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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:41:17 AM EDT
How many times you see the soldier using the mag well as the forward grip? I do the same actually, but I love it when there's a forward pistol grip there.
I realize he'll pribably switch to teh grip for CQB or if he needs his light, but I just think they're funny pics.  ] |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:46:11 AM EDT
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I would hold it like that too if someone put all that shit on my rifle.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:48:07 AM EDT
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Proof that how you train is how you fight.
He probably didn't get a forward grip till recently. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:48:51 AM EDT
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hahahah -good point of balance comment. i always see that add in shotgu nnews with the company that will "texturize" teh front of the magwell of your receiver. I'm an inch away from doing that myself.
Proof that how you train is how you fight +1,000,000 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:50:02 AM EDT
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Yeah, KISS! |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:52:37 AM EDT
[#5]
Mega lowers come from the factory with the texturing machined into mag well
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:52:51 AM EDT
[#6]
+1 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:52:54 AM EDT
[#7]
Actually he'd be more comfortable with that weight if he put his hand on the grip.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:53:51 AM EDT
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USA soldiers have been at the forefront of improvising to facilitate getting jobs done from day 1 of the republic. So why should this be different?
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Posted: 10/5/2004 2:57:08 AM EDT
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+2 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 3:16:53 AM EDT
[#10]
for aimed fire , it a very good hold.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 3:17:29 AM EDT
[#11]
I bet the problem is that he has his forward grip too far forward and it is uncomfortable to use it.
Most likely, he attached it shortly after he picked up the rifle and he either doesn't know how to move it or doesn't have the tools. As for the first one, obviously his light is in the way. 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 3:43:10 AM EDT
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He's boots on the ground.
Far be it from me to criticise his rifle hold. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 3:55:20 AM EDT
[#13]
+1 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:01:12 AM EDT
[#14]
FYI, It doesn'r require any tools to adjust the fore grip.
Yeah, what he said x2 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:05:32 AM EDT
[#15]
One of the manufacturers who make lowers, Mega, I think, comes with a textured gridding on the front of the magwell on their receiver. I don't have hands-on experience with one, just seen the pics. ISTR that it was a larger square pattern. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:07:05 AM EDT
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So where are the funny pics? Works for me.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:08:56 AM EDT
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The farther you move your grip back, the easier to carry the rifle in the ready, the farther forward it is the more taxing it is to keep the weapon up.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:12:11 AM EDT
[#18]
They call it "Gator Grip" |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:13:00 AM EDT
[#19]
I've found myself reverting to a mag hold after a mag change. Don't know why as my last carbine course with Pat Rogers i used a VFG so i would think i should have that programmed by now.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:14:16 AM EDT
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If it were a pic of the IDF, and I said IDF soldier had a "funny grip" THAT would be anti-semitic.   |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:15:36 AM EDT
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FYI, it does require tools for MANY manufacturer's grips. Namely the KAC which I am pretty sure is the issue grip. I don't see what the problem is. We aren't ridiculing the guy for his grip, we are pointing out that he is just going back to what he is accustomed to. Just goes to show that you can't slap something on a rifle and expect a soldier to use it right away. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:26:35 AM EDT
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I used to hold my mag/mag well when live firing at the range, I suspect that I'd do it in combat too. It's really not uncomfortable and was more stable than holding your hand WTF out there on the handguards. JMHO YMMV
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:29:03 AM EDT
[#23]
Are you saying that the KAC vertical grip requires a tool to adjust? Chris |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:40:01 AM EDT
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Sorry, I was wrong. I was thinking about the GGG grip which I am pretty sure has an allen head screw. The KAC does not require tools. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:43:50 AM EDT
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Anyone that can call in aircraft and/or artillery support.
I not gonna criticize. 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:45:02 AM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:48:30 AM EDT
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It's not exactly unprecedented...
home.wanadoo.nl/barebow/barebow/images/25ID_Vietnam_Dusk.jpg ETA - the pic is big 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:50:42 AM EDT
[#28]
+1 Sgatr15 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:54:51 AM EDT
[#29]
where the FUCK did this criticize shit come from. NOT MY ORIGINAL POST. there was ZERO negative here. I thought it humorous - the redundancy of the VFG. I think I made that very very clear. JEEEEEEEEBUZ you flame-starters are NUTS!!!!!
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:56:07 AM EDT
[#30]
Someone is wond a little tight I think.
Sgatr15 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 4:56:15 AM EDT
[#31]
I'm sorry chapped joe -
Could you speak up??? Didn't hear anything after "funny..."  |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 5:29:52 AM EDT
[#32]
Arfkom is really a love/hate thing. I love the site but hate you motherfuckers.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 5:41:05 AM EDT
[#33]
I've seen pics of Romanian troops with AKs and forward grips. They still have their hand around the mag and magwell. I personally do the same thing and think that forward grips are a waste.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 8:22:49 AM EDT
[#34]
You must be from NY. AH HA! I see you are. 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 8:36:27 AM EDT
[#35]
Nothing wrong with switching back and forth from the mag well to a vertical grip. I do it all the time as the situation requires...
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Posted: 10/5/2004 8:55:11 AM EDT
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I still have yet to install a vertical grip on any of my personal weapons. I doubt I ever will. I, too, just pull into the magazine well if necessary.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:02:34 AM EDT
[#37]
+1 Def more stable since you can tuck your arm into your body for support. Esp. if you're doing it all day like these guys are. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:17:51 AM EDT
[#38]
What ever is right. 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:20:57 AM EDT
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There THAT is! AB |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:21:39 AM EDT
[#40]
He helped clear Samarra last weekend.
We all sat around on the internet and debated the "value" of "Shit" on our rifles.... |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:22:48 AM EDT
[#41]
word. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:24:32 AM EDT
[#42]
+3 |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:26:37 AM EDT
[#43]
I agree |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:27:01 AM EDT
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I've often found it's more convienient to move your grip rearward, to right about where the magwell is...
Unless you like keeping your arm stretched all the way out to the muzzle all day... VFGs have their place in controlling FA fire (ala Thompson), but the magwell is far more convenient & provides better support for semi... |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:29:07 AM EDT
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Niiiiccceeeeeee. Being here is a CHOICE. NO ONE is holding a gun to your head. |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:30:06 AM EDT
[#46]
Far be it from me to crticize those guys. God bless em and keep them safe. They also might be trying to avoid switching on their grip activated lights, which could certainly attract someone's attention.
Remember the Alamo, and God Bless Texas... |
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:32:58 AM EDT
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[Sen Feinstein]these guns are meant for spray fire from the hip, that's why they have that handle thingie...and you can do it with just one hand.[/Sen. Feinstein]
Simply put, the criminal population is way ahead of the Army in knowing how to kill. 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:34:36 AM EDT
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BINGO!!! Spoken like a well schooled firearms instructor. Hunter out... edited because my post made no sense without the quote 
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:35:41 AM EDT
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What exactely would the hold be for unaimed fire? And why? Hunter out... edited because I forgot the damn QUOTE again.
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Posted: 10/5/2004 9:36:10 AM EDT
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When I was in, vert grips were not issued outside of special operations units, and even there they were not all that common yet. It was not unusual to hold your rifle in a similar fashion (that grip is similar to the way wyou would hold the rifle firing an M203) while firing from a standing position, IF I were to have been handed a rifle with a vert grip installed, or they came and put one on my rifle, I would not have been likely to use it much either. Are most AD units being issued rifles with these grips prior to deploying? It is likely that these guys are in a unit who got new weapons just prior to deployment and have not yet adjusted to the new configuration.
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