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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:30:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGT-Fish: This is a good sign that we won't be sitting around all day (or 2 days) waiting for Starship Number 9 to launch like we did with SN8. Though it did cost them 4 million dollars in engjnes... Still cheaper than the refurbished RS-25s on SLS that are going to get thrown in the ocean |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:34:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Blue Origin still can't hit the bullseye with several seconds of hovering capability and over a dozen flights and they want to land their NG boosters on a moving boat.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErtY3pKXIAAsdeL?format=jpg&name=small Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By Chairborne: Catching up to SpaceX any day now.  Blue Origin still can't hit the bullseye with several seconds of hovering capability and over a dozen flights and they want to land their NG boosters on a moving boat.... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErtY3pKXIAAsdeL?format=jpg&name=small I'm hoping to see the cost of a seat come way down. $250,000 is a little steep for me at the moment. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 8:40:27 AM EDT
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Click date for video
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:18:24 AM EDT
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Think it's the lack of flame trench causing the damage?
That's awesome they can rival a Nascar pit crew in time it takes to swap an engine!! 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:34:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: Click date for video
So that's what that is ! Heh , been trying to figure that out for a while. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGT-Fish: This is a good sign that we won't be sitting around all day (or 2 days) waiting for Starship Number 9 to launch like we did with SN8. Though it did cost them 4 million dollars in engjnes... The fact that they can build an engine like Raptor for ~$2 million is amazing in itself. ULA pays Russia ~$20m per RD-180 engine.  And AerojetRocketdyne (Now Lockheed Martin) charges $150 million per RS-25....
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Posted: 1/15/2021 12:16:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: In other space news, the SLS Green Run is supposed to be this weekend. https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-tv-to-air-hot-fire-test-of-rocket-core-stage-for-artemis-moon-missions You know, at this point I kinda hope it just blows up so we can be rid of this national embarrassment... 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:35:03 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Neotopiaman]
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Astronauts checking out SN9
 Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison  
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:41:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:42:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:44:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. His mom is still probably disappointed in him...
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:45:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: His mom is still probably disappointed in him...  |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 2:46:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: His mom is still probably disappointed in him... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By redoubt: Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. His mom is still probably disappointed in him... I wanted you to go to law school Johnny, why you disappoint me son? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 3:14:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: The fact that they can build an engine like Raptor for ~$2 million is amazing in itself. ULA pays Russia ~$20m per RD-180 engine. And AerojetRocketdyne (Now Lockheed Martin) charges $150 million per RS-25.... I didn't know the other numbers you posted, but that is incredible. Still is funny that ULA didn't pick the raptor engine and instead went with BO. I bet they are kicking themselves as the raptor has already flown 3 times! And Elon said they should be down to 200k each when the design stabilizes and production starts. I assume that's before static fires to test each one. I knew $2m was relatively cheap, but didnt realize it was THAT much cheaper |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 3:15:16 PM EDT
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1 Raptor removed
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Posted: 1/15/2021 4:30:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. Likely a twin to my neighbor when I lived in Long Beach back in the early 90's.  She was the nicest lady you'd ever want to meet as long as you didn't get on her bad side.... |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 4:39:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: The fact that they can build an engine like Raptor for ~$2 million is amazing in itself. ULA pays Russia ~$20m per RD-180 engine. And AerojetRocketdyne (Now Lockheed Martin) charges $150 million per RS-25.... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By SGT-Fish: This is a good sign that we won't be sitting around all day (or 2 days) waiting for Starship Number 9 to launch like we did with SN8. Though it did cost them 4 million dollars in engjnes... The fact that they can build an engine like Raptor for ~$2 million is amazing in itself. ULA pays Russia ~$20m per RD-180 engine. And AerojetRocketdyne (Now Lockheed Martin) charges $150 million per RS-25.... It'll be interesting to see what the costs are on Starship and the Booster once all the design changes stabilize. Not to mention the ability to ramp production once you have a standardized proven product. Add in reuse instead of just throwing parts in the ocean and it gets really interesting. I can't wait !!!! As an FYI...I wouldn't pay 250K for a ride on Blue Origin but I'd transfer the same money tomorrow for a days worth of orbits in space... |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:23:05 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: https://i1.wp.com/everydayastronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Starship-Variants.png?ssl=1 How come the lunar variants look so fancy? NASA requirements? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:28:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: The fact that they can build an engine like Raptor for ~$2 million is amazing in itself. ULA pays Russia ~$20m per RD-180 engine. And AerojetRocketdyne (Now Lockheed Martin) charges $150 million per RS-25.... It’s worse than that. The Raptor can be re-used. The others are one and done. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: How come the lunar variants look so fancy? NASA requirements? If they were all chrome, then you'd see the reflection of the studio lights and camera of the lunar landing set. 
