As far as I'm tracking the only hellfire's Ukraine's gotten is 160 from Norway very recently. We aren't sending them.

No.  My friends have sent me videos, that they've taken, of truckloads of smuggled immigrants (human trafficking) that were caught.  Also videos of immigrants causing all sorts of nonsense at the border fence.
The Hungarians just need to festoon the border fence with "decorations" like Vlad Tepes did with his "immigrants".

As I said since the fucken beginning of this thread. Hungary would dump Russia easily if Hungary got access to a better deal on the Paks II station.

The EU for almost 16 years has been asking and forcing and nudging Hungary to stop the nuclear power plant and shut it down and go buy gas on the open market.

Hungary has refused.

Ukraine isn't so fucken innocent again also with the forced language shit they passed.

I'd rather that Ukraine and Hungary are friends and I'd rather that Hungary gets a better deal on nuclear terms for the plants. Poland signed a deal with South Korea also.

https://www.politico.eu/article/poland-ramps-up-nuclear-expansion-commissions-south-korea-for-four-new-reactors/

Hungary getting butt fucked with dumb alliances is because all of the previous politicians cared was for Hungary and nothing else. Horthy got Vienna awards I and II and Hitler asked him to join in Barbarossa and what happened?

The foreign minister Count Teleki committed suicide because he didn't know what to do.

Also, Russia bombed Kassa and that was the prelude for Hungary joining the war. But we still don't know who actually did it.

Stalin and Molotov asked Hungary to stay out of the war and they even returned the battle flags they captured from 1848 back to Hungary. They even said they will honor Vienna I and II and then Kassa bombing happened.

In the end, as a Hungarian myself, I want Hungary to be involved and help Ukraine fuck up Russia and we shove and burn that whole fucken plant to the ground but nobody has Paks I parts except for the Orcs.

I've watched the negotiations constantly on the replacement and that is Hungary's future but now that Hungary signed Paks II with the Orcs...and why??

ZERO INTEREST loan on it and it was better terms than what the French, Americans and others were offering but those offerings was because of the hand twisting from the EU and their anti nuclear stance.

I'm not changing my stance on it but here is the TLDR.

- Hungary has NO TERRITORIAL ambitions with the Ukraine, it is all about the Nuclear power plant and Paks I is scheduled to be shut down in 2030 and then HUNGARY is fucked with no independent power.
Until Hungary gets a better term and better conditions to break the RusAtom contract, Hungary is gonna remain neutral sadly.

It's all about that stupid fucken power plant and their EU.

It's political football.. nothing else.

ISW assessment for November 23rd.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-november-23

I think you missed the point of my post. Cessna A-37 Dragonflies in a drone role could be built cheap and be very effective for trench warfare.

As a Rapid Dragon fan

More drone dogfighting:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/z2yr6r/a_ukrainian_drone_knocking_down_a_russian_drone/

A pretty terrifying view of those Russian incendiary munitions landing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/z30jut/drone_footage_of_russian_incendinary_munition/

Got ahold of a piece of a Kalibr cruise missile:

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So many similarities between what he says and what we hear here.

They'd get shot down almost immediately. What makes drones survivable is that they're either hard to detect or they're flying so high that the air defense systems that can hit them are more concerned with other targets. Something the size of an A37 is huge in low altitude drone terms so unless you're going to give them some sort of standoff capability they're going to get gunned down by short range air defense with a quickness. There's off the shelf options that can get the desired effects cheaper than building a new UAS system, associated ground control system, training program, and maintenance program. Unless you really just want to see a trench strafed from the air with a machinegun, which isn't all that effective. HE isn't even really all that effective. Thermobarics and smoke are what you want.

No, he’s saying most European conflicts were based on tribes then nations staking out territory and clearing hostile tribes/nationals from said clay so their people had adequate food. He goes on to say Americans can’t understand that because in those times there was more than enough land here for ambitious men with the means to claim and hold it so we never experienced those pressures.

There is some truth to it, but it’s far from perfect even if you don’t bring up the Indian tribes, some very sophisticated, living here when the colonists arrived.

This thread has more rabbit holes than the Somme.

