Followup to the fired Long John Silvers Employee

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Posted: 10/20/2004 4:05:45 PM EDT

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WTF? As far as I know, this holds no legal authority for me since I'm not an employee of LJS. I want to post the email I just got.
ETA - Good enough for me FOTBR.

Thank you for your thoughts on the recent events in our Richardson,
Texas location. We always want to hear feedback from our customers.

Unfortunately, the media coverage of the event has been one-sided. In
order to respect the employee's privacy, we have not been able to
reveal all the facts of the situation. However, I can tell you the
following:

Our top priority is the safety of our employees and our customers. We
are fortunate that the employee's spur-of-the-moment decision turned
out the way it did, but we need to set the facts straight on what
happened. The employee told us that during the robbery, he realized
the first thief did not appear to have a gun: "When I seen he only had
his hand as a gun, I got mad." At that point, he said he grabbed a
hammer and hit the suspect in the head. This is in the employee's
signed statement.

Although the media has portrayed this employee as a person fearing he
was about to be killed, his own statement indicates he took action
because he believed the robber was unarmed and that he was "mad" about
it. His actions escalated the violence during a situation that was
already potentially violent, and put his life and the lives of his
employees at risk.

Recently, Terrie Dort, the Executive Director of the National Food
Service Security Council, issued a statement in support of Long John
Silver's policy: "The vast majority of retail robberies result in lost
money, but not lost lives. Responding to an attempted robbery in a
violent manner dramatically increases the risk of harm to employees and
customers."

In a serious situation such as this, we appreciate that there may be
differences in opinion. While we respect your perspective, we must
stand by the decision we made because it supports our first priority of
keeping our employees and customers safe. The decision was made after
a careful evaluation of all the facts, many of which are not currently
public.

We appreciate your interest in this situation, and we hope now that you
know more of the facts, we'll see you again soon in one of our
restaurants.

Sincerely,

Steve Davis President and COO, Long John Silver's, Inc., and A&W
Restaurants, Inc.

Does this change anything?
ETA again - IIRC the baddies haven't been caught. What were the employees being ordered in the back for if not to the future murder scene?

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:12:10 PM EDT

[#1]

the way I read it, is if you're NOT the intended recepient, then they don't want you spreading it around......

since it was sent to you, you cand do whatever the hell you want with it.

BUT. I'm not a lawyer. I didn't stay at a holiday inn last night.

besides, i've seen that tag on all sorts of emails, I just ignore it - i've seen it attached to emails with friggin announcements that are supposed to be made public, etc etc etc. To me, its kinda like those pesky EULAs that no one ever reads.

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:19:20 PM EDT

[#2]

Damn....I was just eating there when I was visiting six months ago. Richardson is where I was born (Well...technically in the firestation there....birth cert says Dallas Hospital.)

I still remember when my mom invited the firefighters who delivered me in the back of an ambulance there to my fourth birthday party. (in '89)

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:28:18 PM EDT

[#3]

Do a search on Georgetown murders then forward that story to him. There was a case in G-town (DC) a few years ago where robbers ordered the three employees into the freezer then shot them each in the forehead execution style.

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:31:08 PM EDT

[#4]

Send this back

www.pcgraffiti.com/PalatineNews.htm

7 killed by 19 year old thrill seekers in the freezer.

Posted: 10/20/2004 4:36:21 PM EDT

[#5]

JSteensen,

That is so outstanding! Born in an ambulance. Man I would be so proud of that. I would get a shirt made up: "I was born in an ambulance and all I got was a slap on the ass and a used blanket."

I bet your mom is a pretty cool lady.

BTW, I was a totally unplanned pregnancy, and proud of it.

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:24:36 PM EDT

[#6]

… "When I seen he only had his hand as a gun, I got mad." At that point, he said he grabbed a hammer and hit the suspect in the head. This is in the employee's
signed statement. …

Question is – did the employee strike the robber in self-defense, or simply because he was mad at him?

If it was the latter, then things are very different.

Still, why did LJS add the gratuitous statement about the risks involved in resisting a robbery if that isn’t the issue?

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:28:36 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:
… "When I seen he only had his hand as a gun, I got mad." At that point, he said he grabbed a hammer and hit the suspect in the head. This is in the employee's
signed statement. …

Question is – did the employee strike the robber in self-defense, or simply because he was mad at him?

If it was the latter, then things are very different.

