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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's the problem with cops.....mindless yes men. It took a BP and his barber to deal with this mess. Cops have to do their job! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Apparently, this was the call of the incident commander. I sure hope his voice mail is full. That's the problem with cops.....mindless yes men. It took a BP and his barber to deal with this mess. Cops have to do their job! Just from reading a few other articles, I believe this agent, off duty, recd a text from school teacher wife, in the school, but another room, and he likely went saw the clusterfuck, ignored requests to stop and put on a critical incident reflective safety vest, and recovered her and brought out some other kids. Meanwhile, while the local school police were taking critical actions such as where to park the mobile command post and fusion center, tables, pop up tents, filling out school property damage reports, and so on, the bortac-ers were looking for anything from a cafeteria spoon, e-tool, or a caterpillar with an excavator bucket to get into that classroom and kill that cocksucker, disregarding the school incident commander telling him, they’re incident commander now. https://www.foxnews.com/us/tactical-team-prevented-from-entering-school-earlier,http://www.foxnews.com/apps-products/index.html Additionally, the officials say that the Uvalde Police Department held the Border Patrol agents back from going inside. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:07:04 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is this true? Just wow! Edit; about the shotgun? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thank God for the BP guy getting a haircut and his barber for having a shotgun for him to borrow. Too bad one of the school staff blocked that door open... Is this true? Just wow! Edit; about the shotgun? It's true, but it was the barber, borrowing the BPs extra long arm. Think about that....a barber went in hot while the cops harassed parents and delayed response. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:09:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2022 4:18:05 PM EDT
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That school should have been awash with armed officers with the singular mission to neutralize the shooter in as expedient and violent method as necessary.
Every officer who stood around "securing the perimeter" provided overwatch for Ramos. How many of the officers had a shotgun or patrol rifle at their disposal? How many had body armor? These are the people who are entrusted to keep our communities safe yet they chose to enable that psycho to execute kindergartners in cold fucking blood. All the while handcuffing and tazing parents. In a just world, every single one would feel the moral obligation to go home and paint the ceiling red with an HST. Each one of them is personally responsible for each and every one of those kids who was shot or bled out after they arrived. I guarantee if those cops would have turned over their weapons to the parents they were so eager or detain, Ramos would have been put down a hell of a lot sooner and the Uvalde cops could have stood outside and pissed their pants like the cowards they are. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:00:51 PM EDT
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After todays news upchuck we know that he came out of the classroom and into the hallway at least once. Where were all of these officers waiting in the hallway. Were they waiting in another building?
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: After todays news upchuck we know that he came out of the classroom and into the hallway at least once. Where were all of these officers waiting in the hallway. Were they waiting in another building? The school went to lockdown, remainder of the school day was canceled…no need for all that pizza in the cafeteria to go to waste. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:05:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They suddenly find their "courage" when they have superior numbers and firepower. Incorrect. They had this. What they lacked was courage. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In before the fucking title edit... Sorry didn't see title. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:06:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cops are cowards. Nothing new here. When one does not act and gets in the way of others who would, person is an accomplice. eta- I am not saying anyone is an accomplice, since the facts have yet to be seen or sorted from the confusion and noise. But making a general statement. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:08:42 PM EDT
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https://imgur.io/k5eeF
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:10:38 PM EDT
[#11]
muh dental plan
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone is just a coward, they won't get in the way of others as they flee or fail to act. When one does not act and gets in the way of others who would, person is an accomplice. I disagree with the first part. Someone who is a coward and knows it (even if only subconsciously) will certainly prevent others from doing what they will not in order to prevent their cowardice from being shown. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:12:26 PM EDT
[#13]
We know...
