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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:26:46 PM EDT
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Don't
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:27:14 PM EDT
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Why do you want to decock it?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:27:18 PM EDT
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To what end?
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:29:18 PM EDT
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I am talking specifically about something like a CZ75, but any tips will do. Thanks in advance! If your trying to just store it hammer down. Empty chamber pull trigger. if your trying to carry hammer down... don't. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:30:38 PM EDT
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Why do you want to decock it? Well, for example, the CZ75 can be carried with the hammer down for a double action first shot, or cocked and locked for single action with every shot. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:31:35 PM EDT
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Take NRA basic pistol class.
place non-firing hand thumb in front of hammer squeeze trigger and ride hammer down with firing hand thumb move blocking thumb out of way when hammer is in controlled descent edit- squeeze trigger enough to release hammer, then allow trigger to reset. A lot of guns have safeties that prevent firing unless trigger is held to the rear. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:32:41 PM EDT
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Don't Are you saying that there is no truly safe way to do it? What then would be the point of the double action capability? Is that JUST a re-strike capability in the event of a light strike? Again, not challenging you, I am trying to learn. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:32:52 PM EDT
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The answer is going to be "restrain the hammer, pull trigger, allow hammer hooks to fall below the sear, release trigger (which re-engages firing pin block if "post-B") and allow hammer to rest at half-cock".
And yes, while one could probably do this thousands of times and never fail, the fact is it is NOT as safe as using a decocker which is inherently more reliable than humans are and ALSO never disengages the firing pin block. Basically, you asked "safest". In in the end how "safe" it is depends on how "safe" you consider it to be. Nobody can give you hard numbers as to failure rates in regard to something like this, it's all opinion. In my opinion, people fail WAY more often than (often redundant) machines do. I would never decock a pistol manually with a live round in the chamber outside a range type environment. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:32:58 PM EDT
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I don't understand this. If you don't trust the hardware, don't buy it. If there isn't a decocker, don't decock it.
Before you shoot yourself trying to decock a pistol without a decocker 1. Ensure safety is engaged with finger off trigger. 2. Eject magazine. 3. Manipulate action to Eject round for chamber. 4. Visually and physically inspect maxwell and chamber for ammunition. 5. Send slide home on empty chamber and pull trigger while maintaining positive control of hammer , while pointing in a safe direction. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:33:25 PM EDT
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If your trying to just store it hammer down. Empty chamber pull trigger. if your trying to carry hammer down... don't. Okay, thanks. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:33:26 PM EDT
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Don't Some would argue there are NO safe ways to do it. Even if you do it safely somehow, you are left in the absolute worst condition a firearm can be. Round in the chamber, hammer down. In order to fire, you have to manually manipulate the hammer back (hoping you don't accidentally let go of it halfway down and it drops, sets your round off, and the slide takes off your thumb), then readjust your grip to get a good hold and fire. You want to decock? Get a gun that decocks. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:34:12 PM EDT
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For everyone calling this stupid, hammer fully down is mandatory for USPSA Production. Over 50% of guns used at Production Nationals were DA/SA guns that require manual decocking (CZ and Tanfoglio).
