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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:04:58 PM EDT
 F-35A Strafe Runs 25x137mm Nammo PGU-47/U Apex 223g dual-purpose aircraft shredder/armor penetrator. Hill AFB has been doing live gunnery training with the F-35A and GAU-22/A 25mm rotary cannon, which has a reverse clearing system, so upon completion of a burst, any unfired 25mm cartridges are returned to the feeding system, so no live rounds are unusable. Since the F-35 has programmable architecture, the bursts can be set by the pilot or a synthetic auto-gun mode for both Air-to-Air and A2G. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:06:43 PM EDT
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 F-35 Lightning Jet 25mm Cannon Firing! GAU-22 Equalizer |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:08:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:11:21 PM EDT
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how many rounds carried internally?
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:14:07 PM EDT
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how many rounds carried internally? Duh. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:16:51 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure we did this one last week.
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:17:20 PM EDT
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how many rounds carried internally? 3300 RPM / 55 RPS rate of fire, 223 gram projectile weight for 12.3 kg/s throw weight, 3.27 seconds firing time of ammunition and 40.1 kg of total projectile weight. F/A-18E/F, 20mm M61A1 with 412 rounds. 6000 RPM / 100 RPS rate of fire, 102 gram projectile weight for 10.2 kg/s throw weight, 4.12 seconds firing time of ammunition and 42.0 kg total projectile weight. Typhoon, 27mm BK 27 with 150 rounds. 1800 RPM / 30 RPS rate of fire, 260 gram projectile weight for 7.8 kg/s throw weight, 5.00 seconds firing time of ammunition and 39.0 kg total projectile weight. Gripen, 27mm BK 27 with 120 rounds. 1800 RPM / 30 RPS rate of fire, 260 gram projectile weight for 7.8 kg/s throw weight, 4.00 seconds firing time of ammunition and 31.2 kg total projectile weight. Rafale, 30mm GIAT 30 with 125 rounds. 2500 RPM / 42 RPS rate of fire, 275 gram projectile weight for 11.6 kg/s throw weight, 2.98 seconds firing time of ammunition and 34.4 kg total projectile weight. Su-35, 30mm GSh-30-1 with 150 rounds. 1800 RPM / 30 RPS rate of fire, 390 gram projectile weight for 11.7 kg/s throw weight, 5.00 seconds firing time of ammunition and 58.5 kg total projectile weight. The biggest difference with the F-35A and GAU-22/A is that it has more programmable bursts. For A2A, you could get 9 x 20rd bursts if you wanted, or 3 x 60rd bursts, etc. One of the assumptions most outside observers have made is that the F-35 will rely on missiles for its first kills in A2A, when the gun is more of an option in the F-35 than any 4th Gen jet as a first kill system when approaching VLO. Threat air is flying along, all of a sudden they get shredded by 25mm dual-purpose projectiles and don't know why. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:19:31 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure we did this one last week. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:20:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:20:59 PM EDT
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Is the gun computer controlled? Does the computer make adjustments to the flight path in order to ensure hits? How do these modern systems work?
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:22:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:23:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:24:47 PM EDT
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I'm pretty sure we did this one last week. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:29:21 PM EDT
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Is the gun computer controlled? Does the computer make adjustments to the flight path in order to ensure hits? How do these modern systems work? Everything in the F-35 is quad-redundant, super computer controlled. All the sensors and systems are fused through the central brain, working together. There are no radios, no IFF (ID Friend or Foe), no ILS (Instrumented Landing System), no RWR (Radar Warning Receiver) system boxes, but synthetic programmable options across the board for anything you want to do. You want to send encrypted burst, multi-spectral, high saturation imagery to every other F-35 in the MADL, you can do it any number of ways. You are no longer limited to a black box with specific antennae and limited frequency range. You can create a waveform to your desire, and send it across a multitude of antennae. Same thing for gunnery, IFF, missile shots, aerial refueling, navigation, landing, take-off, supersonic maneuvering for placement after missile launch, Electronic Warfare (acting like an EF-111 or EA-18), and gunnery. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:32:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:33:34 PM EDT
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So one burst and its empty, that is pathetic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:37:07 PM EDT
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@whiskersthecat
It's a dupe thread... but figure you'd like it anyway. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:43:05 PM EDT
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It's open architecture programmable, so as the fleet gains additional experience to all of the years of RDT&E and ODT&E, they can simply update and improve it for higher hit probability with fleet data. Everything in the F-35 is quad-redundant, super computer controlled. All the sensors and systems are fused through the central brain, working together. There are no radios, no IFF (ID Friend or Foe), no ILS (Instrumented Landing System), no RWR (Radar Warning Receiver) system boxes, but synthetic programmable options across the board for anything you want to do. You want to send encrypted burst, multi-spectral, high saturation imagery to every other F-35 in the MADL, you can do it any number of ways. You are no longer limited to a black box with specific antennae and limited frequency range. You can create a waveform to your desire, and send it across a multitude of antennae. Same thing for gunnery, IFF, missile shots, aerial refueling, navigation, landing, take-off, supersonic maneuvering for placement after missile launch, Electronic Warfare (acting like an EF-111 or EA-18), and gunnery. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:44:03 PM EDT
