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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:12:09 PM EDT
I am pretty sure we have covered this one before. But now there is video of the court proceedings fighting the ticket. Cliff notes: Guy has car running in driveway to warm up..... cop drives by and sees it running unattended and stops and writes a ticket due to public safety concerns. "Someone could steal it and speed and hurt someone!!" paraphrasing the police chief.
 But the officer doesn't knock on the door or notify anyone in the house that it is an issue. So it couldn't possibly be a true public safety issue because he left the car in the same condition he found it only with a ticket on the window.
The icing on the cake was the judge chewing out the defense lawyer for the info ending up on facebook without the judges express consent. Apparently someone in attendance at a previous hearing was livestreaming the case on facebook. The Defense attny knew it had happened (but wasn't doing it personally) and the judge flips out and puts him in contempt of court. I think for transparency sake all court cases should be available to be recorded if the defense or prosecutor wishes. Helps keep the courts honest. Sure you can get transcripts but that doesn't show obvious contempt, snarkiness, or possible bias in peoples actions during the case.  Michigan judge orders man to pay ticket for allowing car to warm up in driveway Michigan judge orders man to pay ticket for allowing car to warm up in driveway |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:14:41 PM EDT
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let me help you
Michigan judge orders man to pay ticket for allowing car to warm up in driveway |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:17:29 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:17:46 PM EDT
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Typical liberal logic. Making it easy to commit crime turns otherwise upstanding citizens into criminals.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:17:55 PM EDT
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Well, at least he didn't shoot anyone ---yet...
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:18:59 PM EDT
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Land of the Free
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:20:34 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:33:22 PM EDT
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This reminds me of a funny story.
My wife's cousin was stationed in Colorado about a year ago, he's from Louisiana. So he buys himself a car while he's there and one morning he starts up his car to warm it up. While it's warming up and he is inside, someone jacks his car. Gets better though. He calls the cops and when they get there he explains what happened. In the end he got a ticket for having his car running to warm up and never got his car back. Lol kick a man while he's down! |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:34:58 PM EDT
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I think my commie state passed laws about idling/warming up cars...to reduce emissions.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:35:28 PM EDT
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Yeahhhhh, I'm not paying that ticket.
I'd ask how many days in jail would equal whatever the fine is . |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:36:47 PM EDT
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Since it is Michigan in the winter..... I wonder if this officer is trespassing on everyone's yards to check running vehicles in case a few of them don't have remote start and are a threat to the general public?
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:37:59 PM EDT
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Anti idling laws.
Even NH has them. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:38:53 PM EDT
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This reminds me of a funny story. My wife's cousin was stationed in Colorado about a year ago, he's from Louisiana. So he buys himself a car while he's there and one morning he starts up his car to warm it up. While it's warming up and he is inside, someone jacks his car. Gets better though. He calls the cops and when they get there he explains what happened. In the end he got a ticket for having his car running to warm up and never got his car back. Lol kick a man while he's down! |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:39:26 PM EDT
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Now all they need is some issue granting them probable cause to enter your house without a warrant and they will be all set..... like maybe leaving the water in the sink running while you are brushing your teeth? Or older generation of non EPA certified gas cans?
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:41:14 PM EDT
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Pathetic, trembling, cuck, can barely even speak.
Who am I talking about? |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:41:45 PM EDT
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and you guys are so quick to attack us in california for not having freedom. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:43:47 PM EDT
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Pathetic, trembling, cuck, can barely even speak. Who am I talking about? Or the defendant attny? He looks libertarian to me but what do I know? 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:52:01 PM EDT
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The defendant? Yeah he looks like a millennial but stupid laws are stupid laws. Especially if it allows the Law probable cause to enter your property. Or the defendant attny? He looks libertarian to me but what do I know? |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:54:50 PM EDT
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Go to the police station at the beginning of a shift on a hot or cold day and see if they are following the law.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:55:50 PM EDT
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Cop is literally shaking and twitching when he attempts to speak. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:56:38 PM EDT
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I feel so much safer.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 4:57:45 PM EDT
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Wonder if the cop took his keys in his pocket while writing this BS ticket....
