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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:51:58 PM EDT
Looking for a daily driver that will keep the miles off my truck and get better gas mileage. And to hedge of any potential price increases. Basically any bad economic effect that FJB could have.
Have basically ruled out any of the sedans. Don't want the smallest SUV, but not too big either Not looking for sporty or performance Got to have power seat and tailgate. Choices: Toyota Rav4 Honda CRV Ford Escape Kia? Don't know which model fits Others?? Not considering any GM or Nissan product. Or really anything outside the $30k price range. Have looked at the first 3, and they fit Don't know if there are any real plus/minus to any particular one, but I do like the Ford best so far. I have had a Rav4 and it seems solid. Doesn't the Honda have something weird with the engine or transmission? Any known problems with the Escape? Ecoboost model Do what GD does best, offer opinions and hate everything!  |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:55:42 PM EDT
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My mother is on her second Ford Escape. It’s treated her well.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:57:08 PM EDT
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RAV4 is the best... but If its a something to get good mileage and keep miles of your truck you might just want to get a used Escape (previous generation was pretty reliable)
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:57:46 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2021 9:58:09 PM EDT
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Toyota 4 Runner
Good used Jeep if that is your thing I'd avoid the SUVs that are unibody design and look for body on frame. Thats may be a big ask these days in small SUV market though. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Toyota 4 Runner Good used Jeep if that is your thing I'd avoid the SUVs that are unibody design and look for body on frame. Thats may be a big ask these days in small SUV market though. I guess for a true SUV, you are correct, but I am looking for economy in both purchase price and mileage. This is not a pleasure vehicle. A new 4Runner nor Jeep fit that bill. Plus, I have had a Jeep and will not have another |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:08:07 PM EDT
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X3 M
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:08:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got an extra Vehicross I'm not using  https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423847/20210110_180210_jpg-1782732.JPG Do I have to get a Una-brow to own that!?!?!?!? Looks fun, but as I posted above, this is a utilitarian vehicle, not pleasure. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:08:57 PM EDT
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Prius serious
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:10:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've got an extra Vehicross I'm not using https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/423847/20210110_180210_jpg-1782732.JPG Bro, that is beyond cool looking.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:11:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: X3 M I am not up on German models, but I assume that is the BMW. Hard pass on German maintenance. No BMW, Mercedes, or even VW. Besides, I doubt their price range falls inside my upper end |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:11:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:11:52 PM EDT
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Porsche Macan GT
You're welcome. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:13:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bro, that is beyond cool looking. That's all it has going for it at the moment. She currently only has one forward gear 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Porsche Macan GT You're welcome. I like your style!!  But, no. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:14:07 PM EDT
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I am a ford fan, but DO NOT buy a escape. They are constantly in for trans, rear diff and turbo related oil leaks.
Rav-4 CRV (Know you said No Nissan but...) 2016+ Rogue (They are solid) |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:14:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like your style!! But, no. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Porsche Macan GT You're welcome. I like your style!! But, no.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:15:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @LittlePony I didn't think about him. Foolish of me to type Kia and not consider his opinion. I have been looking at the Kia website. I can't tell if Kia's have an available power tailgate. Please offer your input LP |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:16:19 PM EDT
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You want a Rav4
Get a Rav4 |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:17:16 PM EDT
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My daily driver is a 14 RAV4 that I like a lot. It’s AWD and has done great with the little snow that we get. Not a ton of storage space but plenty for what I usually need. My moms newer Escape has been in the shop multiple times.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:17:29 PM EDT
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For what it's worth my wife likes her rav-4. Good crash ratings, awd in case it snows.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:17:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess for a true SUV, you are correct, but I am looking for economy in both purchase price and mileage. This is not a pleasure vehicle. A new 4Runner nor Jeep fit that bill. Plus, I have had a Jeep and will not have another Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Toyota 4 Runner Good used Jeep if that is your thing I'd avoid the SUVs that are unibody design and look for body on frame. Thats may be a big ask these days in small SUV market though. I guess for a true SUV, you are correct, but I am looking for economy in both purchase price and mileage. This is not a pleasure vehicle. A new 4Runner nor Jeep fit that bill. Plus, I have had a Jeep and will not have another Of the models listed I would get the RAV4 then. What about a Subaru Outback or Forester (used)? I generally agree on Jeeps... I have a 4 cylinder TJ that I rarely drive and should probably sell. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:19:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a ford fan, but DO NOT buy a escape. They are constantly in for trans, rear diff and turbo related oil leaks. Rav-4 CRV (Know you said No Nissan but...) 2016+ Rogue (They are solid) This is the criticism I am interested in. When you say rear diff, I assume you mean in AWD versions. I have no need for AWD. What is the deal with the transmission and turbo problems. Design or assembly issues? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:19:29 PM EDT