Do it this way.  Failed To Load Title ETA Apparently, can't see youtube vids with the update. Here's a hotlink https://youtu.be/EC6fydtKwRc Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:35:11 PM EDT
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Drop hammer on finger /thumb. It should not fire when it goes the rest of the way. Point it in a safe direction when you do this anyway.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:37:06 PM EDT
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The answer is going to be "restrain the hammer, pull trigger, allow hammer hooks to fall below the sear, release trigger (which re-engages firing pin block if "post-B") and allow hammer to rest at half-cock". And yes, while one could probably do this thousands of times and never fail, the fact is it is NOT as safe as using a decocker which is inherently more reliable than humans are and ALSO never disengages the firing pin block. Basically, you asked "safest". In in the end how "safe" it is depends on how "safe" you consider it to be. Nobody can give you hard numbers as to failure rates in regard to something like this, it's all opinion. In my opinion, people fail WAY more often than (often redundant) machines do. I would never decock a pistol manually with a live round in the chamber outside a range type environment. Okay, excellent answer. I appreciate you taking the time to educate me, and I will follow your advice. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:37:54 PM EDT
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Are you saying that there is no truly safe way to do it? What then would be the point of the double action capability? Is that JUST a re-strike capability in the event of a light strike? Again, not challenging you, I am trying to learn. You can decock the pistol and carry it hammer down, but there's not a reliable, truly safe way to do it, unless you have the decocker model. The safest way I know of would be to block the hammer's travel with your finger and grasp the hammer while pulling the trigger. But that's still not a fully safe way to do it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:43:21 PM EDT
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You can decock the pistol and carry it hammer down, but there's not a reliable, truly safe way to do it, unless you have the decocker model. The safest way I know of would be to block the hammer's travel with your finger and grasp the hammer while pulling the trigger. But that's still not a fully safe way to do it. Understood, and I appreciate you (and everyone else) taking the time to help me. I will just ensure I purchase a weapon with a decocker. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:44:12 PM EDT
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I am talking specifically about something like a CZ75, but any tips will do. Thanks in advance! CZ75 has a decocker. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:45:05 PM EDT
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Okay, thanks. As others have said, carry the pistol as it was intended. If it doesn't have a decocker, don't carry it hammer down. A decocked pistol typically has as many safety's in the way of discharge as a cocked and locked single action pistol designed to be carried so. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:45:23 PM EDT
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Unload the pistol.
That means the magazine is removed and the round in the chamber is ejected. Look in the chamber to verify it is clear. Pinch the hammer between the thumb and forefinger of the off hand, hold the hammer so it won't fall. Pull the trigger while easing the hammer down. Not rocket science, just plain old standard auto loading pistol operation. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:46:16 PM EDT
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Drop mag, clear chamber, clear chamber, clear chamber, point in safe direction and pull trigger.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:48:15 PM EDT
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CZ75 has a decocker. Depends which one. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:48:51 PM EDT
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Understood, and I appreciate you (and everyone else) taking the time to help me. I will just ensure I purchase a weapon with a decocker. No problem. They have CZ75s with decockers. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:50:28 PM EDT
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Buy a Glock.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:50:43 PM EDT
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Decocking is perfectly acceptable. Load it outside or use a clearing barrel if necessary to decock it. Then keep it holstered or locked up while not wearing it. You can google CZ-75B manual for their specific procedures as an example. It's perfectly safe and within manufacturers guidance to do this. It just takes following the right safety precautions and procedures. If you can't follow these basic guidelines then I wish you good luck. There are other threads that discuss this in detail.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:51:11 PM EDT
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I drop the hammer on my finger , that's the way they teach you to do it in competition.
I don't think it's wise to do it anywhere but at a range. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:55:28 PM EDT
