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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:09:17 PM EDT
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USA has had 70+ years of being on top of the world due to the blood shed by American patriots in WWII.
It is a pity that the grandchildren of those patriots are slowly throwing it all away for leftist theories that don't work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:10:45 PM EDT
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The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars. The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated. Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years. Result: Wimp City.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:14:20 PM EDT
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To each there comes in their lifetime a special moment when they are figuratively tapped on the shoulder and offered the chance to do a very special thing, unique to them and fitted to their talents. What a tragedy if that moment finds them unprepared or unqualified for that which could have been their finest hour
Winston Churchill The men and women who led through the war, reconstruction, and post war met their goals. Their kids, werent so impressive. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:18:42 PM EDT
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OP nails it.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:33:50 PM EDT
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Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years.
At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 10:46:09 PM EDT
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Those that ignore history are doomed to repeat it, those that remember history are doomed to watch others repeat it (or some such)
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:37:22 PM EDT
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The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars. The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated. Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years. Result: Wimp City. Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor. I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause. More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:40:30 PM EDT
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The United States did a great deal to end the war sooner and rebuild the world after the war. Not a waste, it was an historic transformation of the world, and for the better.
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:48:35 PM EDT
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So, OP, how long do you think the 'results' of a war last?
5 years? 10? 50? 100? 200? 1000? How do you think the US would have faired since 1945 if Germany controlled Europe and Japan controlled the Pacific rim? |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:51:50 PM EDT
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USA has had 70+ years of It is a pity that the grandchildren of those patriots are slowly throwing it all away for leftist theories that don't work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:52:39 PM EDT
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France gave us a great gift, they assisted us in getting our Freedom.
When the time came to return the favor, 450,000 Americans paid in blood for the sake of liberty, freedom, and self determination. What we did was right, and it was just. What they chose to do with their second chance is on them. At least it was their decision, and not the decision of a tyrant. 
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:53:39 PM EDT
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At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though. |
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Posted: 4/17/2017 11:59:29 PM EDT
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Nuking a punch of peasants didn't get anyone back for anything, nor did killing a bunch of ISIS-like assholes looking for a reason to die in battle. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 12:00:59 AM EDT
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WWI was a bigger waste by any stretch of the imagination.
WWII is really just WWI part deux, and a result of the mistakes made in WWI Chief among them are: the Germans exporting Lenin to Destabilize the Tsar... ooops French and British dismembering the Sorta-Secular Ottomans and drawing up countries with no regard to anything that would create a stable region. Japanese, Italians, Turks and Germans getting hosed at Versailles |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 12:06:52 AM EDT
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Before we got into the fight:
The Empire of Japan was swallowing the Far East The UK was in seriously bad shape. Had Hitler been able to concentrate on the Russians (as opposed to dividing his resources between two fronts), that would've turned out much differently. Hitler probably would've gotten nukes, and used them on London, Moscow, etc And (eventually, possibly) New York, Washington DC, etc Without American blood and treasure, the outcome of the war would've been much different. For all participants. We literally saved the world |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 1:48:38 AM EDT
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The blood of WWII was not wasted! The rest of the free world and the U.S are still benefiting, but were coasting and coming towards a problem (more with socialism), but also Islam.
The main lesson is to finish things the first time. Patton, MacArthur etc. were right. We should have taken care of Soviet Union. We should have intervened and prevented communist China. Barring that, we should have taken care of Korea. However, we were rebuilding the world and the world was transformed for the better very quickly. Much more wealthy with a better quality of life than before. This lead to people being complacent, subsequent generations being spoiled, and providing the rich fertile ground for the socialism to flourish (it was already here). |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 1:54:17 AM EDT
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The United States did a great deal to end the war sooner and rebuild the world after the war. Not a waste, it was an historic transformation of the world, and for the better. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:00:54 AM EDT
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Nuking a punch of peasants didn't get anyone back for anything, nor did killing a bunch of ISIS-like assholes looking for a reason to die in battle. 
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:06:17 AM EDT
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WWI was a bigger waste by any stretch of the imagination. WWII is really just WWI part deux, and a result of the mistakes made in WWI Chief among them are: the Germans exporting Lenin to Destabilize the Tsar... ooops French and British dismembering the Sorta-Secular Ottomans and drawing up countries with no regard to anything that would create a stable region. Japanese, Italians, Turks and Germans getting hosed at Versailles |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:11:24 AM EDT
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Hitler did know and he openly lamented that the west was Christian and not Islamic. He had to wage war within the confines of a Christian Europe and Germany and in his twisted mind I'm sure he thought that it probably cost him the war the vile bastard.