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:14:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I am ever in a situation like there is an active shooter killing children, i am armed, and do nothing because I freeze in fear, please kill me. I don’t want to live knowing I am that person. No doubt! |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:16:55 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s wild to me that another example of kids getting shot while cops wait outside is being used to justify why I shouldn’t keep a gun to defend my family. -Mike |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:17:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:19:43 PM EDT
[#17]
I'd bet the the "officers" live and stay in/around Uvalde. I'm thinking that they are DEEP underground right now.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:22:07 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your use of the work fuck has offended me. Most places, a fuck at work will get you fired. Well, unless your work is making porn. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot's were fired for 12 minutes. There were 12 minutes of warning. Maybe in those 12 minutes someone could have closed the door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shot's were fired outside school before shooter even entered it. it was the middle of the morning on a week day, they were probably at work There was not. 11:27 a.m.: Video shows that an exterior door to Ross Elementary School that gunman Salvador Ramos entered was propped open by a teacher. 11:28 a.m: Ramos crashes a vehicle near the school into a ditch, gets out and begins firing upon two people who came outside to see the crash near a funeral home. Civilians are not struck by gunfire. The teacher runs to a room to get a phone, returns to the door, and the door remains open. 11:30 a.m.: The first 911 call is made to Uvalde police reporting a car crash and a man with a gun outside the school. 11:30 a.m.: The US Marshals Service says it received a call from a Uvalde police officer requesting assistance. 11:31 a.m.: The shooting suspect reaches the last row of cars in the school parking lot and shooting begins outside of the school. Patrol vehicles reach the funeral home, and a patrol car drives by shooter, who is hunkered down by another vehicle. 11:32 a.m.: The suspect fires at the school. 11:33 a.m.: The suspect enters the school and begins shooting into a classroom. He shot more than 100 rounds. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:31:53 PM EDT
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I am angry that there are those in my profession who would even consider treating an active shooter like a barricaded subject. That goes against current training and best practices for the last 20 years. The fact the guy was the Chief of Police for the school district makes me even angrier.
I know there are cops who aren’t cut out for direct action but I cannot believe that an entire local police department would be full of them. The fact they held up the BP guys is mind blowing. Or that there wasn’t someone willing to disobey the IC when it was the right thing to do. What are they going to do, fire you for going to work and solving the problem? Every situation is unique and this one certainly is but that’s why active shooter training is so simple - no matter what you go until the suspect is dead or in custody. A school full of kids with an armed criminal in it is an active shooter until it’s resolved. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 5:53:37 PM EDT
[#21]
if your children were in that building would let anyone stop you to get to them
righteousness will be yours no matter the outcome |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:01:33 PM EDT
[#22]
Broke dick MF's were in on it. They were willing to pepper spray and taze parents crying for their children's safety while the slaughter was happening. I cant wait for the cell phone videos to get out. Not one for doxing people but in this case I will allow it.
If my grandchild was in that school I would have crossed the blue line. May justice quickly come to those who fought with the parents. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know who the teacher was that propped the door open he used to gain access an why. Every aspect of their lives should be scrutinized , electronic devices taken, bank records,family and associates investigated. Then charged as an accessory |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:06:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That school should have been awash with armed officers with the singular mission to neutralize the shooter in as expedient and violent method as necessary. Every officer who stood around "securing the perimeter" provided overwatch for Ramos. How many of the officers had a shotgun or patrol rifle at their disposal? How many had body armor? These are the people who are entrusted to keep our communities safe yet they chose to enable that psycho to execute kindergartners in cold fucking blood. All the while handcuffing and tazing parents. In a just world, every single one would feel the moral obligation to go home and paint the ceiling red with an HST. Each one of them is personally responsible for each and every one of those kids who was shot or bled out after they arrived. I guarantee if those cops would have turned over their weapons to the parents they were so eager or detain, Ramos would have been put down a hell of a lot sooner and the Uvalde cops could have stood outside and pissed their pants like the cowards they are.  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:16:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot's were fired outside school before shooter even entered it. Where were all the LARPers with their armor, suppressors, and tourniquets? You know, the ones that prepare for shtf because cops aren't there when you need them? The ones that say "this heah stuff don't nevah happen heah in da souf - we won't tolerate it. They skeered". In Texas of all places. Does nobody own a gun in Texas?!? I understand the law pissing around while people died is unacceptable but where are all the people with EDC bags full of garbage they'll never use?!? "Some day someone is going to do something really bad - then it's go time" but children killed over the course of an hour or so apparently isn't one of them. Maybe they were too busy with their happy thoughts convincing themselves that the present is so much better than the past. One of the children could have been saved, they were still alive but lay untreated for over an hour while law enforcement twiddled their thumbs and arrested the parents trying to do something. They died at the hospital. She could have been saved if she got prompt medical treatment. Would the cops standing around have let the “larpers” inside? |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:20:01 PM EDT
