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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:55:54 PM EDT
[#1]
not with today's ROE...
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:56:50 PM EDT
[#2]
It's a culture issue.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:56:53 PM EDT
[#3]
Not worth it.
We could, but it would be so costly in blood, time and treasure that it would end up being a phyric victory. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:57:16 PM EDT
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If everyone is dead it's stable right?
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:58:16 PM EDT
[#5]
Cheaper for the taxpayer and safer for the personnel to just use them to secure the border instead.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:59:40 PM EDT
[#6]
Simpler and cheaper to build a wall and associated defenses.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 2:59:59 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's a culture issue. The issue is that due to their proximity to the US their problems are now undermining our Republic, and if left unchecked could lead to the end of our Republic as we know it. So, what do we do? |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:01:01 PM EDT
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Doesn't address the underlying cause. The billions in US drug traffic dollars going down there. As long as that income stream exists, someone will service the trade. You put the US military in that situation and the drug money will just contaminate them as well.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:01:24 PM EDT
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not with today's ROE... The best we could hope for, would be that by some miracle .gov actually starts enforcing the border between U.S. & Mexico, but this country is too undermined by stupidity for even that to be a realistic outcome. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:01:47 PM EDT
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Haven't we defeated Mexico twice already and kept the nice parts? I think retooling our "War on Drugs" would fix Mexico more cheaply than an invasion. If drugs are produced and A and C is hooked on them, B is fucked.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:02:34 PM EDT
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It's a culture issue. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:02:45 PM EDT
[#12]
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Cheaper for the taxpayer and safer for the personnel to just use them to secure the border instead. The only issue then is the problem never goes away, and you have a failed country filled with chaos on the other side of the wall. Eventually the Leftists will let the wall fall into disrepair and stop securing the border.......if the wall is ever even built. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:02:52 PM EDT
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Nothing could stabilize that country, there are too many low-IQ mestizos in the population. Look at a world map of average IQ and the relationship between IQ and shit hole becomes pretty obvious and hard to refute.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:03:11 PM EDT
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Doesn't address the underlying cause. The billions in US drug traffic dollars going down there. As long as that income stream exists, someone will service the trade. You put the US military in that situation and the drug money will just contaminate them as well. Root problem remains. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:03:28 PM EDT
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Minefields and interlocking fields of fire on the border. The only thing we would actually send into Mexico would be Minuteman IIIs.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:04:02 PM EDT
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In a word no. While there is turmoil in Mexico, sending in troops by invitation from the Mexican Government would have the same result of a LEO going on a domestic call. All the factions in Mexico would find common ground to drive out the gringos.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:04:12 PM EDT
[#17]
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Doesn't address the underlying cause. The billions in US drug traffic dollars going down there. As long as that income stream exists, someone will service the trade. You put the US military in that situation and the drug money will just contaminate them as well. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:05:43 PM EDT
[#18]
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In a word no. While there is turmoil in Mexico, sending in troops by invitation from the Mexican Government would have the same result of a LEO going on a domestic call. All the factions in Mexico would find common ground to drive out the gringos. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:05:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:06:02 PM EDT
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Simpler and cheaper to build a wall and associated defenses. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:06:20 PM EDT
[#21]
No.
ETA: Unless that “military force” was directed at the drug culture in the US. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:07:43 PM EDT
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Going to require a wholesale change in the hearts and minds of the Mexican people. Something that only a wholly new religious tradition can accomplish, over multiple generations.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:08:38 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed 100%. The issue is that due to their proximity to the US their problems are now undermining our Republic, and if left unchecked could lead to the end of our Republic as we know it. So, what do we do? |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:09:30 PM EDT
[#24]
Not without Roman/British Empire methods and morals.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:10:45 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Doesn't address the underlying cause. The billions in US drug traffic dollars going down there. As long as that income stream exists, someone will service the trade. You put the US military in that situation and the drug money will just contaminate them as well. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:11:55 PM EDT
[#26]
Not with any strategy we have been using for the last 100 years or so.
It would take measuring against the linchpin and a US military presence probably forever to maintain it. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:12:51 PM EDT
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In a word no. While there is turmoil in Mexico, sending in troops by invitation from the Mexican Government would have the same result of a LEO going on a domestic call. All the factions in Mexico would find common ground to drive out the gringos. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:14:00 PM EDT
[#28]
FPNI, some people just need to be killed
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:15:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:17:07 PM EDT
[#30]
Quoted: Build the fucking wall |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:17:45 PM EDT
[#31]
The people we fought in the ME didn't have the immediate access to US civilians that cartels have. I have no doubt that the cartel violence would spill over the border the second US troops start kicking ass. We don't have the stomach for it. While we are jumping through hoops to minimize collateral damage they will be shooting up schools and assassinating public figures.