Just wait OP, you aint seen nothing yet. Turkey just gave its President complete power. He can disolve the Parliment if he so chooses. Wiping out a century of diplomacy and secular democratic rule. They won't be sitting out the next one like WWII. Count on it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:14:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:16:39 AM EDT
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Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles. Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US) Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:26:38 AM EDT
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No, it wasn't a waste... What was a waste is that after WWII we had the World in our hands and totally fucked it up, I'm not saying we should have attacked the Soviet Union/Russia... But, damn, the Allies freed the fuck out of Europe and we let other Countries fall under the control of the same thing the Allies fought against. We should have armed the Germans, armed the Japanese, and fucked up anyone who didn't want to play nice. of course, I'm slightly drunk, so.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:31:57 AM EDT
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Well I rolled the Turkish dismemberment into the Versailles thing, it was Sevres that did that. Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US) Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles. Japan wasn't hosed, but the Shandong Problem contributed to WW2, and the Washington Naval Treaty gave 'em a good screwing (in their view, despite likely not being able to produce 1:1 with the Brits or the US) Italy getting snubbed directly led to Mussolini and the alliance with Germany for Round 2. Side note: I have a report written by one of the wife's great uncles, who was present during the negotiations which produced the ToV, which spells out in rather dry economic detail exactly how the treaty was setting up WWII, which he composed a couple months before it was signed. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:38:29 AM EDT
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I'm not sure this holds up to close examination as the sole, or even a major, cause. Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor. I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause. More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:44:58 AM EDT
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All.of European war history doesn't even come close to the death toll of ww1 and ww2... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not sure this holds up to close examination as the sole, or even a major, cause. Europe has been at war with itself pretty much since the beginning of time. Many of those wars were incredibly destructive, with huge loss of life relative to the population and a devastated infrastructure, yet a generation later (or even less), they were right back at it with equal or greater fervor. I postulate that there's more going on here than simply high casualties, and I believe the real cause is communism / socialism destroying the fabric of society. The end result is the same as you note above (beta males breed), but I think it has a different cause. More historically literate folks, please correct me where I err. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:48:51 AM EDT
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Well, ignoring the current Muslim invasion, we did back the communists to help them take over half of Europe. The communists managed to be worse than the Nazis, so there's that.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:50:58 AM EDT
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We should have totally wiped out communism after WW2
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:54:17 AM EDT
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Say what? I mean, the Italians didn't get what they wanted, but I wouldn't call it hosed. And Japan did pretty well out of it. And the Turks were not involved with the Treaty of Versailles. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 2:56:33 AM EDT
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Hey...now you got me questioning the VN War.
Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:13:19 AM EDT
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We should have totally wiped out communism after WW2 "I believe that Germany should not be destroyed, but rather should be rebuilt as a buffer against the real danger, which is Russia and it’s Bolshevism." "Let’s keep our boots polished, bayonets sharpened,and present a picture of force and strength to the Russians. This is the only language that they understand and respect. If you fail to do this , then I would like to say that we have had a victory over the Germans, and have disarmed them,but we have lost the war." |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:17:35 AM EDT
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Hey...now you got me questioning the VN War. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:24:34 AM EDT
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A lot of people weak on their WW2 history in this thread.
And you could say it was kinda for naught, apart from smearing Japan. We only fought Germany because of they declared war on us because of their alliance with Japan. There wouldn't have been a WW2 if the Europeans hadn't been so greedy when setting the terms for ending WW1. And by the way, we almost joined Germany instead during WW1. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:28:21 AM EDT
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I'd say we've thrown away most of the sacrifice in the fight for survival of our freedomly ways.
