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Posted: 8/18/2004 10:08:01 AM EDT
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What evidence is there that the lady was "stoned."? All I see is that metabolites were found in her blood. Depending on the individual, these may have been present for as long as 90 days since last marijuana ingestion.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 10:50:56 AM EDT
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True. I dont know what Nevada's DUI/Drug law is. I dont know if they have to demonstrate actual impairment, or if a detectable amount of the drug in the body alone meets the elements of the crime. Her driving, specifically pulling out in front of a Code 3 motorcylce cop, sure is indicative of impairment. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:01:32 AM EDT
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He may not ahve been running with sound and lights. If it's a little fender bender and no one is hurt there is no need to run lights and sound. I know around here they don;t always run code to an accident.......... I just bring that up cuz it's not really mentioned in the artical. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:03:06 AM EDT
[#4]
Hmmm.. I thought pot was a harmless, victimless drug.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:11:51 AM EDT
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It is, it's the dumbasses who drive after smoking it that are dangerous. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:17:34 AM EDT
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Even if he was running L&S, it is possible that her not seeing him was not a result of having those metabolites in her system. Sober people pull out in front of marked emergency vehicles running code all the time. On top of that, the landscaping could be a valid issue.
There simply is not enough information here to make a judgement. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:21:27 AM EDT
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Hm, well in Illinois, as in many states, impairment need not be shown in order to prove a DUI case. I guess my point was only that she was no necessarily impaired as a result of marijuana. That having been said, she may very well have been impaired with or without reefer.... we all know plenty of people that make errors in judgment without being impaired...some are worse than others. It is not unfathomable that someone who is willing to risk their health and an unfavorable brush with the law for marijuana consumption is also willing to undertake other risky activities such as beating the officer through the intersection, not looking both ways carefully or whatever it was she did.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:30:36 AM EDT
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I need to think about this over a joint, MAN. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:32:19 AM EDT
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Bushes or no bushes, she was DUI. Lock her up, and when she gets out, she can never drive again.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:59:50 AM EDT
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Would she have been DUI for showing up postive for opiates for eating a poppy seed muffins that day? And yes, Mythbusters proved that eating poppy seed muffins can show a false positve. Marijuana metabolites in the system doesn't prove impairment since they can be in the system for 30 days plus - unless of course there is a way to test at a level and prove that someone is "stoned" at the time of testing that I'm not aware of. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:02:42 PM EDT
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I wonder how many cops get killed by being run over by other drivers over say......
How many a year get killed by a SKS? |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:07:00 PM EDT
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this was my point which was duly ignored |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:14:26 PM EDT
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Sad Story..
 I wonder how many people pull-out infront of vehicles when they are impaired on prescription drugs. MT |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:16:17 PM EDT
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Or talking on a farking cell phone. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:40:42 PM EDT
[#15]
Quoted:
New Trial Sought In Reno Officer's Death ............ Hippie bitch |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:48:18 PM EDT
[#16]
proven fact, more cops die in accidents each year than are killed by an SKS |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 12:48:59 PM EDT
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Lots. Unfortunately most of the time such impairment goes undetected. That lprescription bottle lable that says "Do not operate heavy machinery" or "may cause drowsiness" really means Do not drive! Medicated drivers are a pet peeve of mine. Sorry, but if you're on Narcotic-analgesics, benzo's, or anti anxiety meds your license should be administratively suspended by the DMV for the duration of the prescription. we take licenses from old people and those who suffer epileptic seizures, but we let pill popping zombies continue to drive... |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 5:42:58 PM EDT
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Trying here not to take any side. The seen of the accident Yes it is blocked by a tall row/hedge of vegatation it's been a problem for a long time and blocks view for anyone pulling out on Mill st. (traffic going west to east)from that entry/exit on the street. was Anna Jackson "stoned" at the time? from what I've read in the Reno-Gazzette Journal thats a NO her crime is based on Nevada law that she had Pot in her system to build a case against her and it being a Cop fatality in Reno,NV. the FULL extent of the Law would be used in the trial's against her and property owners to Bring Mike Scofield justice in his decision's in the line of Duty that day his last moments. I only knew Mike Scofieled from bringing his bike in to where I work as a easy going Motor Cop who planned on retiring soon and was planning on enjoying retirement with his family......nuff said but a Tragic loss none the less |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 5:48:57 PM EDT
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you live where there is no bus service.
