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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:34:08 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Help me understand. You were not put upon this earth to "get it". |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:35:01 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Why is there a need for the existence of punishable crimes that have no victim of that crime? How does carrying a weapon with no permit become a crime? For that matter, how does using drugs in your own home become a crime? Help me understand. this is easy.. to get citizens to behave in ways that society desires and to prevent citizens from doing things that society finds distasteful. also to provide some level of control over certain segments of society to insure conformance to standards. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:36:20 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Why is there a need for the existence of punishable crimes that have no victim of that crime? How does carrying a weapon with no permit become a crime? For that matter, how does using drugs in your own home become a crime? Help me understand. It hinges on what is deemed an acceptable risk. Some of these crimes do not add up, you are right. Other apparently victimless crimes have wider implications and impacts, and are subject to legal restriction. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:36:48 PM EDT
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There's always a victim.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:38:21 PM EDT
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In a lot of cases it's one group imposing their morality on the rest of the population.
I agree with some of them and disagree with most of them. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:39:04 PM EDT
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Look.....prostitution is illegal because if it weren't, marriage would be a thing of the past.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:39:45 PM EDT
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Because there's only one avenue other people have to boss you around without risk of getting punched in the nose for their trouble. Government. You may not have noticed, but humans LOVE to boss eachother around.
Any legislator who proposes more than 2 new laws (or amendments to existing laws) in their career should be sterilized. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:40:14 PM EDT
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Look.....prostitution is illegal because if it weren't, marriage would be a thing of the past. Are there still marriages in Nevada? |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:40:26 PM EDT
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It's legal to sell stuff.
It's legal to fuck. Why is it illegal to sell a good fuck? |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:41:29 PM EDT
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It's legal to sell stuff. It's legal to fuck. Why is it illegal to sell a good fuck? Pornography isn't generally illegal. You can pay someone to fuck... so long as you're just paying them to "act" in a film. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:42:35 PM EDT
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Lawyers, posing as legislators, pass 'laws' to give the DA a more effective toolbox in case someone does something they don't approve of.
Hence, why we have way too many fucking 'laws'. Its a protection racket to line their pockets at our expense. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:42:39 PM EDT
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To generate revenue
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:42:50 PM EDT
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Pornography isn't generally illegal. You can pay someone to fuck... so long as you're just paying them to "act" in a film. So, Patrick Bateman was doing it right then! |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:44:04 PM EDT
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It's legal to sell stuff. It's legal to fuck. Why is it illegal to sell a good fuck? You can't go selling something, but it's totally acceptable to give it away for free. Or pay people to do it if cameras are present. 
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:44:18 PM EDT
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You were not put upon this earth to "get it". I know right! Thankfully we have people like you to unquestionably enforce arbitrary rules...since I'm sure you know what's best for us. I feel safer already. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:46:31 PM EDT
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It's legal to sell stuff. It's legal to fuck. Why is it illegal to sell a good fuck? Because the gov't. hasn't found an effective way to collect a tax on it. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:48:36 PM EDT
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It hinges on what is deemed an acceptable risk. Some of these crimes do not add up, you are right. Other apparently victimless crimes have wider implications and impacts, and are subject to legal restriction. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't get it. Why is there a need for the existence of punishable crimes that have no victim of that crime? How does carrying a weapon with no permit become a crime? For that matter, how does using drugs in your own home become a crime? Help me understand. It hinges on what is deemed an acceptable risk. Some of these crimes do not add up, you are right. Other apparently victimless crimes have wider implications and impacts, and are subject to legal restriction. Generally, this. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:50:03 PM EDT
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How would government keep growing more powerful if they stop making laws that restrict people?