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:02:08 PM EDT
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anyone have a link to the video they reference at the start of OP's video my google fu must be weak I cant find it
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:05:07 PM EDT
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I think for transparency sake all court cases should be available to be recorded if the defense or prosecutor wishes. 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:09:35 PM EDT
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Do as I say NOT as I do!
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:11:02 PM EDT
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How did the court know this guy left his car idling? It could have been his wife or kids.
I suspect that he admitted his "crime" to the police. If the cops knock on your door, asking whether you left your car running, the only correct response is: "am I being detained?" |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:12:10 PM EDT
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Anti idling laws. Even NH has them. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:12:19 PM EDT
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How did the court know this guy left his car idling? It could have been his wife or kids. I suspect that he admitted his "crime" to the police. If the cops knock on your door, asking whether you left your car running, the only correct response is: "am I being detained?" |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:14:55 PM EDT
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Has everyone died? I love my remote start. Use it almost every time summer or winter. 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:14:58 PM EDT
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Typical liberal logic. Making it easy to commit crime turns otherwise upstanding citizens into criminals.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:21:49 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. My research indicates a different situation: LANSING, MI - A portion of a little-known Michigan law that made it illegal to "warm up" a car in a driveway has been reversed by state representatives. The Michigan House of Representatives approved Tuesday afternoon, May 2, a bill that will allow motorists to leave an unattended vehicle idling in a private driveway without fear of a ticket. The legislation kept in place the regulation against having an unattended vehicle idling on a private roadway or business parking lot. House Bill 4215 moves to the state Senate for consideration before it can become law. It passed through the House's Transportation and Infrastructure Committee in March. Michigan's law against "warming up" an unattended car in a driveway grabbed headlines when a man in Roseville received a ticket for "warming up" his car in his driveway in January. A month later, the Muskegon police chief announced that his department would be cracking down on unattended vehicles idling in city driveways to help combat the possibility of the car being stolen. Despite concerns raised by the state representative who represents the Roseville area, the legislation passed the full House on a vote of 77-30. State Rep. Holly Hughes, R-Montague, sponsored the bill. House Bill 4215: 2/15/2017HJ 15 Pg. 140introduced by Representative Holly Hughes 2/15/2017HJ 15 Pg. 140read a first time 2/15/2017HJ 15 Pg. 140referred to Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure 2/16/2017HJ 16 Pg. 151bill electronically reproduced 02/15/2017 3/28/2017HJ 32 Pg. 367reported with recommendation with substitute H-4 3/28/2017HJ 32 Pg. 367referred to second reading 4/27/2017HJ 39 Pg. 475read a second time 4/27/2017HJ 39 Pg. 475substitute H-4 adopted 4/27/2017HJ 39 Pg. 475placed on third reading 5/2/2017HJ 40 Pg. 489read a third time 5/2/2017HJ 40 Pg. 489passed; given immediate effect Roll Call # 84 Yeas 77 Nays 30 5/2/2017HJ 40 Pg. 489Rep. Tim Sneller removed as cosponsor 5/2/2017HJ 40 Pg. 489transmitted 5/3/2017SJ 42 Pg. 562REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON TRANSPORTATION 5/30/2017SJ 52 Pg. 725REPORTED FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT 5/30/2017SJ 52 Pg. 725COMMITTEE RECOMMENDED IMMEDIATE EFFECT 5/30/2017SJ 52 Pg. 725REFERRED TO COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE 6/8/2017SJ 56 Pg. 769REPORTED BY COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE FAVORABLY WITHOUT AMENDMENT(S) 6/8/2017SJ 56 Pg. 769PLACED ON ORDER OF THIRD READING 6/13/2017SJ 57 Pg. 789PASSED; GIVEN IMMEDIATE EFFECT ROLL CALL # 249 YEAS 30 NAYS 6 EXCUSED 2 NOT VOTING 0 6/13/2017SJ 57 Pg. 789INSERTED FULL TITLE 6/13/2017HJ 56 Pg. 1021returned from Senate without amendment with immediate effect and full title 6/13/2017HJ 56 Pg. 1021full title agreed to 6/13/2017HJ 56 Pg. 1021bill ordered enrolled 6/20/2017HJ 59 Pg. 1488presented to the Governor 6/19/2017 @ 10:34 AM |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:29:31 PM EDT
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They should make stealing cars illegal ! |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:33:05 PM EDT
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It is illegal in Colorado too. A major contributor to auto theft.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:33:44 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:34:50 PM EDT
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Since it is Michigan in the winter..... I wonder if this officer is trespassing on everyone's yards to check running vehicles in case a few of them don't have remote start and are a threat to the general public? |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:36:21 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:42:05 PM EDT
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Does that count if you are sitting in the driver's seat waiting for the car and engine to warm up? I wouldn't be so stupid as to start my car in the drive way or anywhere else, and then get out and go into the house. That's an engraved invitation for a thief to steal it. Who does something stupid like this. However, stupidity shouldn't be subject to traffic fines. Unless it directly affects others negatively.
