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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:31:29 PM EDT
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5.7M illegal voters in 2008. How many in 2016?
If they want to vote with the illegals every time, who am I to stop them from throwing away their sovereignty? |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:36:22 PM EDT
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:44:26 PM EDT
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They are saying their state doesn't matter - I'm ok with that.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:46:39 PM EDT
[#4]
Very confused people who don't understand the history of the US.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:46:51 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/20/2017 9:51:32 PM EDT
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A state can do whatever they want. This seems like a good deal to me. It puts OR in play.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:00:37 PM EDT
[#7]
Yea, once voter ID goes nation wide.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:01:48 PM EDT
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:01:57 PM EDT
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Election losers want to abolish the electoral college.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:06:34 PM EDT
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. 
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:12 PM EDT
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I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought?
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:20 PM EDT
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:09:54 PM EDT
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Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:12:09 PM EDT
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Shhhh! Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something K |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:14:14 PM EDT
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Shhhh! Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. Don't interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake -Sun Tzu or something ETA: Nevermind, the presidential ratio was around 2:1, liberals to people with brains... |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:17:48 PM EDT
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There is a movement to do this. that will activate when they have enough votes to win the election
Nation popular vote movement |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:41:44 PM EDT
[#17]
I don't live there, but I don't like this much. I don't trust either party. OR might not matter, but if a bunch of states sign on to this, the election is more open to fraud. Magically another 8m "undocumented" people in CA, NY, and IL just tilt the election.
Make no mistake, these laws are about making election fraud easier for the big D party... |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:43:57 PM EDT
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The USA needs an enema.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:50:07 PM EDT
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The USA needs an enema. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:53:30 PM EDT
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Worst idea ever. Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:55:32 PM EDT
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I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought? |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:56:49 PM EDT
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I'm liking this, but I figure there has to be a downside for Republicans. Dems would never do anything that gives an edge to Repubs. Is it just Trump derangement syndrome overcoming rational thought? |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 10:58:36 PM EDT
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Worst idea ever. Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:00:41 PM EDT
[#24]
I swear, the entire West coast is acustic
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:03:04 PM EDT
[#25]
Brilliant, disenfranchise the voters in your own state and bend them to the will of others.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:19:16 PM EDT
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We have some idiots in this state that are convinced they are the smartest people in the world. I overheard a few of the "intellectuals" discussing this the other day. They called it "the collegiate vote". Had to turn away so I didn't laugh in their faces. We're got some hard core moron narcissists in Portland, Eugene, and Bend that have the majority for now. Not much we can do about it this time around.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:20:05 PM EDT
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Brilliant, disenfranchise the voters in your own state and bend them to the will of others. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:30:09 PM EDT
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I'll admit I haven't thought through the nuts and bolts of it all but I'd like to see electors awarded by congressional district. At least in that way I'd think that my vote and those of my area counted for something.
Plus it would force POTUS hopefuls out of the cities and into the hinterland instead of counting on huge blocks of votes in a city or in a few counties in NoVA. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:31:42 PM EDT
[#29]
I vote they and kalifornia secede and form their own union of socialist snowflakes
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:32:58 PM EDT
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That's an interesting question. How many republicans stayed home in New York and California because their votes didn't count vs. the dems that stayed home in Texas?
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:33:01 PM EDT
[#31]
If this passes, and then Trump creates federally mandatory voter ID..
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:33:56 PM EDT
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I don't ever see a Republican winning Oregon, so this only helps us. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:34:41 PM EDT
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Politicians that don't understand the concept of the Constitution.
Wonderful. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:39:50 PM EDT
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Politicians that don't understand the concept of the Constitution. Wonderful. If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional. Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:30 PM EDT
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Yep, you'll see this law repealed the day after Trump wins the popular vote majority in 2020. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:30 PM EDT
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The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president. If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional. Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:40:55 PM EDT
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Broken network connection turned multi-post...
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:41:01 PM EDT
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This whole thing is moot, Federal law won't allow it, the states don't have a choice. Thank god!
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:41:23 PM EDT
[#39]
This is dumb, but not as dumb and damaging as 17th Amendment.
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:47:09 PM EDT
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This is dumb, but not as dumb and damaging as 17th Amendment. The Senate was intended to represent the state governments, not the people of each state. The people already have their own representatives; the states should have theirs, too. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:47:39 PM EDT
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Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it.
I'm pretty sure this is being watched. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:51:20 PM EDT
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Lifelong Oregonian here. This is the first I have heard if this. My first thought was that my vote doesn't make much of a difference now, this just makes it less so. But when I think about it, you are right. Republicans seem to have no chance in Oregon, at least this has the option of the votes going against Portland and Eugene. I would actually LOVE to see the backlash on this on some Tuesday in November. The locals and our media would melt down if the popular vote was R and therefore Oregon EC vote went R. I like it. |
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Posted: 6/20/2017 11:54:20 PM EDT
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Modern liberals don't believe in Federalism. There are no borders. There are no States. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Worst idea ever. Potentially disenfranchises a majority of your state's voters by allowing EC votes to be determined by events outside of the state. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 12:07:45 AM EDT
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The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president. If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional. Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill. As things stand now there is no entity charged with that task because there is no nationwide election for the presidency. How would recounts be adjudicated? Who would have standing to challenge the outcome? None of those questions have been addressed by the NPV cucks. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 12:19:17 AM EDT
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Who would be responsible for tallying the "popular vote nationwide?" CNN? MSNBC? Some guy in his mom's basement with an old Texas Instruments calculator? As things stand now there is no entity charged with that task because there is no nationwide election for the presidency. How would recounts be adjudicated? Who would have standing to challenge the outcome? None of those questions have been addressed by the NPV cucks. In the past disputes about the vote totals have gone to the federal courts, which is where they would go in the future. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 12:20:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The president is elected by the states, not the people, and the states are free to vote for whichever candidate they want for president. If the majority of Oregonians, through their elected state representatives, say they want their electors to vote for whichever candidate wins the majority of the popular vote nationwide then that is perfectly constitutional. Now, it won't work out the way they think it will when Trump wins a majority of the popular vote in 2020, but there's nothing inherently unconstitutional about this bill. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 12:33:10 AM EDT
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No offense but that is not correct, the fed makes the rules. |
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Posted: 6/21/2017 3:09:06 AM EDT
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Next, they should change their state motto from "Alis volat propriis" to "Vulgus regula"...
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Posted: 6/21/2017 3:11:56 AM EDT
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Same. It would be epic. I'm on board. |
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Posted: 6/25/2017 9:42:26 AM EDT
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That's fine, states are allowed to assign their votes any way they want.
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