Still, why did LJS add the gratuitous statement about the risks involved in resisting a robbery if that isn’t the issue?

I've written and read MANY incident reports, and the sentances before and after, which likely would provide justification to the employee's actions, are missing.
Was the employee aware that he was being led to his own murder? Was the employee looking for the robbers to make a mistake so he could prevent his murder?
This story smells like shit more than ever.

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:31:14 PM EDT

[#8]

Mom got married at 16...had me at 17, I was born a month and a half early.

She is most definately one class lady, everyone always hangs out at my house cause my mom doesn't nag (more than she needs to to keep me and me friends straight - hehe.)

Cooler part (kinda creepy): Dad was supposed to get on a airplane the day I was born. He got call just as he was getting ready to board. Came straight to the hospital. Plane was bound for Austin, I think it was. Plane crashed, everyone died

Dad didn't cause I was born.

And yes, when things won't go my way, I hold that over his head.

John

Oh yes... </hijack>

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:35:28 PM EDT

[#9]

The employee here fucked up by saying he struck the guy in anger. Shit, that will get you charged with murder and I guarantee you that statement will show up in any trial against the employee.

Posted: 10/20/2004 5:45:59 PM EDT

[#10]

He should call the "Texas Hammer" and sue their Long John asses.

Posted: 10/20/2004 6:02:24 PM EDT

[#11]

"The vast majority of plane hijacking do not result in loss of life so our policy is not to resist the hi-jackers" I guess someone didn't get the memo that the days of "don't resist and hope for the best" are over.

That stupid thing on the e-mail is meaningless. I have been getting those with fax cover sheets for years, heck Iget one that says that I HAVE to send the fax back in the mail (okay fax me a stamp then..) if it was received improperly, and hte funny thing is it's some alcohol rehab place that keeps sending me random people's alcohol evaluations because they have me confused with another attorney in town.

Posted: 10/20/2004 6:06:55 PM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:
He should call the "Texas Hammer" and sue their Long John asses.

You had to bring him up didn't you.

Posted: 10/20/2004 6:21:47 PM EDT

[#13]

If they are truely concerned about the safety of the employess and customers they would stop serving that greasy crap they call fish.

Posted: 10/21/2004 11:01:03 AM EDT

[#14]

Kick for the Afternoon crew.

Posted: 10/21/2004 11:18:16 AM EDT

[#15]

So LJS is saying their number one concern is the safety of their employees and they want to ensure that safety by not having the employees defend themselves but have the employees comply with the demands of the criminal. What this really shows is that LJS is only concerned about the financial liabilities that will result from the employee defending himself and injuring/killing the criminal.

Posted: 10/21/2004 11:21:24 AM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
So LJS is saying their number one concern is the safety of their employees and they want to ensure that safety by not having the employees defend themselves but have the employees comply with the demands of the criminal. What this really shows is that LJS is only concerned about the financial liabilities that will result from the employee defending himself and injuring/killing the criminal.

No. They are NOW saying that the employee himself said that he wasn't concerned for his or other employee's safety, but that he was 'mad'.

Posted: 10/21/2004 11:26:09 AM EDT

[#17]

Quoted:
The employee here fucked up by saying he struck the guy in anger. Shit, that will get you charged with murder and I guarantee you that statement will show up in any trial against the employee.

"i feared for my life. i don't wish to say anything further until i meet with my lawyer."

Posted: 10/21/2004 11:33:06 AM EDT

[#18]

Quoted:
Quoted:
The employee here fucked up by saying he struck the guy in anger. Shit, that will get you charged with murder and I guarantee you that statement will show up in any trial against the employee.

"i feared for my life. i don't wish to say anything further until i meet with my lawyer."

That's my point exactly, this is what the employee should have said.

I am not questioning his decision to attack the guy, but he screwed himself by saying that particular statement.
If I was Long John Corp. I would terminate him as well. There is a lawsuit coming, and that statement (that he struck in anger) is going to show up.

Posted: 10/21/2004 12:15:08 PM EDT

[#19]

Actually that disclaimer is valid. You take Proprietary or Privileged Information and misuse it. They can take civil action. Might even be open to criminal prosecution. Printing it here wasn' the most brilliant thing you could do

Will they get upset and do something??? Who knows?

Wwhen I get mis-sent faxes I see if it appears to be importaant and if yes I call and tell them they sent it to the wrong place and to take my fax number off their list. Or if I am having a bad day I DON'T call them and let them know it went to the wrong place.

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