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Posted: 5/10/2001 12:00:18 AM EDT
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typically 115 gr fmj.
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Posted: 5/10/2001 12:11:45 AM EDT
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115gr is what is *common*, but 124gr is what works best. Note that Mil-Spec 9mm (M882) is a 124gr FMJ load. Both Winchester and Federal M882 is commonly available.
The 124gr generates a bit more recoil, which will help cycle the gun reliably. This is particularly important with the light-weight polymer-framed guns (Glocks, HKs, Kel-Tecs, etc.). Sometimes the 115gr bullets will fail to fully cycle the slide if you don't have a firm hold on the grip (this is called "limp-wristing"). The BEST loads are the 124gr Fed Hydra-Shok +P+ and the 127gr Winchester SXT +P+, both of which are police loads, and rarely available to civilians. A few vest manufacturers chose to recall their 9mm-rated vests due to these bullets... The heavier 147gr bullets are really only useful in suppressed guns, as they are subsonic. JHPs in this weight don't tend to expand as reliably, and tend to overpenetrate (shoot through), which reduces their effectiveness. -Troy |
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Posted: 5/10/2001 1:34:33 AM EDT
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I second that 124Gr.
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Posted: 5/10/2001 2:01:20 AM EDT
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and all this time i thaught the military used 115 gr, guess i was wrtong...
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Posted: 5/10/2001 2:37:31 AM EDT
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I agree on the 124.If you have a Luger its long enough to run.Thats probally 60% of the problem with ones that dont feed.
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Posted: 5/10/2001 2:50:56 AM EDT
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IMHO, the best defensive load for the 9mm would be a 375 grain hollow base wadcutter with as much bullseye as I can get shoved in the case. This is a classic example of the heavy, slow bullet over the light fast bullet theory.
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Posted: 5/10/2001 3:43:00 AM EDT
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230grain. I like the Frderal hydrashock. but my grand-daddy said the .230FMJ "ball" would knock a german on his ass pretty good.
....Oh you said 9mickeymouse, sorry, I thought we were talking about real calibers. [}:D] |
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Posted: 5/10/2001 5:20:38 AM EDT
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I sure like the Winchester 9mm Black Talons with their 147 gr. bullets. If you look hard enough they are available. Auctions Arms usually has some leftover L.E. for sale. They have completely stopped making it. [:(]
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Posted: 5/10/2001 5:38:23 AM EDT
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Troy is right about 124gr. 9mm rifles and pistols are chambered for 124gr from the factory, as 124gr was the original loading for the cartridge.
Heres a link from one of the vest makers. [url]http://www.secondchance.com/press/standards.htm[/url] The stuff can be found from time to time and here’s a link some current auctions. Don’t be surprised if the final bids are much higher than the current bids though. I saw a 50rd box go for an unbelievable amount the other day. [url]http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=1292603[/url] [url]http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=1293343[/url] I picked up two cases last week, wish I had bought more. Check the 9mm performance data from FTI and you will see that the Speer Gold Dot 9mm +P 124gr. Hollow Point performs nearly exactly like the Win Ranger ammo and it is also used by many police agencies. It also costs a whole lot less and there is plenty up for auction right now. Just click on the link. [url]http://www.gunbroker.com/auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=1311912[/url] I hope this helped you out a little. THISISME |
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Posted: 5/10/2001 8:18:27 AM EDT
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Again: The 124gr FMJ loaded to NATO spec. velocity.
Tyler. [;D] |
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