[#26]
But but but muh officer safety. Just cause they run around dressed like DEVGRU don’t mean they Operator like em’.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:31:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If what we're hearing is correct some parents even had to go inside the school and rescue their own kids because the cops refused to go in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I agree that the situation was made worse by their inaction. Like I said above I couldn't live with myself if I was as cowardly as they were. If what we're hearing is correct some parents even had to go inside the school and rescue their own kids because the cops refused to go in. In some cases the cops tackled, tazed, and pepper sprayed some of the parents attempting to go in. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:41:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot's were fired for 12 minutes. There were 12 minutes of warning. Maybe in those 12 minutes someone could have closed the door. That’s not in the Common Core manual. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:46:04 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Apparently, this was the call of the incident commander. I sure hope his voice mail is full. At least the fucking bureaucrats got to do some bureaucrating!!!! I am trained in NIMS and so is my team at work. An active shooter in a school full of children is the LAST POSSIBLE FUCKING PLACE that activating a NIMS framework is appropriate. Instead of showing up and activating an "incident command", that "incident commander" should have gotten DIRECTLY INTO THE NEXT STACK attempting to breach and kill the fucking shooter. Rinse and repeat as necessary! For fuck's mother fucking fuck fuck! |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:47:24 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know who the teacher was that propped the door open he used to gain access an why. Every aspect of their lives should be scrutinized , electronic devices taken, bank records,family and associates investigated. Then charged as an accessory FACTS. I'm sure Top Men will get right on that! |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:50:09 PM EDT
[#31]
"Attempting to breach the door without a ballistic shield would have resulted in certain death for the officers and provides the shooter with the officers’ weapons and ammunition. There is also the possibility that the shooter could have taken communications gear off of the officers’ bodies, thereby giving the shooter the ability to listen in real time on police response plans."
Coulda/possibly/shoulda/mighta. The shooter "could have taken communication" and could listen in on police response plans? Are you kidding me? And done what with that wisdom? Make things worse? In that snippet of that Breitbart article above they also reference the shooters "defensive tactics." Is that really all it takes to foil dozens, or maybe hundreds of LE, a sick 18yo loser with a rifle he just bought? Yeah, all of those things that could have happened but didn't really happen are cold comfort for families dealing what really did happen. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:52:39 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Another thread on here said he was 40 miles away having lunch and heard the call on the radio and headed to Uvalde Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Thank God for the BP guy getting a haircut and his barber for having a shotgun for him to borrow. Too bad one of the school staff blocked that door open... Is this true? Just wow! Edit; about the shotgun? Another thread on here said he was 40 miles away having lunch and heard the call on the radio and headed to Uvalde That was the BORTAC officer. He drove 40 miles, grabbed a shield and a couple guys and said "fuck this shit, we're going right now!" The other guy, the guy who was getting a hair cut and borrowed the shotgun - he grabbed a couple other folks, breached the perimeter somewhere else, and started clearing classrooms and evacuating kids and teachers. While he was doing that, the BORTAC guy showed up and nutted up where the gunman was holed up. Meanwhile, the rest of local PD, Sheriff's Deputies, and DPS SWAT were apparently assigning sectors of responsibility, defining the chain of command, and setting up a media rep and FEMA coolers of ice and soft drinks..... Where is John in Austin to defend this shit and bag on the parents for disobeying the cops? Oh, that's right, I've had him on ignore for almost A DECADE.......... |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:54:08 PM EDT
[#33]
Must be a good dental plan.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:54:14 PM EDT
[#34]
I thought door rams were kind of standard equipment for a patrol car? Seems insane they waited for keys. Jesus Christ.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:58:15 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Must be a good dental plan. Full retirement after 20 years, instead of 60% at 30 like most of us working stiffs. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 6:58:57 PM EDT
[#36]
I want to see the FOPA issue a definitive position statement to it's members and the public on this.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:00:20 PM EDT
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Not law enforcemnt, but OIF/OEF vetran.