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See the chart above. 180 rounds is very much in line with what is in modern fighters. The internal gun is a pocket knife for if shit's gone real wrong. If you find yourself using it, you've fucked up. For CAS and "gun runs" they can use external pods. Otherwise they are using missiles... and likely not even their own missiles. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:46:01 PM EDT
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@whiskersthecat It's a dupe thread... but figure you'd like it anyway. This is a fucking awesome thread. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:46:22 PM EDT
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See the chart above. 180 rounds is very much in line with what is in modern fighters. The internal gun is a pocket knife for if shit's gone real wrong. If you find yourself using it, you've fucked up. For CAS and "gun runs" they can use external pods. Otherwise they are using missiles... and likely not even their own missiles. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:46:36 PM EDT
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150 rounds?
That seems so minuscule and short lived |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:46:41 PM EDT
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So one burst and its empty, that is pathetic. For shooting shit on the ground it's probably just as useless as the 20mm. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:49:19 PM EDT
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It looks like there's two brrrt locations? Top, were wing meets body, and the belly?
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:49:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:50:16 PM EDT
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other planes, ships, ground based, plenty of options. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:50:52 PM EDT
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It looks like there's two brrrt locations? Top, were wing meets body, and the belly? The B and C can mount the same gun in a pod on the center line. Comes with a little more ammo, to boot. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:51:20 PM EDT
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It looks like there's two brrrt locations? Top, were wing meets body, and the belly? |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 1:58:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:00:28 PM EDT
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Quoted: The A model has an internal gun. The B and C can mount the same gun in a pod on the center line. Comes with a little more ammo, to boot. Quoted: Yup, if it's carrying the pod. Man, I want to watch footage of these things pushing some other country's shit in. Why can't other Air Forces attempt to mess with us? F22s and F35s are getting blue balls. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:01:30 PM EDT
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That's fucking awesome. Man, I want to watch footage of these things pushing some other country's shit in. Why can't other Air Forces attempt to mess with us? F22s and F35s are getting blue balls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: The A model has an internal gun. The B and C can mount the same gun in a pod on the center line. Comes with a little more ammo, to boot. Quoted: Yup, if it's carrying the pod. Man, I want to watch footage of these things pushing some other country's shit in. Why can't other Air Forces attempt to mess with us? F22s and F35s are getting blue balls. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:08:25 PM EDT
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The Israelis are having some fun with theirs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:20:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:24:00 PM EDT
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150 rounds? That seems so minuscule and short lived They may not need all that many. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:27:19 PM EDT
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It's not a dupe for me! This is a fucking awesome thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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@whiskersthecat It's a dupe thread... but figure you'd like it anyway. This is a fucking awesome thread. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:28:02 PM EDT
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Here's the real lulz According to Gen Tannous, Maj Gen Norkin has “taken heat for revealing the F-35 in such a clear photo, showing four radars, with two reflectors on each side” – meaning it was not flying in stealth mode. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:29:39 PM EDT
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@whiskersthecat It's a dupe thread... but figure you'd like it anyway. This is a fucking awesome thread. 
GD will come around on the F35 once we start hearing more of its awesome exploits. Personally, I'd love a stealth approach with a brrrrrrt pass. |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:30:54 PM EDT
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So I assume they figured out the flight model issue when firing.
For those who don't know, when the A model would fire, the little stealth flap opened up and caused a quick yaw due to it being mounted on the "shoulder," causing rounds to impact to the left of where it was aimed. Basically, the plane had a flinch.
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:35:15 PM EDT
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Good Jesse James!
