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Posted: 9/2/2004 5:13:47 PM EDT
I have been looking at Sony and Mitsubishi. Are they any good?
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Changing your needs? (well, you asked!) |
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I have a Samsung I am very happy with. I have had it a couple of years and haven't kept up all that much with them since, but when I was looking itno it I also looked at the Mitsubishis and Sonys, but decided that the Samsung was a nicer TV for less money. If it had been a Tube TV I would have went with a Mitsubishi due to past experience with them, but for projection I would buy Samsung again.
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skip the big screen and get a projector and clear a wall! porn 8' X 7' :D
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I had 2 In Focus DLP's interlaced in my home theater and got rid of them in favor of the Sony PFM42. They made the room HOT. Projecoters are over rated. And for a couple grand more you can go plasma. |
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Hm, mine works really well and is way better than any other display i've seen. Dunno what your setup was, but the heat isn't an issue with mine. Pretty damn fun to play Xbox on a 92" screen, or watch movies in that size. Having said that, they do take some legwork to make it work right, so head over to avsforum.com and read up on them. It's cheaper than a high end display and works better if you take the time to learn and do it right. |
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Go here and decide if I need to really hit a consumer vid forum... All DLP projectors inject heat into the room. My plasma non interlaced is superior by all accounts to my 2 interlaced DLP's |
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Did you go to the John Kerry school of self-promotion? Would you say that the gun manufacturers here shouldn't ask anyone else for advice / input? |
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I was told to go hit a consumer vid site. I do broadcast TV for a living. It's almost a funny suggestion. REEELLLAAXXXXXX |
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Quality LCD Projector = as big a screen as you want. Downside is on major sporting event days you won't be able to keep your friends away. Nothing like seeing the players life size.
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Samsung Tantus DLP - Thin, light, best picture (no other 60 inch TV can be lifted by ONE person)
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Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul.
Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. Paul. |
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I need to check out the Panasonic PT50DL54 vs the Samsung.
Anyone seen the PT50DL54???? |
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The DLP's and LCD's(rear projo) are really nice and is what is going to be slowly phasing out the traditional CRT rear projection over the next 1-2 years. DLP's typically have a better contrast ratio, better color, and faster refresh rate(similar to computer monitors). LCD projo's have the same problem that lcd computer monitors have by having a slower refresh rate. Drawback to dlp's and lcd's is that they have a consumable bulb which lasts 7500-10,000 hours. They cost anywhere from 200-450 for a replacement. They are designed to be user-replaceable meaning you can change out the bulb in your own home without any special tools, but you have to be careful to not touch it with your fingers(w/o gloves). Samsung has some really nice DLPs, sony has some nice LCD's. The panasonic 50 and 60" look good. Only thing with them is typically the larger it gets, the more scaling problems will happen to the picture. Look into either the 52" or 62" Mitsubishi DLP's. they have the integrated HDTV tuner, 7 memory card slot for picture slide shows, has the cablecard slot to do away with the digital cable box, netcommand system to control your entire home theater using your tv. Mitsubishi has built a really good name for itself in Rear projection and now DLP. Keep an eye out on the LCOS. Not going to be very cheap at first, but what new technology is. Regardless of which tv you go with, especially if you have cable, make sure it has the cablecard slot. Also check to see if it has DVI or HDMI interfaces so you can plan your components and their connections accordingly. Let me know if you have any questions bout any of this
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IMHO rear projection TVs are still the most bang for the buck for a big screen and I don't think you will go wrong with a Sony. We have a 57 inch Sony and it's been great for us. Incredible picture and no problems whatsoever.
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Can't beat the price for a rear projection set. Really good deal, but there are disadvantages to it as well, but there are disadvantages to everything. With a projo you have a massive Tv, usually dominates a wall all by itself. They can weigh anywhere from 160-350 pounds. Not good if you plan on putting it up/down a set of stairs. Suffer from exterior light comign from windows/bright lights. They don't have as wide of a viewing angle, picture tends to get darker as you go to the sides more. Require a lot of space, typically 3-5 foot tall and 4-6 foot wide and 2-3 foot deep. can have convergence issues with the projectors Dlp's weigh in at 70-140 lbs, 12-18" deep, 3-5 foot wide, 2-4 foot tall and are usually a table top set except for Samsung's new pedestal 50" DLP. no convergence But with costs being a factor, you can't beat the rear projo's. I personally would not buy a plasma. Definately wouldn't recommend a projection(ceiling mount projector) for an everyday tv, now for special occasions (sports and movies) they are awesome. Bulbs in projectors last from 2000-6000 hours and can cost 200-600 for a new bulb. |
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Pioneer
Mitsubishi Hitachi In that order, keep Sony out of the picture, NG! |
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Nonsense. Sony RPTVs are great. |
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What works best for you counts on lots of things. Things that nobody here can tell you ... you have to tell us.