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: You know, at this point I kinda hope it just blows up so we can be rid of this national embarrassment... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By Pavelow16478: In other space news, the SLS Green Run is supposed to be this weekend. https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-tv-to-air-hot-fire-test-of-rocket-core-stage-for-artemis-moon-missions You know, at this point I kinda hope it just blows up so we can be rid of this national embarrassment... Careful what you wish for. It can work both ways. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 5:41:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: How come the lunar variants look so fancy? NASA requirements? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: https://i1.wp.com/everydayastronaut.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Starship-Variants.png?ssl=1 How come the lunar variants look so fancy? NASA requirements? |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:03:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg AMAZING CREDENTIALS! Certainly made of 'THe Right Stuff'! |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:10:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne: I wanted you to go to law school Johnny, why you disappoint me son? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Chairborne: Originally Posted By Neotopiaman: Originally Posted By redoubt: Coming from a Korean family, I bet his mom is 4'8" and absolutely terrifying. His mom is still probably disappointed in him... I wanted you to go to law school Johnny, why you disappoint me son? My mom is Korean. In middle school we did a science lab and figured out our blood types. I came home and told her I got B+. She said, "Why not an A?" |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:39:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redoubt: My mom is Korean. In middle school we did a science lab and figured out our blood types. I came home and told her I got B+. She said, "Why not an A?" Sounds Rodney Dangerfield-esque. "Poor boy was so dumb he failed a blood test."
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Posted: 1/15/2021 6:59:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Fulcrum-5]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: How come the lunar variants look so fancy? NASA requirements? Thermal management. To reflect as much sunlight as possible, because a stationary vehicle on the lunar surface can't use the same kind of radiators that one in orbit\space uses. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:19:14 PM EDT
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Magnum Raptor:
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:38:22 PM EDT
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Fuggin love that Raptors are hot shotted on a flatbed and crappy ass pallet with chain tie downs to an open air “factory” for installation by pipe fitters pulled from a chemical plant. Meanwhile everyone else seems to think rocket engines can only be assembled by white gloved triple degreed engineers in zero particulate clean rooms.
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:43:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Magnum Raptor: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErzeVsqXAAI6hsL?format=jpg&name=large I love me some 44 magnum!!!
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:50:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By agBQ08: Fuggin love that Raptors are hot shotted on a flatbed and crappy ass pallet with chain tie downs to an open air “factory” for installation by pipe fitters pulled from a chemical plant. Meanwhile everyone else seems to think rocket engines can only be assembled by white gloved triple degreed engineers in zero particulate clean rooms. That forget to bolt the zillion dollar satellite to the rotary table. Procedure checklist much?! Loved the pic many pages back of the rocket engine with a duct taped label on which was written with a Sharpie marker. 'Ship this one'. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 9:53:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Magnum Raptor: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErzeVsqXAAI6hsL?format=jpg&name=large that's one of the bad ones they took off today |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 10:03:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hdhogman: That forget to bolt the zillion dollar satellite to the rotary table. Procedure checklist much?! Loved the pic many pages back of the rocket engine with a duct taped label on which was written with a Sharpie marker. 'Ship this one'. Haha yeah that’s a good one. My warehouse does that with pallets worth $1000 of material. I appreciate a $2 mil pallet is treated similarly. |
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Posted: 1/15/2021 11:39:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg You think that they let regular infantry pukes become door gunners on the space shuttle? |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Hmmm...that makes sense. international waters are pretty far off the coasts though I think. I wonder if it would make sense to launch out of Puerto Rico. I don’t think an American weapons manufacturer(spacex) can just decide to do offshore shit on a whim. They are in bed with the .Gov for the long haul. Whether they like it or not. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 1:01:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Blue Origin launched it's hovering penis again today. https://spacenews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/ns14-liftoff-879x485.jpg so underwhelming, the lady said thats the 13th launch of new sheperd. who knew lol |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 3:52:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Yobro512: I don’t think an American weapons manufacturer(spacex) can just decide to do offshore shit on a whim. They are in bed with the .Gov for the long haul. Whether they like it or not. SpaceX does carry classified payloads for .gov entities, but the spacecraft themselves are not considered weapons -- nor are the spacecraft being "procured" by the government. DoD or NRO or whomever are just buying rides on rockets owned by SpaceX, exactly like the Army buys rides for troops on American Airlines. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 10:41:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vmpglenn: SpaceX does carry classified payloads for .gov entities, but the spacecraft themselves are not considered weapons -- nor are the spacecraft being "procured" by the government. DoD or NRO or whomever are just buying rides on rockets owned by SpaceX, exactly like the Army buys rides for troops on American Airlines. That doesn't exempt them from ITAR |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 11:33:11 AM EDT
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This is my favorite thread in GD.