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:50:04 PM EDT
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politicians pandering to the public that they're 'tough on crime'
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:52:00 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:52:48 PM EDT
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Government, acting as the proxy for "society," is the default victim, and deems itself deserving of restitution. This recompense is coerced from the perceived perpetrator at the threat of imprisonment.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 1:59:28 PM EDT
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How would government keep growing more powerful if they stop making laws that restrict people? Government is a function of society. Both are weakened by poor lawmaking. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:04:59 PM EDT
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Government is a function of society. Both are weakened by poor lawmaking. Yeah. Tell us more about how Brexit is going. Big government operates independently of societal viewpoints. The "people" are the losers in this game. They give, in return for their generosity, even more is taken. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Law makers gonna law make.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:11:27 PM EDT
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Look.....prostitution is illegal because if it weren't, marriage would be a thing of the past. Prostitution is legal in New Zealand Australia Austria Belgium Brazil CANADA Denmark France Germany Greece Netherlands Japan I am assuming none of these countries have marriages. BECAUSE SEX IS NOT THE ONLY REASON FOR MARRIAGE have you hear of love? guess not |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:13:06 PM EDT
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Prostitution is legal in New Zealand Australia Austria Belgium Brazil CANADA Denmark France Germany Greece Netherlands Japan I am assuming none of these countries have marriages Ironically (or not, depending on your viewpoint) outside of Brazil none of these countries are reproducing with native populations at a positive rate. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:14:27 PM EDT
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Ironically (or not, depending on your viewpoint) outside of Brazil none of these countries are reproducing with native populations at a positive rate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Prostitution is legal in New Zealand Australia Austria Belgium Brazil CANADA Denmark France Germany Greece Netherlands Japan I am assuming none of these countries have marriages Ironically (or not, depending on your viewpoint) outside of Brazil none of these countries are reproducing with native populations at a positive rate. native birthrate decline as income and standard of living increase |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:15:02 PM EDT
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People get married in Nevada and prostitution is legal there.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:17:57 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Why is there a need for the existence of punishable crimes that have no victim of that crime? How does carrying a weapon with no permit become a crime? For that matter, how does using drugs in your own home become a crime? Why is gambling among consenting adults illegal? Help me understand. I think in some crimes where the "state" is the victim it's about revenue. But in other cases it's due to the other crimes that the "victimless" crimes lead to. Such as drug use. Drug use especially opiates, methamphetamine, and pills lead to large amount of crimes with legit victims. Theft is a huge crime committed by a meth head or heroin junkie. A lot of times the only way to catch and punish a thief is to catch them with felony drugs since they move the stolen property so fast you can't find it or locating enough evidence to secure a conviction by a jury trial is nearly impossible. I hate most victimless crimes but I have to remember that in the case of drugs the victimless crime might be the only crime we can do anything about knowing they are a burglary and theft suspect. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:19:59 PM EDT
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uhhhh do you even revenue generation bro? The "state" becomes the victim and you pay them for your "Crimes" via fines, and fees and *IF* you victimless crime is bad enough to get you jail time the federal government pays the state via additional funding and grants. It is all revenue generation, just not for you
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:20:04 PM EDT
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Because government needs to be involved in everything in order to justify its continued growth.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:20:17 PM EDT
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Government is a function of society. Both are weakened by poor lawmaking. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How would government keep growing more powerful if they stop making laws that restrict people? Government is a function of society. Both are weakened by poor lawmaking. you are wasting your time this forum doesn't grok nuance |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:26:56 PM EDT
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Control and revenue generation
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:28:01 PM EDT
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Because all societies are based on a moral code, an agreed upon set of values and mores which are often memorialized and enforced by law because that is what THEY WANT. When not enough people continue to share that moral code, the civilization either ends or it evolves into something else.
We are currently "evolving" from the moral code agreed upon largely at the founding of our nation- and in large measure responsible for it's ascendancy, into "something else". Remains to be seen whether that is a good or bad thing. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:31:52 PM EDT
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Because all societies are based on a moral code, an agreed upon set of values and mores which are often memorialized and enforced by law because that is what THEY WANT. When not enough people continue to share that moral code, the civilization either ends or it evolves into something else. We are currently "evolving" from the moral code agreed upon largely at the founding of our nation- and in large measure responsible for it's ascendancy, into "something else". Remains to be seen whether that is a good or bad thing. This is a logical answer. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:34:37 PM EDT
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Wasn't there a Jefferson quote about laws only being valid if there was a real victim?