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:38:16 PM EDT
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Here is the thread where linking the F35 with the Aegis system is discussed. It’s like mind blowing, dude.
https://www.ar15.com/forums/General/F-35-is-doing-things-legacy-fighter-airplanes-could-have-never-even-thought-about-/5-2101034/ |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:39:32 PM EDT
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See the chart above. 180 rounds is very much in line with what is in modern fighters. The internal gun is a pocket knife for if shit's gone real wrong. If you find yourself using it, you've fucked up. For CAS and "gun runs" they can use external pods. Otherwise they are using missiles... and likely not even their own missiles. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how many rounds carried internally?
See the chart above. 180 rounds is very much in line with what is in modern fighters. The internal gun is a pocket knife for if shit's gone real wrong. If you find yourself using it, you've fucked up. For CAS and "gun runs" they can use external pods. Otherwise they are using missiles... and likely not even their own missiles. Rate |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:42:43 PM EDT
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It's so cute! It's like a little puppy fart
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:49:40 PM EDT
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But don't most of the European fighters named use single barreled canons with much slower rates of fire than a rotary cannon? Rate Quote HistoryQuoted:
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how many rounds carried internally?
See the chart above. 180 rounds is very much in line with what is in modern fighters. The internal gun is a pocket knife for if shit's gone real wrong. If you find yourself using it, you've fucked up. For CAS and "gun runs" they can use external pods. Otherwise they are using missiles... and likely not even their own missiles. Rate Especially with the computer helping me out... I'd rather get the rounds out closer together so they'll more likely hit the target. Let's say I'm doing a 25 round burst (that's just to make the math easy, that'll take ~0.5 seconds at ~3000rpm) while the enemy crosses in front of my cannon. That's 25 potential hits. If I did the same thing in a Typhoon (~1800 rpm), it would take almost a whole second to get 25 rounds out. Meaning the enemy would have nearly twice as long to clear my cannon... making it harder to get those 25 potential hits. (Sure, I got to shoot for longer... but who cares?) |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:58:28 PM EDT
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other planes, ships, ground based, plenty of options. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whose missiles they using? 
 There aren't many F-15E payloads the F-35 can't carry. This one, for example, is easy for the F-35 to carry and still have less drag, because it doesn't need EFTs (External Fuel Tanks). The targeting pod is integrated into the F-35's airframe, so it doesn't need an external, draggy Electro-Optical FLIR/Laser Spot Tracker because that's always in the nose and fused with the entire sensor suite, including the RF, MWIR, AESA, and DAS sensors. 
Every F-35 stores configuration includes at least 2 x AIM-120 AMRAAMs, which don't impede on the ability to carry other A2A or A2G weapons in the internal weapons bays. The more they work with the F-35, the more it looks like AIM-9X on stations 1 and 11 will be pretty standard, since that doesn't impact frontal RCS in practice enough to want them gone, the VLO of the F-35 is that good. So carrying 4 AAMs along with bombs and A2G munitions will be pretty common. Since you can close to within No Escape Zone parameters unobserved, Pk for AIM-9X and AIM-120C/D goes way up, simply because there isn't enough time for the enemy to detect and evade what they can't see. Even worse for them, if you gun them, they have no countermeasures for that. 
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Posted: 8/28/2018 2:58:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 3:11:10 PM EDT
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https://manglermuldoon.blogspot.com/2016/12/innovation-and-air-dominance-loyal.html |
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Posted: 8/28/2018 3:12:50 PM EDT
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Those from 4th gen fighters using data links. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 8/28/2018 3:17:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2018 3:19:44 PM EDT
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Full disclosure:
I get to see/hear/feel those things go thundering over almost every day. I also might know a few Airmen and contractors who work at Luke AFB. I also might’ve been buzzed by one while out in the middle of nowhere (northern Arizona). With apologies to Sylvan, I love that airplane
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Posted: 8/28/2018 3:23:58 PM EDT
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Full disclosure: I get to see/hear/feel those things go thundering over almost every day. I also might know a few Airmen and contractors who work at Luke AFB. I also might’ve been buzzed by one while out in the middle of nowhere (northern Arizona). With apologies to Sylvan, I love that airplane I've said this in other threads... but, sure "numbers on paper" it's no F-22. But it's a whole new bird. It's not a strike-fighter. It is a a sensor package and a network hub. It's teeth are basically every guided weapon in the battle space. |
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