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QFT Some would argue there are NO safe ways to do it. Even if you do it safely somehow, you are left in the absolute worst condition a firearm can be. Round in the chamber, hammer down. In order to fire, you have to manually manipulate the hammer back (hoping you don't accidentally let go of it halfway down and it drops, sets your round off, and the slide takes off your thumb), then readjust your grip to get a good hold and fire. You want to decock? Get a gun that decocks. No, what you posted is almost totally incorrect, most of the CZ75s are DA/SA pistols. You just pull the trigger to fire it when it's decocked. OP there are a few methods. The easiest and arguably the safest is to insert your support hand thumb between the hammer and firing pin. Pull the trigger, then roll your thumb out of the way to slowly drop the hammer without firing the chambered round. ETA: Exactly like the method in the video SV650Squid posted. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:58:28 PM EDT
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Take NRA basic pistol class. place non-firing hand thumb in front of hammer squeeze trigger and ride hammer down with firing hand thumb move blocking thumb out of way when hammer is in controlled descent edit- squeeze trigger enough to release hammer, then allow trigger to reset. A lot of guns have safeties that prevent firing unless trigger is held to the rear. This is a terrible idea. Unload the pistol. NEVER ride the hammer on a pistol with a round in the chamber. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 3:59:38 PM EDT
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Quoted directly from the manual on the CZ-USA website:
Decocking
The version equipped with a manual safety is not covered in this section! MAKE SURE THE PISTOL IS POINTED IN A SAFE DIRECTION and thumb down the decocking control lever (Fig. 7). 25 Pressing down the decocking control lever actuates the lowering of the hammer from the cocked position to the hammer safety notch position, without any need to pull the trigger. Even if there is a cartridge in the chamber the pistol is (hammer decocked) safe for all normal handling in this state, and ready for immediate use in a Double Action mode of fire. Not trying to be argumentative, but even CZ recognizes that this is not safe. I realize older manuals did have a paragraph giving instructions on how to decock a manual-safety pistol. It wasn't a good idea then and it's not now...it just apparently took some time to realize it. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:05:33 PM EDT
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OP, unless you want to risk an ND I'd strongly urge you not to decock loaded firearms if they do not have a decocker. But if you want to become a learning oppurtunity....that's your business.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:19:19 PM EDT
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I get the usual firing grip with the strong hand, pinch the hammer between the thumb and middle finger of the weak hand with the tip of the index finger between the hammer and frame. Lower the hammer in a controlled manner withdrawing the index finger as I do.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:27:15 PM EDT
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I get the usual firing grip with the strong hand, pinch the hammer between the thumb and middle finger of the weak hand with the tip of the index finger between the hammer and frame. Lower the hammer in a controlled manner withdrawing the index finger as I do. This - Ask all the CZ shooters in production division at a USPSA match. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:35:36 PM EDT
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Step 1: Acquire heat lamp.
Step 2: Remove trousers. Step 3: Apply heat lamp to crotch area until testicles descend. Step 4: Carry the damned thing in condition 1 like God intended. Step 5: Profit. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:36:29 PM EDT
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Buy a Glock. I do not shoot Glocks as well as I shoot double / single action designs. For example, I can regularly shoot 1.5" or smaller 7yrd groups with my Bersa, and I rented a couple CZ pistols last week and managed the same, but when I use my wife's Shield or a rented Glock 19 and Glock 26 my groups were averaging twice that. I understand that this is probably good enough (and that the fault is entirely my own), but I just feel as though the CZ pistols really fit my hand well. That said, I am considering the gen4 Glock 19 if for no other reason than that I can actually get one, and parts and magazines are everywhere. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:38:27 PM EDT
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Oh, and by the way, the slide does not have enough energy to take your thumb off.
Brace the slide with your thumb the next time you go to the firing range to prove it to yourself. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:38:38 PM EDT
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No, what you posted is almost totally incorrect, most of the CZ75s are DA/SA pistols. You just pull the trigger to fire it when it's decocked. OP there are a few methods. The easiest and arguably the safest is to insert your support hand thumb between the hammer and firing pin. Pull the trigger, then roll your thumb out of the way to slowly drop the hammer without firing the chambered round. ETA: Exactly like the method in the video SV650Squid posted. Understood. But it probably would be best just to buy one with the decocker. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:48:54 PM EDT
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The responses in this thread are retarded.