I'm talking of course about the First Crusade (at the very least). Muslims were a newish thing at the time, violently exapnding and taking Christian land by force, killing, force converting, etc. They held Spain, Greece, Italy, and a lot of what's east of those. The invaders were on the way and they had to unite or die. The Byzantines and Pope saw this, then too did the local lords, and so did the people. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:30:31 AM EDT
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A lot of people weak on their WW2 history in this thread. And you could say it was kinda for naught, apart from smearing Japan. We only fought Germany because of they declared war on us because of their alliance with Japan. There wouldn't have been a WW2 if the Europeans hadn't been so greedy when setting the terms for ending WW1. And by the way, we almost joined Germany instead during WW1. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:31:04 AM EDT
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Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years. At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though. The Russians did the worst of the fighting, and we kinda helped swoop in to reclaim countries for their old rulers. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:33:29 AM EDT
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Perhaps very very early on but that's a stretch. The US did have a large number of German immigrants but I can't see the US remotely leaning that way post Belgium, let alone all the $ we were making from the Allies and those pesky occasional U-boats killing Americans. But there was no 'good' or 'evil' to us at that point. What people think of them now during WW1 is mostly nothing (because most know nothing), but what is there is mostly propaganda. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:37:22 AM EDT
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Now if someone can explain to me how we became so cozy with China after close to open ground warfare with them more recent than WW1 or WW2. We lost thousands of soldiers to theirs, while they lost hundreds of thousands to ours.
Yet no one even knows we fought them... We should be pissed at them, but we pretend like they are so great. We even let them try to crash our currency, rip off all our companies, and sink our economy and society. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:43:50 AM EDT
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Now if someone can explain to me how we became so cozy with China after close to open ground warfare with them more recent than WW1 or WW2. We lost thousands of soldiers to theirs, while they lost hundreds of thousands to ours. Yet no one even knows we fought them... We should be pissed at them, but we pretend like they are so great. We even let them try to crash our currency, rip off all our companies, and sink our economy and society. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 3:55:00 AM EDT
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I'm sorry, but that is the shortest sided thing I've read in a while OP.
In the least, YOU are functioning in your life/existence because of all those strong men and women that sacrificed everything. Next time you are on an interstate or drink clean water, you should think of them. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 4:10:21 AM EDT
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Uh, what? I'd think it is pretty common knowledge. ETA: 
Because it saddens me. Certainly no one my age knows it hardly. (26y/o) |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 5:41:00 AM EDT
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The warrior blood of Europe has been drained and diluted over the last 100 years by 2 world wars. The true warriors were mostly killed in battle, or exterminated. Thus, the beta class of male was the primary breeder for the last 50+ years. Result: Wimp City. 
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Posted: 4/18/2017 5:53:42 AM EDT
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It became a complete waste once the first mitsubishi touched our soil. Now we're trillions in debt to communist china. Might have been good at time, but any benefit was long since pissed into the wind.
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Posted: 4/18/2017 5:55:05 AM EDT
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Basically we helped mass murdering oppressive lunatic A beat mass-murdering oppressive lunatic B, only to have lunatic A turn on us and control half of Europe under the curtain of communism for 50 years. At least we got the japs back for Pearl Harbor, though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 7:32:10 AM EDT
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Then you'd be very wrong. ETA:
Because it saddens me. Certainly no one my age knows it hardly. (26y/o) Maybe some retards don't know but they are the type that wouldn't pay attention to anything important in school anyways regardless of curriculum. |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 7:37:13 AM EDT
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You should, Uncle Ho wanted to be on our side... Whole thing could have been avoided. But, honestly, SE Asia was/is a bunch of corrupt little motherfuckers and Communism is probably what they needed. Give VN credit, they went into Cambodia and fucked up the KR. And afterall there was suppose to be an election in 1956 that could have gone a long way towards healing the rift between the North and South. Unfortunately, the election of 1955 was full of corruption. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Vietnam_referendum,_1955 Could the US have walked away......if the election of 1956 had taken place? Yup, Uncle HO was a communist and probably he needed to die before the USA would go along with a reunited VN. 
Anyway, today.....Nike and all of those other US companies working with the commies in VN don't care. As long as American companies can make money and Americans can buy cheap. Who really cares? So then.....what if the Korea reunification question were to be decided in the same way (a vote by the people of the two Koreas)? Does the KIM dynasty have to end first? Should I care, should we send our sons and daughters to fight? Afterall, I can foresee that 20 years after the war we will all be buying from the NEW KOREA. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/18/2017 7:39:15 AM EDT
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It is truly unbelievable what is happening in Europe today in regard to their Muslim crisis. In England and Germany you can be thrown in JAIL for criticizing the governments immigration policies, the Muslim invasion, or Islam in GENERAL. Ummm, nope |
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