First what is the size of the room? If you're watching plain old NTSC (including your porn and video games) then the law (not suggestion) of 3-5 to 1 comes into effect. The best viewing distance - the sweet spot on size is three to five times the diagnal measurement of the screen. You should be at least 22 feet to 38 feet way from that 92' screen to enjoy it best. Closer than that (assuming you've got 20:20 or better vision) and you'll see artifacts - further away and the eye can't see the picture detail. NTSC was "invented" 60 years ago for antique technology but build around the eye's primary charcheristics - which haven't changed in the last 60 years with the technology. So any who. DLPs' - about 10-12% of the population have eyes that actually see a rainbow effect. Take your wife, kids, and who ever else is going to have to possibly suffer the DLP's effect with you to the TV place to make sure they don't see it. Watch a bit of television and look for an arch of sparkly wrong colors. It can be worse in a darken room. There are LCD and CRT projectors - you're not going to find CRT projectors at consumer prices. You'll dump 250 to 500 watts worth of heat into the room every moment you watch television - that requires removing. Plasmas - ugg. We're have a dozen of them at they're crap. Poor colors, lower resolution, bad contrast, the dump lots of IR heat into the room, burn-in, and damage easy. Bump the front of a plasma and you'll suffer the bruise forever. They burn-in so if you play the same game or watch the same television channel lots the "bug" will burn-in and display as a ghost on other channels. We're having to replace our plasmas every one to two years - we run them 24 hours a day so you do the math. CRT's big, heavy, and oh so beautiful! I have a big house - but no 1200 sq.ft. bathroom - and a 42" set works right - 11 to 15 feet is the distance from my living room pit to the screen (3-5:1). They use 80-140 watts. The color is the best (widest coverage), have the highest contrast ratio (black is black, white it white), high resolution (they're analog so the display isn't limiting like the digital light panels). I have a projector (LCD) that I use to teach with and for the occassional backyard movie theater but the rest of the house is Sony Wega's (bedroom and living room), an XBR in the garage, and one little Toshiba here in the office. High resolution changes things up and I haven't heard a new ratio but it's going to be smaller meaning you can get closer up to the screen without seeing artifacts ... unless you're watching a digital signal like satellite or digital cable. Analog television has about 260 Mb/sec worth of data, digital about 5 Mb or less. That kind of compression doesn't come without extreme artifacts which are always visible to the trained eye. I'm not going to ruin you're enjoyment by teaching you what to look for . High-def digital does look better than low-def. At work I have 19" monitors that cost $15,000.00 and will display every flaw in the signal ... high-def does have fewer artifacts but still to my trained eye, isn't as good as good old analog video (700-800 lines of resolution without artifacts). There are some new rear screen short throw DPL's that have come out that are only like 12" thick. They're better than front screen projectors in that they'll not require super high lumens or a lower room lighting to enjoy - or give better contrast all things being equal. Less lumens = less heat from the lamp. They still suffer the rainbow effect. If you have a bottomless budget I recommend finding an old analog Barco 8100 light cannon. Used you ought to be able to pick one up for the price of a new Corvette. They are a two man lift, require 220 Volt power, but their picture is to die for as they use CRT's to project the image. Bright enough to use in normal office lighting and able to throw a huge screen. They're the type of projectors the big rock bands would tour with to to the video walls. Beautiful. Plasma's are very impressive to your friends and give an acceptable picture. Nothing can produce a picture bigger than a projector. And nothing (yet) can match the quality of a good CRT. Sony sets cost more because they are better. You might not be able to see the difference - or even apreciate the difference - but they do put more into their ciruits. Unless you're going high-def (like DVD) soon try and buy something to hold you over. For the last 60 years we've been using RGB-Y video - red, green, blue, and luminance video. There's been a recent break though and they're developing RGB/CYM televison which does the RGB but also cyan (sky blue), yellow, and magenta (purple) which in theory will open the color triangle about 50% meaning colors will be so much more like real color - think of the leap from black and white to color in difference. The magazines that I use to keep abreast are "Presentations" and "Broadcast Engineering" which has web presences somewhere. Paul SBE CPBE (Society of Broadcast Engineers Certified Profession Broadcast Engineer) |
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From the professional reviews and scientific measurements I've seen performed by third parties DLP's have a smaller color triangle than CRT's and a lower contract (black isn't done well). You can't change the refesh rate of NTSC without first digitizing it, frame buffering, and then clocking it out at a different rate. That's beyond the scope of most consumers at this point. You can buy a pretty nice scan doubler for a $500 but I would recommend a higher quality one. If you're using the projector for data you can increase the refresh rate from the computer if the projector will support anything other than 60 hz. Data projectors will also support higher resolutions - 1024 x 768 being common but in my teaching experence at the UC 800 x 600 is plenty as the students are reading PowerPoint bullets and looking at screen captures and pictures not trying to read a schematic or blue print. The DLP's I've looked at from Infocus, Benq, Sony, Samsung, NEC, and others have had bulbs with lifes less than 3000 hours on economy mode. Watching 8 hours a day (my wife is past that!) the bulb ought to last about 14 months. Figure a dollar a day in bulb burning. Forgot to add that DPL projectors add about 34 dB worth of fan noise into the room lowering the audio signal to noise ratio and dynamic range. The short throw ones less than the exposed ones. |
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Okay?! If you say so! I've had nothing but problems with two Sony big screens, so has a couple of co-workers. There long drawn out stories, so I'll just give you mine. Feb. 2001 bought a 42" Sony from Bestbuy. June 2001, no picture, Sony sends a tech. to my house. Tech comes in, turns TV on and now there is a pic, tech says no problems and leaves. About Dec 2001, no picture again. Call Sony, they send a tech, he turns TV on and the picture come on again. Furious, I tell him there is a problem, fix it! He says he is not allowed to open TV, unless he sees a problem with it first. Feb 2002, no pic AGAIN. Call Sony, they say it's out of warranty by ten days! I call a local guy, he comes, tries to turn on TV and now there is no power at all. Without taking cover off yet, he says he knows exactly what the problem is, I see it all the time with Sony, he said the double-side board has a burnt transistor and they make sh!t solder connection, that will loosen up when the TV heats up. After about an hour, he hands me this "board" with burnt transistor and he said "send that back to Sony and b!tch to get your $340.00 back from the rpair service." He said he also had to resolder most connections. Of coarse Sony refused to pay for the repair. bear3351......go ahead get yourself a Sony. |
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Correct me if I'm wrong but DVDs aren't HD, only progressive scan. We'll have to wait for the blue laser DVDs to get true HD DVDs. |
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Dvd's are not high definition. Dvd's are only 480i or 480p depending on your tv and connections. HD is 720p or 1080i. However, There are DVD players that upconvert the dvd to HD quality though.