I shot an SP01 Shadow in USPSA Production division for a couple years. Thousands of others shoot these also. You have to manually decock hammer to start due to division rules. I personally pinch the hammer with my index finger and thumb on my left hand (I'm right handed) and pull the trigger. Have done it literally a thousand times. It's not a big deal. ETA-I also carry a P07. I have it configured with the safety on rather than the decocker. I prefer to carry the gun at half-cock rather than cocked and locked. I drop the hammer the same way but drop it to half cock. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 4:56:22 PM EDT
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QFT Some would argue there are NO safe ways to do it. Even if you do it safely somehow, you are left in the absolute worst condition a firearm can be. Round in the chamber, hammer down. In order to fire, you have to manually manipulate the hammer back (hoping you don't accidentally let go of it halfway down and it drops, sets your round off, and the slide takes off your thumb), then readjust your grip to get a good hold and fire. You want to decock? Get a gun that decocks. The cz75 is da/sa. It is perfectly ok to carry hammer down, you do not need to manually cock it, and it is a intended design. They didn't include a decocker, but the pistol is designed to be carried da/sa. Its not the best design out there because it is inherently less safe than decocker pistols, but in the CZ's case, it is the only way to carry it with both a loaded chamber and in DA mode. Its one of my biggest complaints with those.....always made me feel hinky to get them into double action mode. Otherwise they are sweet shooters if not a little heavy for a 9mm. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 5:00:21 PM EDT
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It already been stated, in USPSA, you have to lower the hammer on a loaded chamber before starting your stage. The CZ75 with safety don't not have a decocker and the hammer is pinched with the weak hand and the hammer is lowered before holstering your weapon. Im in the habit of wiping my fingers on my pant leg before decocking.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 5:40:02 PM EDT
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Very carefully and very slowly. Happens a 1000 times at a USPSA match. Just know there is a chance it can fire.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:34:13 PM EDT
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In this case you are wrong. The cz75 is da/sa. It is perfectly ok to carry hammer down, you do not need to manually cock it, and it is a intended design. They didn't include a decocker, but the pistol is designed to be carried da/sa. Its not the best design out there because it is inherently less safe than decocker pistols, but in the CZ's case, it is the only way to carry it with both a loaded chamber and in DA mode. Its one of my biggest complaints with those.....always made me feel hinky to get them into double action mode. Otherwise they are sweet shooters if not a little heavy for a 9mm. Or you can just get a model with a fucking decocker. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:47:51 PM EDT
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For everyone calling this stupid, hammer fully down is mandatory for USPSA Production. Over 50% of guns used at Production Nationals were DA/SA guns that require manual decocking (CZ and Tanfoglio). Do it this way.  Attached Filehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6fydtKwRc ETA Apparently, can't see youtube vids with the update. Here's a hotlink https://youtu.be/EC6fydtKwRc Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:48:45 PM EDT
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... FPNI
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:53:00 PM EDT
[#43]
glock 19
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Posted: 12/20/2016 7:59:17 PM EDT
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For everyone calling this stupid, hammer fully down is mandatory for USPSA Production. Over 50% of guns used at Production Nationals were DA/SA guns that require manual decocking (CZ and Tanfoglio). Do it this way.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6fydtKwRc
ETA Apparently, can't see youtube vids with the update. Here's a hotlink https://youtu.be/EC6fydtKwRc Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. OP, this is the most useful post in the entire thread. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:05:03 PM EDT
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I'll have to try that. I always did the finger pinch method Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For everyone calling this stupid, hammer fully down is mandatory for USPSA Production. Over 50% of guns used at Production Nationals were DA/SA guns that require manual decocking (CZ and Tanfoglio). Do it this way. /media/mediaFiles/no-thumb.jpg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6fydtKwRc ETA Apparently, can't see youtube vids with the update. Here's a hotlink https://youtu.be/EC6fydtKwRc Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. Good way to screw up a $150 acrylic nail job. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:07:35 PM EDT
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OP, this is the most useful post in the entire thread. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For everyone calling this stupid, hammer fully down is mandatory for USPSA Production. Over 50% of guns used at Production Nationals were DA/SA guns that require manual decocking (CZ and Tanfoglio). Do it this way. Attached Filehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EC6fydtKwRc ETA Apparently, can't see youtube vids with the update. Here's a hotlink https://youtu.be/EC6fydtKwRc Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. OP, this is the most useful post in the entire thread. Yes worth noting his last line: Also, the ONLY reason I would advocate doing this is to fall within the rules of a game, such as USPSA or (blech) IDPA. There is no functional advantage to doing it to a properly carried pistol outside of games. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:13:43 PM EDT
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Don't get caught behind/under the hammer.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:14:47 PM EDT
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oops.
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:19:05 PM EDT
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Oh, and by the way, the slide does not have enough energy to take your thumb off. Brace the slide with your thumb the next time you go to the firing range to prove it to yourself. I was looking for this. As much energy as a slide seems like it has when it is fired, it can easily be held in place with nothing more than a firm thumb placed on the back of the slide. It will NOT take your thumb off. |
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Posted: 12/20/2016 8:22:49 PM EDT
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This is a necessary skill to have. How would the bad guy know you mean business unless you can cock the hammer back at the appropriate time?
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