You should hear how much the KC-46 crews hate that plane and it’s failures haven’t exactly endeared Boeing to the USAF.

That's backwards.

In places like North America, Africa, places where agriculture was not mastered, you would see small tribes fighting each other. Small tribes because due to lack of agriculture there weren't that many, and hunter/gatherers woke up in the morning hustling to fish or hunt or whatever to survive. And teh lack of agriculture was the cause of low population density, which helped the Euro nations, mostly the Brits, conquer them so easily.

In Europe agriculture was better then everywhere other then maybe Asia.  When you have efficient agriculture everybody isn't hustling for sustenance. You have spare mouths to feed, like physicists, scientists, musicians, philosophers, printing press manufacturers, monks, knights, men-at-arms, soldiers, mercenaries, artillerymen, sailors, inventors. Whatever.  None of these people existed in the parts of the world where agriculture didnt exist. You need efficient food production for these loafers to get up in the morning and not be hunting or fishing or gathering.  Galileo and Socrates and Richard the Lionheart didn't run around hunting deer or buffalo or building beaver traps.

The Grande Armee of Napoleon could march across the Central European Plain and forage and live off the land because there was food all over the place because farmers were more efficient there then anywhere else in the world.  1/100 a similar number of Iroquois couldn't do that.  

European War saw a large number of very large armies with professional soldiers duking it out in a very small space because of advanced agriculture, not in spite of it.

Plentiful food in Europe resulted in big armies that fought for all sorts of reasons, pride, Royal reasons, God, this kingdom. that kingdom, the Pope said so, Moors coming over the wall, whatever.... but food was not one of them.  Fighting for a watering hole or good hunting ground is North American Amerindian warfare where lack of food meant starvation and annihilation.  Apples/oranges.

You cant have a professional military class that trains all day, and guys that make armor and weapons, and big mass armies without plentiful, advanced agriculture.   If you don't have it, you have tribes of hunter/gatherers who use their dual use hunter skills on each other.  
The largest Napoleonic battle was Leipzig, in 1813. Half a million men fought there.  Big-ass army for a bunch of nations running out of food. The largest Indian Army in North America was Little Big Horn.  1/250 that.  The Zulus of the 1870s could generate maybe 30-40k.

KC-46

Prigozhin sent the European Parliament a sledgehammer in a violin case with an engraved logo of"Wagner" and traces of "blood" on the handle.

This is the Putin's world, that Ukrainians are fighting alone, giving their lives to stop. pic.twitter.com/crVqd7Uhon

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51 Cruise missiles.

Maybe. But not because of a few people's misguided opinions on mythical Keizer Soze Hungarian "organized crime" rings. EVERY country in E. Europe has smugglers. It was a way to survive back in the commie days.

Hungary has always been stuck between corrupt Germany and corrupt Russia. The EU greens have been hampering Hungary's efforts to build nuke plants while Russia has offered to help. It's a complicated corrupt mess but Hungary is just a very tiny player in this game. If we kick Hungary out of NATO then Germany DEFINATELY must go too for funding the Russian military for the past decade.

Thanks Jozsi.

At least we haven't argued over 5.45 .vs 5.56 yet...

At least we haven't argued over 5.45 .vs 5.56 yet...

That sledge should have been engraved with "we are primitive gangsters and you really must destroy us"...

About as much as they hated the kc-46 when they first flew it, lol.

A small start-up small arms ammo loading equipment manufacturer in Southern US has been to Ukraine at least a few times setting up their state of the art equipment.

There's a saying on Wall Street that the market can stay irrational longer than the individual investor can stay solvent.  Russia seems to be a parallel, weirdly self induced.

Strangely cut video.   May be a Russian suicide with a drone drop for good measure.

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Oryx  (@oryxspioenkop) November 23, 2022

Weird.

Can you come homeschool my kid in about 5 years?

Seriously. Halfway thru reading this it saddened me it’ll be an uphill battle to get a new human to understand like that.

Anyway, Happy thanksgiving all!

Pass some excedrine please

PSA?

Pretty widely being reported that way. Pretty good news. A bad day for Wagner is a good day for Bakhmut.

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