sony had a bad run of models for about 1-2 years(1 model each year) with the circuit boards. Can't have a completlely flawless production line. If you would have gotten the performance service plan from Best Buy, it would have been fixed/replaced depending on the severity of the damage and would have only cost bout 200 at that time and it would have covered you for 4 years instead of sony's 1 year. can't hold 1-2 models against a manufacturer, look at how many times car manufacturers have had to issue recalls on cars, etc. |
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What analog format has 700-800 lines? Isn't NTSC 480 interlaced lines? |
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Not only do I say so, I have one. One of my best friends has one as well. |
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For a better detailed look at your options, you should really visit some of the good HT websites:
hometheaterspot hometheaterforum avsforum If you are going with a CRT rear-projection, then go with Hitachi or Mitsubishi. After a year of research on the internet and viewing in stores, I think the Hitachis are your best bet. The Hitachis have a sort of cult-like following because they have great PQ, probably the best contrast, and IMO the most uniform brightness across the screen. Most others - including the highest Mitsubishis and Pioneers - had dark corners, and this did not seem to be a problem with the Hitachis. I went with a Hitachi 51s700 and LOVE it. |
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a buddy just got a mitusbishi 65" not sure which one but it was like 2800 bucks. The picture is awesome- I was never a big fan of rear projection, but this is a beauty. I am a SOny guy myself, but I think i will end up getting one of these...
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I picked up a 55" Mitsu rear projection last year at BB for $1400. At that price, a plasma just didn't hold a candle to it. I had the money for the plasma, I just didn't want to spend it. So, I got the Mistubishi and couldn't be happier. Great picture, not washed out like some projection sets I looked at.
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I bought an AKAI at Sams club. 55" with the HD tuner built in. Seams to be good from what I can tell.
Same set as Samsung makes rebadged. Here's some info I found prior to purchase. www.hdtvoice.com/voice/showthread.php?t=9987 |
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I will warn you though unless its DVD (progressive) or HD the picture will be grainy- he sez he can hardly watch standard TV anymore after that
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The New mitsubishi DLP's are the first that I've seen that have this capability. It gives you independent control over the settings for each input instead of one setting for the entire tv. |
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In your opinion, are these new Mitsubishi models worth looking into? |
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I guess that's why ALL TV studios use Sony. I guess that's why all the shows you watc on your TV were edited on a Sony monitor. Yeah Sony sucks. That's very funny. Sony is the De-facto standard in broadcst television. If your studio or post house has anything else your clients will force you to rent or buy a Sony. |
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Glad you hold Sony in high regard, enjoy your Sony products. ANYTHING(stereo,walkman, VCR, 2 TV's)I bought made by Sony didn't last very long(max 2 yrs) before needing repair or throwing it out, my last straw with Sony was my last TV, no longer will they get my money. If you like Sony, they've been good for you, great, stick with them. I cannot recommend them to anyone. |
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That is well and good for commercial grade equipment, but most people here are buying consumer grade equipment, not studio monitors, and I am sure the studio stuff is a bit more pricey than what you would find at your local Best Buy. |
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YES. DLP TVs have a much better picture that other rear projection TVs. I suggest you look at the Samsung DLP before making a decision. |
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In my opinion: Yes. I have a 55. My brother and friend have 65s and my best friend has a 48. All Mitsubishi. Get it. You wont regret it. Plus I beleive you can get one with no intrest, no payments for a year with Mitsu credit. Don't beleive me? Read the reviews all over the internet. |
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I'm worn out from todays events here and in Russia to defend my position. Fine Sony sucks. You win. Just gonna turn the other cheek instead of defending what is fact. Sorry your Sony gear crapped out. But the fact remains they are the only thing in Broadcast. Shit man, that's got to be worth something. I give up 4 now. |
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