you have no real family available to be a taxi service for you. it's not convenient for co-workers to come drive you to work, so they outright refuse to do that for you. you make a low wage, barely getting by and can't afford $35 cab fares....each way, to work times 5 days a week. local companies aren't hiring, you have to keep your job that you must commute to. this is how it is for some people. these could be good, hard working people. losing their license because they are on a 'script will cost them their job. the loss of job will cost them their house/apartment, and even the ability to pay for the 'script. now they go on the public funded dole. and, again, impairment isn't even looked at. if you need to take drugs that "could" influence your ability to drive, maybe the answer is to take a one time driving ability test like that which is often mentioned for seniors. if you can drive ok, you're good to go, and only if you fail should you lose your license for the duration of the 'script. remember an important point, there are varying levels of driver ability. there are people who suck at driving, yet do marginally enough to get a license and avoid traffic violations. they suck, yet are legally allowed to drive. a very good driver could be on a prescription drug and be affected so that they drive less well, yet still be a better driver than those that suck all the time. just yanking a license without proving impairment is not the answer, that's why pro se laws suck also, but that was a blackmail issue involving federal highway funds and i'm not going there. ar15fan, no beef with you dude. impaired driving isn't cool. i just wish impairment was proven rather than licenses being yanked summarilly. in this day and age, unless you're in a city, you for the most part just aren't gonna make it without a car. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 6:00:51 PM EDT
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ahhhhhhhhhh, the comforting voice of reason. Now a .23 BAC is a TOTALLY DIFFERENT story. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 6:14:51 PM EDT
[#21]
Damn that's sad. I always hate to hear of any officer getting killed but for some reason the death of a veteran or recent retiree really bothers me. I'm not going out like that. As soon as I'm eligible I'm outta there and ain't coming back. By the time I'm 55 I'll be listening to the breeze blow through palm trees on a beach in Cuba. Assuming that POS Castro is dead of course, if not its Costa Rica. Rest in peace old timer. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 6:24:04 PM EDT
[#22]
None. SKS’s are inanimate objects. |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 6:28:51 PM EDT
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I was in Reno when this happened. If I remember correctly there was a booking photo of her in the paper and she looked completely fucked up.
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:25:19 PM EDT
[#24]
"And another one bites the dust,and another one does, and another one does, and another one bites the dust."
Roy |
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Posted: 8/18/2004 11:55:09 PM EDT
[#25]
OUTSTANDING REPLY! 
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:55:11 AM EDT
[#26]
Stoned or not, you have a duty to enter the roadway when safe. If you can't see you move slowly forward until you can.
As far as mythbusters and opiates showing up for poppy seeds, let me let you in on how any smart company or labe are going to treat pre-employmnet or in service tests. You do the cheap test first, and it is unlikely to pick up seed residue. If anything does in fact clang the clanger on the first test, you go back and do a real expensive gas chromatograph or similar test that gives you extremely accurate and fine detailed results. That test can tell the difference and also the amount. Nobody is going to get rejected or fired over poppy seeds by any company that pays attention to legal advice, they are going to have more than enough evidence to show usage and not the breakfast roll. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 1:16:51 AM EDT
[#27]
Thats impossible! Marijuana cannot impare a persons senses, only alchohol and other drugs can. Everyone knows that! I learned it on and AR15.com thread.
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Posted: 8/19/2004 1:30:04 AM EDT
[#28]
I am a Drug Recognition Expert. DUI enforcment is my expertise in law enforcement.
MJ can and will cause impairment to the effect that you cannot operate a motor vehicle safely. Debate the legality question seperately but it DOES cause impairment. I've seen it more times than I want to. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 12:05:10 PM EDT
[#29]
i think it's pretty obvious that it MJ impairs when a person is stoned. It happens to be traceable for up to 30 days in the system. Are you saying that a person is impaired 30 days after getting stoned?
I'm not defending the woman in anyway - just questioning the line that states she had MJ in her system as if that was conclusive proof that she was intoxicated at the time of the accident. Either way, she's at fault and should bear responsibility for the officers death. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 4:56:21 PM EDT
[#30]
Two facts that the the Newspapers do not mention.
1. Mike Scofield's Bike impact was hard enough to sheer the left front tire/rim and spindle of Anna Jacksons Nissan Pathfinder 2.Inspecting Mike Scofield's Kawasaki KZ 900 it was found that the bike was in Fifth gear in a posted 40mph zone on impact. The impact was hard enough to seperate a Aorta from his heart and despite all efforts at CPR died at scene. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 5:07:46 PM EDT
[#31]
You're an asshole. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 9:47:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Nope, only about 24 hours, that is why we do an evaluation on them that illustrates impairment. There are many on this board that think MJ is harmless and less impairing than alcohol. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 10:20:03 PM EDT
[#33]
24 hours? No way. And MJ isn't "harmless" but it's certainly less impairing than alcohol. I think every study that's been done on driving high has come to that conclusion. Moral of the story is don't get behind the wheel if you're impaired, whether it's from beer or pot or Robotussin or being up too long without sleep. |
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Posted: 8/19/2004 11:03:15 PM EDT
[#34]
Yes way. One of the interesting things about MJ is while the felt effects only last 1-6 hours the metabolites will impair a person up to 24 hours without the euphoria. This is not book stuff. I have seen it and convicted people for DUI even though they had not smoked it in up to 20 hours. They were impaired and could not operate a motor vehicle safely. And it was from the MJ, nothing else. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 4:00:03 AM EDT
[#35]
Smoking one joint impairs you less than one beer? |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 10:36:34 AM EDT
[#36]
Hmm...
