elvis was abducted by space aliens.

(5) Every historical predictor pointed to a Kerry victory: the large turnout, Bush's approval ratings, the economy, and the fact that he consistently polled under 50 or even 48%. No president had ever won with such low numbers.

We're not predicting history. Prediction means you're guessing what the future will be. Again, small children grasp this concept better than you. I just hope you're not polluting their minds with your mindless garbage. He polled under 50%? Great, that still means close to half the people that got polled wanted him. Assuming people who got polled chose people other than Bush and Kerry, it's logical to assume that Kerry got about the same as Bush. Also, you forget, not everyone who voted took a poll beforehand.

And then magically everything reversed itself and Bush wins. Do you guys believe this is for real?

Well, you believe Jane Fonda is a hero and not a filthy traitor, so who cares what sort of flawed judgement you may have?

I don't know what we can do. But at the very least I suggest:

This is the one thing you've said that makes sense. Except replace "what we can do" with "jack shit".

-- Write letters to every paper and every person you know, outlining the facts above (plus everything you can add about the electronic voting machines -- lots of info out there).

Yes, and other than annoying people with spam mail and wasting time for media employees who have to wade through all your crap while looking for potential Letters to the Editor, what exactly are you going to accomplish? Also, what information are we adding about the voting machines? That they use that new-fangled technology you mistrust so much? If it were up to you, we'd be sitting around in a cave trying to decide if rocks were edible.

-- Write Kennedy and others who KNOW Kerry had the real vote. We need them to come forward and speak out.

Yeah, tell the people who just got their political asses handed to them on a platter with all the trimmings that you think they should complain about it. While you're at it, why don't form a committee to decide what the best way to waste time and energy would be? You're good at that sort of thing.

-- We need strategy. We can't just go and protest and be angry. It will look like we can't accept defeat. We need to get our facts and target our message. Or else forget about this country.

Wait- You DON'T want it to look like you CAN'T accept defeat? So you want it to look like you DO accept defeat? See, this is the sort of thing I'm talking about. If an infinite number of monkeys, with an infinite number of typewriters, were to hit random keys on the typewriters for eternity, they'd create the complete works of Shakespeare, how many would it take to write up the stuff you write? My guess: one monkey, one typewriter, ten minutes and a bottle of vodka later. And you're targeting your message? You're targeting your own message? What's the idea here, attack your own campaign? Sheesh. No wonder you guys flip-flop so much, you're chasing your own tails.

Ideas? Drop me a line.

Yeah. Stop breathing. You'll do the world a favor and save oxygen for those of us who've actually earned it.

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