Better to secure the border. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:19:29 PM EDT
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Yes the US military is very capable, and it is possible within the confines of "military power". Politically, NO. Carpet bombing cities and Sherman's March are no longer an acceptable option.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:21:19 PM EDT
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OP's original question reminds me of Clancy's book, "Clear and Present Danger". Frankly I thought the special forces incursion into that shithole was the real and true "war on drugs" that should occur. This BS about counseling, clever slogans, and political posturing is useless.
I think the belief that the cartels will disappear with the legalization of drugs is folly. These organized crime groups have gotten too powerful and will merely branch out into some of their already existing venues of profit. They've almost become a political force in Mexico, and they will want to hold on to that power. I also believe that they will just tweak their business model in the drug trade to compete with whatever screwed up system the U.S. government would come up with as it relates to "legalized" drugs. These drugs will still cost money, and the feds will want their fair share...for the welfare of the people, of course. The cartels will just be a competing faction in this process, and they bring a lot of experience with them in how to "get around" taxes, government control, etc. Mexico is on our physical border. They are a threat, though maybe not the direct military threat of say, a Soviet Union of the past. I don't think a full-on military assault is necessary at this time, but some strategic CIA, special forces, etc. action might actually be effective if executed properly. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:21:32 PM EDT
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How is it that we are still asking this question after 100 years of "empirical data" on the subject?
It reminds me of the quote often found here pertaining to commie/socialist states......I guess we just haven't "done it the right way" yet. So yea, let's spend a couple more trillion to find out the answer for the 12th time and then repeat the same mistake all over again in 10 - 20 years. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:22:11 PM EDT
[#35]
The US could stabilize any country on the planet using our military force.
That being said, no one is willing to go through the lengths required to do so, as it was borderline politically incorrect 200 years ago let alone now. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:22:45 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
It's a culture issue. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:23:05 PM EDT
[#37]
You would have to take out the cartels, corrupt members of the Mexican government, corrupt Police as well.as corrupt military. Would be a pretty big undertaking for sure.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:23:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Do we want another nation building blunder right on our border?
#buildthewall |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:23:49 PM EDT
[#39]
Yes, if we're talking about old school hardcore colonialism.
Otherwise, no. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:24:26 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Agreed 100%. The issue is that due to their proximity to the US their problems are now undermining our Republic, and if left unchecked could lead to the end of our Republic as we know it. So, what do we do? |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:24:38 PM EDT
[#41]
What is there of value to stabilize? Its broken and you want to buy it?
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:25:04 PM EDT
[#42]
When has a occupation force trying to do the hearts and minds thing ever worked?
There is a huge demand in the US for drugs. As long as that demand is here, the supply will rise to meet it. I would almost be willing to make the argument that the war on drugs is part of what caused the problems in Mexico. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:25:59 PM EDT
[#43]
Why should the US do anything in that sewer?
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:27:17 PM EDT
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The answer is very simple... Manifest Destiny |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:27:59 PM EDT
[#45]
Anything is possible, but not everything is practical.
It would require three things - none of which we have the national will to do. First, total interdiction and eradication of the sources of drugs thereby cutting the cartels off from the source of their product. Two, the elimination of demand in the US (and Canada). Third, overwhelming military force and complete control of Mexico. An included task is the elimination and continuing suppression of corruption. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:28:39 PM EDT
[#46]
OP, terrible idea. Not worth the expense in either men or materiel.
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:29:52 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
not with today's ROE... The US Military has the capability. The United States does not have the political will or the unity necessary. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:29:56 PM EDT
[#48]
No the cartels have too much to lose
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:30:04 PM EDT
[#49]
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Cheaper for the taxpayer and safer for the personnel to just use them to secure the border instead. To answer OPs question yes we could militarily pacify Mexico. We do not have the will to spill that much Mexican blood. Our loses would be in the 10s of thousands. Mexican loses would be well in to the 100s of thousands. We just don’t want to do that. |
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Posted: 8/17/2018 3:30:26 PM EDT
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We aren't stoping violence and drug production in Afghanistan. We aren't going to stop it in Mexico where our own $$$ would fight against us.
It isn't worth it. You could spend 1/10 of the money strengthening our border and policies. Not lose a fraction of the lives or cause any turmoil in our own country. Once it hits the news that American Soldiers are dying in Mexico buy Narcos funded by American's drug habit, you're going to have US fighting US in the states. Good citizens will turn on suspected drug users. The war on drugs will be fueled by that hatred and now you have Johnny Law fiercely going after Americans with less .gov restrictions. |
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