1) Clearly mj does impair you in the short term. 2) Repeatable scientific tests show that pilots and other professionals do not perform at peak levels for easily up to 24 hours after mj consumption. For example, an airline pilot would be "off" of a target landing on a simulator more frequently and to a greater degree for quite a long time after ingestion. (24 hours +). 3) The issue of whether that impairment is significant or causally related to an accident is, one would think, a case by case issue of fact. 4) While one joint is likely to mess you up more than one beer, that seems to be an apples an oranges determination. Clearly, any drug that you smoke will get into your bloodstream faster and therefore impair you more quickly. Marijuana impairment, however, does seem to "cap" at a much lower level than alcohol. I don't know anyone who has ever been hospitalized for marijuna poisoning but I know several who have died from acute alcohol intoxication. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 10:44:13 AM EDT
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Hmmmmm... could it be that he assumed that since he was 'doing important cop work', that all the subject citizens would automatically see the bright halo of goodness that surrounded him and traffic would part like the Red sea??? I've had a couple of near misses with cops that had the lights on, but no siren- doing 60+ in a 40mph zone. It's hard to see the lights during the day. The cops assume everyone can see them..... like when they 'direct' traffic by standing in the street and waving a flashlight- perhaps HE knows what he's trying to communicate- I just see a randomly flaing light up ahead. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 10:55:27 AM EDT
[#38]
What's the idea behind motorcycle cops? Are they better for pursuits? Officers personal preference? What's the deal with the bikes? If I was an officer, I'd take a car please!
J |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 11:35:04 AM EDT
[#39]
More maneuverable than a car, quicker acceleration for pursuit & the ability to go places a car can't....like lane splitting thru stalled traffic. More stealth for traffic enforcement. Plus they're cheaper to purchase than a Crown Vic. the HD police bikes have great resale value from being Harleys. the KZ100P is a mature design.....Kawasaki has been making the same model practically unchanged for a long, long while. Harley & Kawasaki overwhelmingly dominate the market, with a few PDs using BMW bikes (OP,KS motorcops use BMW K bikes, some others use the oilhead boxer twins). There might be a few places that use Moto Guzzi bikes, I know Guzzi had a decent sized portion of the PD market back in the '70s. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 11:40:10 AM EDT
[#40]
Great idea that's a lot nicer than what I had thought of. M |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 11:47:41 AM EDT
[#41]
Yes you are correct. Why do you ask? |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 11:49:20 AM EDT
[#42]
Or just being stupid. Should we put them to death too? hmmmm... |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 11:54:15 AM EDT
[#43]
You have had this disscussion before and its VERY clear and proven that you know very little on the subject of use and effects of marijuana. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 12:05:15 PM EDT
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I gotta call bullshit on this title.
It seems that the poster is the only one claiming the driver was DUI. Ever think that the population would respect cops more if the cops were not trying to be so gung-ho on enforcing a bullshit law against a plant???? You guys bring this shitstorm on yourself. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 1:17:09 PM EDT
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Faster response times in cities that suffer grid locked traffic, or have streets to narrow to do a U-turn in a Crown Vic. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 3:21:13 PM EDT
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You say in your MJ induced haze.  No offense but I know what I know from experience not books. I respect your opinion that it should be legal. I just don't agree with it. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 3:41:13 PM EDT
[#47]
1. Mike Scofield's Bike impact was hard enough to sheer the left front tire/rim and spindle of Anna Jacksons Nissan Pathfinder
2.Inspecting Mike Scofield's Kawasaki KZ 900 it was found that the bike was in Fifth gear in a posted 40mph zone on impact. The impact was hard enough to seperate a Aorta from his heart and despite all efforts at CPR died at scene why are these facts not being debated? are they not relavent? if not, why not? sheering a 4 x 4 spindle with a 550 lb. kaw? mass * velocity = force. the bike was zooming. 5th gear? the bike was very likely zooming. torn aorta (i just had a friend, a fellow cyclist killed by a car impacting him while he was cycling...same cause of death) speaks to a high speed/high impact force collision. could it be that both the vehicle operator and the officer are at fault? i'm just speculating here, but if the above accident details are true i would think some of the fault is with his speed. i own and ride motorcycles. i know what hitting a car feels like. |
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Posted: 8/20/2004 4:09:49 PM EDT
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The jury saw those facts and still convicted her. What was the speed limit there? was he lawfully rolling code? Entering the road only when safe to do so includes not pulling out in fromnr of speeding vehicles. When I stop people for entering the road unsafely, "cutting someone off" the most common excuse i get is "but he was speeding".. Sir, is your statement that you knowingly and deliberately entered the roadway in front of a rapidly approaching speeding vehicle? If so let me see that ticket, cause I'm changing the violation to Reckless... |
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Posted: 8/21/2004 11:04:00 AM EDT
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Who told? Roy |
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