I'm not sitting in the car for the 15 minutes it will take to warm up and defrost on a 10 degree day. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:47:22 PM EDT
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Does that count if you are sitting in the driver's seat waiting for the car and engine to warm up? I wouldn't be so stupid as to start my car in the drive way or anywhere else, and then get out and go into the house. That's an engraved invitation for a thief to steal it. Who does something stupid like this. However, stupidity shouldn't be subject to traffic fines. Unless it directly affects others negatively. 
If you are starting the car and leaving it running with the keys in the ignition I think that is foolish but if it is done on your private property I think the "state" should fuck right off. 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 5:51:20 PM EDT
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So what if my keys aren't in the car and it's on?
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:04:58 PM EDT
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and you guys are so quick to attack us in california for not having freedom. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. Combined with your states socialism, gun laws, harboring of illegals, and much more, you really shouldn't be posting stupid shit when your own state has the same law and much worse.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:08:49 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:12:24 PM EDT
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Careful throwing stones from your glass house. California has extremely strict laws on idling vehicles. They even fuck with truckers for sitting with their engines running. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of. like duh, ok? |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:16:40 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:stupidest fucking law i've ever heard of.
There is no limit to the stupid in the legislature. It's as close to infinite as anything comes. Why a bunch of wealthy lawyers think they have the answer to everything puzzles me endlessly. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:21:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Careful throwing stones from your glass house. California has extremely strict laws on idling vehicles. They even fuck with truckers for sitting with their engines running. Of course since most amount of the nation's goods ship through the ports in California, and very unique geography traps the emissions, and people like seeing the mountains and avoiding the cancer, they have a point.  Wave for more cancer!!
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:21:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I love my remote start. Use it almost every time summer or winter.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:38:45 PM EDT
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Judge was already mad at the defense to begin with, and the defense attorney's ridiculous lumbersexual look likely was not helping matters.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:53:10 PM EDT
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Texas has the same dumb laws. But it's harder to tell the car's on because it's not ass numbing cold most of the time. I stopped at a quick stop to grab a coke, left the AC running for my buddy, and all the doors locked. When I came out some crazy lady jumped my shit about leaving my dog in the truck with the windows rolled up and how he'd die in 5 minutes time. I told her the truck was running and the AC was on...and she looked like I really deprived her of her social justice crusade for the day. I loves my remote start key fob.
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:54:46 PM EDT
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Actually.......... Michigan passed an ACTUAL law to make it illegal to leave a vehicle running with the keys in it even if it's in your own driveway. Looks like I was beat to the punch. Added the Traffic code so you can see the part that was taken out if you read the bill. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:56:02 PM EDT
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Anti idling laws. Even NH has them. <<<<<<-------------- I'm fucked then. The keys are always in it, and it's idling all the time. nobody wants to steal it. 
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Posted: 6/25/2017 6:59:50 PM EDT
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Texas has the same dumb laws. But it's harder to tell the car's on because it's not ass numbing cold most of the time. |
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