So much cool stuff. Very impressed with SpaceX, so far. Keep it up! |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 12:27:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SGT-Fish: That doesn't exempt them from ITAR Agreed, but ITAR affects everyone with any sort of footprint outside the US. It's just another regulatory hurdle, not a ban. I've just finished reading the BusinessWeek article about Tesla in China, and it really seems like Musk seeks maximum efficiency and profitability without regard to national borders. I could see him moving R&D offshore if it suits him or if the US government starts to become a hindrance to his long term goals. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 2:30:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: kill-9]
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Saw this on reddit: 
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Posted: 1/16/2021 3:23:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By kill-9: Saw this on reddit:
I'll be there in FEB. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 3:26:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyMetal: It’s worse than that. The Raptor can be re-used. The others are one and done. The RS-25 was reused on a small vehicle called the Space Shuttle. For when it was developed it was a great engine. It's too bad they won't be reused/recovered for SLS. I'm wondering if SpaceX is going to build these all at Boca Chica and if they need to launch from KSC they'll just send it there as a point-to-point delivery flight. No more big trucks or boats. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 3:29:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2021 6:34:47 PM EDT
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SLS just hot fired the core stage. Aborted at T+0:01:07
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Posted: 1/16/2021 6:41:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Neotopiaman: Astronauts checking out SN9 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ErywSY7XEAEvwcO?format=jpg&name=large Dude on the left is Johnny Kim, a guy who makes everyone seem like lazy, underachieving pieces of shit in comparison https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a5/56/66/a556661298fa08c0fef8ca7920292688.jpg Well now I hate my life. Thanks. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 6:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: SLS just hot fired the core stage. Aborted at T+0:01:07 But I thought being methodical with less testing ensured success. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 6:57:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Master_of_Orion]
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pavelow16478: SLS just hot fired the core stage. Aborted at T+0:01:07 yep was supposed to go for 8min. This is why you test. This is why SpaceX rapidly tests. Whereas the other companies "certify" and attempt to make things absolutely perfect before they ever test... and still end up with issues. Certifying every individual piece is a slow process that lets the company keep billing the customer... and with cost plus contracting there is no pressure or consequence for missing a deadline... in fact dragging their feet and missing deadlines just gets them paid more... |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 8:26:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Master_of_Orion: yep was supposed to go for 8min. This is why you test. This is why SpaceX rapidly tests. Whereas the other companies "certify" and attempt to make things absolutely perfect before they ever test... and still end up with issues. Certifying every individual piece is a slow process that lets the company keep billing the customer... and with cost plus contracting there is no pressure or consequence for missing a deadline... in fact dragging their feet and missing deadlines just gets them paid more... The engines they used for the test have flown on the shuttle. They have had nearly a decade at least to certify. |
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Posted: 1/16/2021 8:38:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: The engines they used for the test have flown on the shuttle. They have had nearly a decade at least to certify. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NwG: Originally Posted By Master_of_Orion: yep was supposed to go for 8min. This is why you test. This is why SpaceX rapidly tests. Whereas the other companies "certify" and attempt to make things absolutely perfect before they ever test... and still end up with issues. Certifying every individual piece is a slow process that lets the company keep billing the customer... and with cost plus contracting there is no pressure or consequence for missing a deadline... in fact dragging their feet and missing deadlines just gets them paid more... The engines they used for the test have flown on the shuttle. They have had nearly a decade at least to certify. That's the thing that is so bizarre (and frustrating) to me about this. As you said, those specific four engines have literally ALREADY flown in space. There is nothing new or experimental about the technology. Everything should be well-understood and almost ROUTINE about lighting those engines and running them for 8 minutes. Furthermore, they have had these four engines installed on the core for over a year, leading up to this test. 14 months to make sure everything is working right, and they still couldn't get it to function properly. 
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