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:35:39 PM EDT
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this is easy.. to get citizens to behave in ways that the Government elite desires and to prevent citizens from doing things that the Government elite finds distasteful. also to provide some level of control over certain segments of society to insure conformance to what the Government elite wants. FIFY |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:41:10 PM EDT
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Because all societies are based on a moral code, an agreed upon set of values and mores which are often memorialized and enforced by law because that is what THEY WANT. When not enough people continue to share that moral code, the civilization either ends or it evolves into something else. We are currently "evolving" from the moral code agreed upon largely at the founding of our nation- and in large measure responsible for it's ascendancy, into "something else". Remains to be seen whether that is a good or bad thing. Maybe we're evolving back to what the founders intended. To say the founders would have jumped on-board the last 100 years of nonsense is quite a stretch. "I say good man, that fuel can there, is that preban? I'll need to see your papers." 
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:42:31 PM EDT
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In a lot of cases it's one group imposing their morality on the rest of the population. I agree with some of them and disagree with most of them. This. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:45:00 PM EDT
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Are there still marriages in Nevada? Yes. Because there are guys out there that can't even get laid i a whorehouse with a stack of $100 bills in their hand. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:47:45 PM EDT
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They will say that the state is a "victim". Nevermind how you confront your accuser in that case.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:50:30 PM EDT
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Many of those laws exist because the "man" (big government) wants his cut...
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:51:30 PM EDT
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Wasn't there a Jefferson quote about laws only being valid if there was a real victim? Jefferson proposed a law in Virginia making sodomy punishable by castration. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:51:52 PM EDT
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Fucked up morality and role of the state.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 2:56:19 PM EDT
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Gambling among consenting adults is illegal only because the state is not getting a chance to collect money somehow.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:04:56 PM EDT
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Because government needs to be involved in everything in order to justify its continued growth. The majority of "moral" laws and "victimless crimes" legislation stems from an era of much smaller government. In fact, as these laws pass by the wayside, our government has become larger and more intrusive. But the 8th grade understanding of Heinlein is appreciated. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:14:32 PM EDT
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Maybe we're evolving back to what the founders intended. To say the founders would have jumped on-board the last 100 years of nonsense is quite a stretch. "I say good man, that fuel can there, is that preban? I'll need to see your papers." Yea, except we seem to be missing the "God" part....and NOBODY who has studied the least amount of history- outside of public grade school, can dispute that that was in very large measure a part of the original underpinning of this nations founding. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:16:11 PM EDT
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It's a way to make the revenue machine propel itself.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:25:22 PM EDT
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Yea, except we seem to be missing the "God" part....and NOBODY who has studied the least amount of history- outside of public grade school, can dispute that that was in very large measure a part of the original underpinning of this nations founding. How do you figure that? There's an all out assault on Christianity these days. If it didn't matter it wouldn't even get addressed. Never mind Trump just about started preaching at rallies. Stop listening to the media and the resident atheists here. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:25:28 PM EDT
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I don't get it. Why is there a need for the existence of punishable crimes that have no victim of that crime? How does carrying a weapon with no permit become a crime? For that matter, how does using drugs in your own home become a crime? Why is gambling among consenting adults illegal? Help me understand. Because "victimless" isn't really an accurate description. The user who is smoking crack in the privacy of his own home may still be harming others due to his addition, whether it's he's stealing from his neighbor to buy his drugs, neglecting his kids, or calling in sick all the time at work. Very little that we do really has zero impact on someone else. That's the nature of living in a social system. Having said all that, it's still a valid question to ask as to whether a certain act or behavior has sufficient impact on others so as to trigger legitimate governmental restriction. But simply trying to classify an act as "victimless" and then using that to argue your point is worthless. |
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