Why didnt they simply send some guys around to the side of the classroom with windows and shoot through the glass? If nothing else you would want to send some one over to that side with a radio to tell you what was going on or to prevent escape/reinforcment. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:01:34 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Attempting to breach the door without a ballistic shield would have resulted in certain death for the officers and provides the shooter with the officers’ weapons and ammunition. There is also the possibility that the shooter could have taken communications gear off of the officers’ bodies, thereby giving the shooter the ability to listen in real time on police response plans." Coulda/possibly/shoulda/mighta. The shooter "could have taken communication" and could listen in on police response plans? Are you kidding me? And done what with that wisdom? Make things worse? In that snippet of that Breitbart article above they also reference the shooters "defensive tactics." Is that really all it takes to foil dozens, or maybe hundreds of LE, a sick 18yo loser with a rifle he just bought? Yeah, all of those things that could have happened but didn't really happen are cold comfort for families dealing what really did happen. Don’t forget that kid had probably never fired a gun before that day |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:02:30 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: if your children were in that building would let anyone stop you to get to them righteousness will be yours no matter the outcome No and I wouldn’t hesitate for a second to remove the threat standing in the way of saving my kids and as many others as I could. I’d likely die but that’s the man thing to do. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:12:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Attempting to breach the door without a ballistic shield would have resulted in certain death for the officers and provides the shooter with the officers' weapons and ammunition. There is also the possibility that the shooter could have taken communications gear off of the officers' bodies, thereby giving the shooter the ability to listen in real time on police response plans." Coulda/possibly/shoulda/mighta. The shooter "could have taken communication" and could listen in on police response plans? Are you kidding me? And done what with that wisdom? Make things worse? In that snippet of that Breitbart article above they also reference the shooters "defensive tactics." Is that really all it takes to foil dozens, or maybe hundreds of LE, a sick 18yo loser with a rifle he just bought? Yeah, all of those things that could have happened but didn't really happen are cold comfort for families dealing what really did happen. They entered the room using freakin KEYS. Zero violence of action used for the door breech and entry. If they can't even get that right, I don't care to listen to their bs about needing shields and shit. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:15:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Were there windows to the classroom he was "barricaded" in?
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Posted: 5/27/2022 7:49:24 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For fuck's mother fucking fuck fuck! On this we agree. May Chief Arredondo burn brightly in the hot place. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:06:49 PM EDT
[#43]
He was apparently moving between two rooms. Fake a breach on one, when he move breach the other, when he moves engage breach the other door.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:10:31 PM EDT
[#44]
this is not the first time cowards have waited while children were slaughtered, we need to put the weapons in the hands of the defenders, not attackers or counter attackers, allow all staff to carry without arduous amounts of training.
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:31:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: From a Breitbart article: Link If that is not a post hoc rationalization from a bureaucrat, I don't know what it is. Everybody wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: From a Breitbart article: Multiple law enforcement sources revealed to Breitbart Texas that part of the delay in stopping the barricaded elementary school shooter hinged on a deadly mix of the shooter’s defensive tactics and the lack of needed tactical gear. Specifically, officers lacked the ballistic shield needed to enter the classroom with the barricaded shooter. Attempting to breach the door without a ballistic shield would have resulted in certain death for the officers and provides the shooter with the officers’ weapons and ammunition. There is also the possibility that the shooter could have taken communications gear off of the officers’ bodies, thereby giving the shooter the ability to listen in real time on police response plans. Link If that is not a post hoc rationalization from a bureaucrat, I don't know what it is. Everybody wants to be a gangster until it's time to do gangster shit. HE COULD HAVE GOTTEN THEIR RADIOS GUYS. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:32:15 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to know who the teacher was that propped the door open he used to gain access an why. Every aspect of their lives should be scrutinized , electronic devices taken, bank records,family and associates investigated. Then charged as an accessory That's normal shit that happens all the time. It was basically 1 in a million that it led to the shooter being able to get in the building. Horrible, awful, and the teacher will have to live with it forever, but nowhere nears as inexcusable as the cops setting up a perimeter to allow the shooter to kill at will, and refusing to let anyone else go in. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:36:43 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But sally needs braces. Dental plan>kids in school being executed More like his ex-wife needs alimony payments. Sally probably doesn't speak to him anymore. |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:39:10 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Were there windows to the classroom he was "barricaded" in? Yes, part way down in the article there is a diagram. https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/uvalde-texas-school-shooting |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:40:13 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote Historythis fuck those guys |
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Posted: 5/27/2022 9:47:53 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shot's were fired for 12 minutes. There were 12 minutes of warning. Maybe in those 12 minutes someone could have closed the door. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Shot's were fired outside school before shooter even entered it. it was the middle of the morning on a week day, they were probably at work They're heroes, and can't be expected to use common sense, like shutting a fucking door with 10 minute warning. 
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