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Quoted: Looking for a daily driver that will keep the miles off my truck and get better gas mileage. And to hedge of any potential price increases. Basically any bad economic effect that FJB could have. Have basically ruled out any of the sedans. Don't want the smallest SUV, but not too big either Not looking for sporty or performance Got to have power seat and tailgate. Choices: Toyota Rav4 Honda CRV Ford Escape Kia? Don't know which model fits Others?? Not considering any GM or Nissan product. Or really anything outside the $30k price range. Have looked at the first 3, and they fit Don't know if there are any real plus/minus to any particular one, but I do like the Ford best so far. I have had a Rav4 and it seems solid. Doesn't the Honda have something weird with the engine or transmission? Any known problems with the Escape? Ecoboost model Do what GD does best, offer opinions and hate everything! Sportage is the Kia that fits, if you need a power tailgate then the EX trim is what you want, which are around 27.5K at that trim  @lizARdman15 here is some of the option list of an EX trim, EX is our mid grade trim for most of our products Front Grille, Gloss Black & Bright Chrome Door Handles, Half Chrome (w/ Smart Key) Smart Welcome Smart Power Liftgate™ Windshield Wiper De-Icer 18-inch Alloy Wheels, Machine Finish USB 2.1 Rear Charging Port Power Windows w/ Driver One-Touch Auto-Up/Down Smart Key w/ Push-Button Start and Immobilizer Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control Dual Illuminated Sun Visor Vanity Mirrors 10-Way Power-Adjustable Driver's Seat w/ 2-Way Power Lumbar Support Adjustment Heated Front Seats Leather-Wrapped Gearshift Knob Piano Black Interior Trim |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:19:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want a Rav4 Get a Rav4 Yep. Hybrid. Don’t knock hybrid drive trains. They’ve come a long way and actually drive better, the gas mileage is just a bonus. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:20:29 PM EDT
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Subaru crosstrek or forester
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:22:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Hybrid. Don’t knock hybrid drive trains. They’ve come a long way and actually drive better, the gas mileage is just a bonus. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You want a Rav4 Get a Rav4 Yep. Hybrid. Don’t knock hybrid drive trains. They’ve come a long way and actually drive better, the gas mileage is just a bonus. Too bad he's not interested in sporty. He could get a Rav4 Prime and have the fastest Toyota they make |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My daily driver is a 14 RAV4 that I like a lot. It’s AWD and has done great with the little snow that we get. Not a ton of storage space but plenty for what I usually need. My moms newer Escape has been in the shop multiple times. The interior storage in the Rav4 is my primary reason for looking at other manufacturers. I have a '15 Rav that has been great except for that, but my oldest kid is getting it. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:23:41 PM EDT
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Take a look at the surbru outback. For a commuter suv type. I think you get a lot more bang for the buck. The Rav 4 isn’t bad.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:26:04 PM EDT
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Never had or even drove anything hybrid.
I know nothing about their long term costs or maintenance issues. I keep most vehicles more than 5 years and over k miles |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:28:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sportage is the Kia that fits, if you need a power tailgate then the EX trim is what you want, which are around 27.5K at that trim https://images.wheels.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Guillaume-Fournier-Photographe-2132-scaled.jpg @lizARdman15 here is some of the option list of an EX trim, EX is our mid grade trim for most of our products Front Grille, Gloss Black & Bright Chrome Door Handles, Half Chrome (w/ Smart Key) Smart Welcome Smart Power Liftgate™ Windshield Wiper De-Icer 18-inch Alloy Wheels, Machine Finish USB 2.1 Rear Charging Port Power Windows w/ Driver One-Touch Auto-Up/Down Smart Key w/ Push-Button Start and Immobilizer Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control Dual Illuminated Sun Visor Vanity Mirrors 10-Way Power-Adjustable Driver's Seat w/ 2-Way Power Lumbar Support Adjustment Heated Front Seats Leather-Wrapped Gearshift Knob Piano Black Interior Trim what engine does the sportage come with? is it reliable? any issues? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The interior storage in the Rav4 is my primary reason for looking at other manufacturers. I have a '15 Rav that has been great except for that, but my oldest kid is getting it. I know you said no VW, but their Tiguan is like a mini Atlas. They are cheap, new. Our family car is an Atlas and it has been great. 10k service intervals, good technology, pretty solid. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:29:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the criticism I am interested in. When you say rear diff, I assume you mean in AWD versions. I have no need for AWD. What is the deal with the transmission and turbo problems. Design or assembly issues? Rear diff's make noise and the modules go out and yes on the AWD. Transmissions start acting and shifting wierd, clutches toast. Also had a couple that had a internal bearing on the passenger side go out. (It is not the electronic manual pos the focus has for a trans) Turbo oil lines leak at the turbo. And the line tends to leak at the soft/hard line junction. Gaskets are a piece of crappy paper. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:29:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Take a look at the surbru outback. For a commuter suv type. I think you get a lot more bang for the buck. The Rav 4 isn’t bad. Will I turn gay if I drive a Subaru? Asking for a friend. J/K!!! I know they are great cars and I hadn't considered them. Not sure if they fit the price range or are as easy on maintenance as the ones mentioned |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:30:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: what engine does the sportage come with? is it reliable? any issues? after 18 its been fine it has the Accursed theta 2 but as i said after 18 its been fine. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know you said no VW, but their Tiguan is like a mini Atlas. They are cheap, new. Our family car is an Atlas and it has been great. 10k service intervals, good technology, pretty solid. They are both great looking vehicles IMO. I don't know anything about them. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sportage is the Kia that fits, if you need a power tailgate then the EX trim is what you want, which are around 27.5K at that trim https://images.wheels.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/Guillaume-Fournier-Photographe-2132-scaled.jpg @lizARdman15 here is some of the option list of an EX trim, EX is our mid grade trim for most of our products Front Grille, Gloss Black & Bright Chrome Door Handles, Half Chrome (w/ Smart Key) Smart Welcome Smart Power Liftgate™ Windshield Wiper De-Icer 18-inch Alloy Wheels, Machine Finish USB 2.1 Rear Charging Port Power Windows w/ Driver One-Touch Auto-Up/Down Smart Key w/ Push-Button Start and Immobilizer Dual-Zone Automatic Climate Control Dual Illuminated Sun Visor Vanity Mirrors 10-Way Power-Adjustable Driver's Seat w/ 2-Way Power Lumbar Support Adjustment Heated Front Seats Leather-Wrapped Gearshift Knob Piano Black Interior Trim Thanks @LittlePony. You probably have sold more Kias than any in sales. It matches a lot of my requirements. Am I understanding that the only way to actually keep the long warranty period is that it is mandatory to do all service at the dealer. Correct? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never had or even drove anything hybrid. I know nothing about their long term costs or maintenance issues. I keep most vehicles more than 5 years and over k miles Drive a rav4 hybrid compared to normal. You’ll be sold in a heartbeat. I thought it was just greenie bullshit till I drove one. The drivetrain is that much better. Or Lexus NX |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:34:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks @LittlePony. You probably have sold more Kias than any in sales. It matches a lot of my requirements. Am I understanding that the only way to actually keep the long warranty period is that it is mandatory to do all service at the dealer. Correct? thats incorrect just make sure to keep all your receipts in a manila folder for a rainy day |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:34:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are both great looking vehicles IMO. I don't know anything about them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know you said no VW, but their Tiguan is like a mini Atlas. They are cheap, new. Our family car is an Atlas and it has been great. 10k service intervals, good technology, pretty solid. They are both great looking vehicles IMO. I don't know anything about them. $25k Horsepower: 184 hp MPG: Up to 23 city / 29 highway You could get an off lease model for 15-19k easy. But, that's the same price as a Rav4, and the Toyota has a bit more HP. What about Mazda CX-5? Same price point. People love them. They do look good... |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:37:03 PM EDT
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I have an Escape for work.
It’s bland, and unexciting. But it does what it’s supposed t9 do. We have an RDX, which has been great.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:37:32 PM EDT
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Bronco Sport.
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:38:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bronco Sport. the waiting list for that make a telluride blush its over a year now, not joking. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:40:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: thats incorrect just make sure to keep all your receipts in a manila folder for a rainy day I figured that was just some dealer talk to scare you into not trying the Kia. Do you think there is any incentive to buy one now instead of waiting closer to summer? You really are a great resource on this site. Thanks again |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have an Escape for work. It's bland, and unexciting. But it does what it's supposed t9 do. We have an RDX, which has been great. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/287916/825F95C0-D320-4124-9188-4DD7F8AD5B05_jpe-1782840.JPG Think i said it before - that's hawt IMO. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:42:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You want a Rav4 Get a Rav4 The RAV4 hybrid XSE gets ridiculous gas mileage and is actually somewhat capable offroad.  We Take The 2019 Toyota RAV4 Hybrid To The LIMIT Off-Road Deep In The Mountains |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:42:29 PM EDT
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Bronco sport or Japanese made RAV4
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:44:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured that was just some dealer talk to scare you into not trying the Kia. Do you think there is any incentive to buy one now instead of waiting closer to summer? You really are a great resource on this site. Thanks again considering this is the last model year of this generation if you wait until spring or so when the all new 2022 you can get a good clearance deal, might be able to get a grand off a left over 2021, will they have a EX trim left is the question, because they tend to only make the low end LX or LX-S trims the last few months of the production model year its also a sportage, our mainline bread and butter seller, in other words the model we sell the most off, there is always some sort of dealer or manufacturer deal going on. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:45:58 PM EDT
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Mercedes G wagon
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:46:27 PM EDT
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Ive put an alternator and set of brakes on our 8 year old CRV. 120k.
Its boring AF and the seats kinda suck. Been a reliable box to get from point A to B though. Thats all I got 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:48:06 PM EDT
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Subaru Forester or Outback.
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