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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:00:04 AM EDT
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I've wondered the original question also.
The whole thing doesn't make sense. The inventor thinking that he's going to own the world with his idea, that does make sense. Taking too long to market. 6.8 was way ahead there. You can even buy pmags for them.... I've never heard of the lawsuit talk before. But that makes perfect sense too. Promising litigation is a great way to demotivate an industry to build on the idea. I asked a manufacturer once about doing a grendel. They just laughed sarcastically and said no thanks like I was an idiot. Now I know why. It's too bad. It has all the makings anyone could want. Mag length, common components, high BC, and a wolf load available. Anyone who threatens to sue people for just about anything outside of collections usually suck. Sometimes it's valid, and needed. But usually, your just a whinny dick. To me that automatically puts you in the asshole category. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:02:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6.8 was way ahead there. You can even buy pmags for them.... |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:02:56 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 That reminds me. I need to get my form and payment sent in. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:03:03 AM EDT
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Because $4.79 a box of wolf ammo for plinking is the best
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:03:38 AM EDT
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:04:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is so great about it that should make it more popular?  It's supersonic at 1000 yds!!!Only matters, realistically, ringing gongs. Less drop at longer ranges. Flat shooting round. If you aren't ringing gongs at 1000yds. The 6.8 handles all your average hunting needs, for cheaper. Plain, simple, and honest truth. Some others will tell you different. They may have excellent points...for their advanced skill set. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:05:56 AM EDT
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What do people recommend for magazines?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:06:13 AM EDT
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:08:13 AM EDT
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From my experience, Yes. I got in on the 16" group buy and received it with no issues. edit - forgot to quote lichter50 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. From my experience, Yes. I got in on the 16" group buy and received it with no issues. edit - forgot to quote lichter50 So did I. No problems.  Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:08:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because $4.79 a box of wolf ammo for plinking is the best I shot a couple hundred rounds of wolf 6.5. It sucked. Accuracy was horrible. It is blasting ammo only. Did not feel the need to keep running it through a JP barrel. *fyi the wolf ammo I had was 5-6 MOA through a 22" JP stainless barrel at 100yds. No thanks. YMMV. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:09:26 AM EDT
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I think Faxon will probably start offering them as regular items soon. As the market slows they'll have time to expand their product line. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market Faxon is in my neck of the woods and I've had them do work for me before. I don't think they do anything quickly.  They do very nice work, though...when they get around to it.
Full disclosure: I'm a little fish and they were more doing me a favor to do a couple one offs. Even at what they charged, it's not much worth their time. On the Grendel: In MHO, the AR bolt is not large enough for that size of case head. There's just not enough meat on the lugs for the margin of safety I'd like. Of course they get them to work. But you're a lot closer to the edge that I care to be. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:09:57 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 This has been calling to me for a pistol build truck gun......... And it doesn't help when ever I open my PP app it asks if I want to send Josh more $$... |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:11:03 AM EDT
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he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Until they dumped Motorola and went to Intel. Now they are just an expensive Linux machine with a nice screen. But I think you are correct. He thought he had the Holy Grail caliber and was going to use that to fund his evil lair. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:11:15 AM EDT
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What do people recommend for magazines? E-Lander mags sold by Alexander Arms. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:11:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And it doesn't help when ever I open my PP app it asks if I want to send Josh more $$... |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:12:30 AM EDT
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6.5 Grendel is an awesome hunting cartridge. 123gr bullet going 2500fps from an 18" barrel, stays above 1800fps out to 400+ yards. And in my experience, it drops animals extremely well. There aren't a whole hell of a lot of barrel manufacturers on board right now, but there's more and more popping up. It's gaining traction for sure.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:12:44 AM EDT
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Why do new cartridges seem to be designed largely by weird people with lousy business acumen and no people skills? I think they prefer the term 'engineer' 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:13:22 AM EDT
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he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple and for JDJones. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:13:27 AM EDT
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Alexander is an ass. Boom! the first post thing again. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:14:20 AM EDT
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What is the parent cartridge? Is it easy to form ammo cases for it?
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:14:23 AM EDT
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Because 6 point eight boyeeee 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:14:42 AM EDT
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On the Grendel: In MHO, the AR bolt is not large enough for that size of case head. There's just not enough meat on the lugs for the margin of safety I'd like. Of course they get them to work. But you're a lot closer to the edge that I care to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Faxon won't do anything but group buys and BA hasn't been quick to market On the Grendel: In MHO, the AR bolt is not large enough for that size of case head. There's just not enough meat on the lugs for the margin of safety I'd like. Of course they get them to work. But you're a lot closer to the edge that I care to be. It would be right at home in a CMMG Mutant or DPMS G2 for those that have concerns about the longevity of the AR15-sized bolt. I just wonder if the market would be there to support it. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:15:22 AM EDT
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So did I. No problems. http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h370/nick89302/20161108_165437_zpsizkkcred.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Those guys legit? I'm serious. Educate me. From my experience, Yes. I got in on the 16" group buy and received it with no issues. edit - forgot to quote lichter50 So did I. No problems. http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h370/nick89302/20161108_165437_zpsizkkcred.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How do you like the barrel so far? I've thought about building an upper with their 16" barrel as a backup to my current one. But I've also thought about building a 12" for shorter range stuff.....I need a bigger budget. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:15:25 AM EDT
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It's supersonic at 1000 yds!!!
Only matters, realistically, ringing gongs. Less drop at longer ranges. Flat shooting round. If you aren't ringing gongs at 1000yds. The 6.8 handles all your average hunting needs, for cheaper. Plain, simple, and honest truth. Some others will tell you different. They may have excellent points...for their advanced skill set. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? It's supersonic at 1000 yds!!!
Only matters, realistically, ringing gongs. Less drop at longer ranges. Flat shooting round. If you aren't ringing gongs at 1000yds. The 6.8 handles all your average hunting needs, for cheaper. Plain, simple, and honest truth. Some others will tell you different. They may have excellent points...for their advanced skill set. But I do the same with my 223 AR, it is super sonic to 1015 yds in standard conditions(18"). Not mag length loads though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:15:45 AM EDT
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Bill Alexander has a patent on the cartridge and you basically have to jump through is hoops to get licensed to build barrels for it. Hence the low number of manufactures. Le Baer came out with the .264LBC which from what I understand is the same thing as the 6.5 Grendel with a few minor tweeks to the case dimensions to get around the patent. From what I've read the two are close enough to be interchangeable. No. From what I gather the .264 LBC uses a x39 bolt. But I'm sure someone will be along to clarify/correct me |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:16:00 AM EDT
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A 6.5 bullet in a AR15 platform is pure fucking winning.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:17:36 AM EDT
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What is the parent cartridge? Is it easy to form ammo cases for it? It's possible to form cases from 7.62x39. I don't have that kind of time so I just plan on reloading the factory hornady cases once I shoot enough to make it worthwhile. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:17:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A 6.5 bullet in a AR15 platform is pure fucking winning.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:17:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What is the parent cartridge? Is it easy to form ammo cases for it? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:18:05 AM EDT
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I would like to try one but it feels a little overwhelming when you start looking at them
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to try one but it feels a little overwhelming when you start looking at them |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:19:38 AM EDT
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meh, 6mm PPC is much better..
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:20:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I would like to try one but it feels a little overwhelming when you start looking at them *go buy the JP barrel bolt combo.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:20:10 AM EDT
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What is the parent cartridge? Is it easy to form ammo cases for it? .221 Russian or something like that. You can fire form or hydroform brass 7.62x39 cases for it though. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:20:27 AM EDT
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I'm going to need 15 more people to go pay for some barrels. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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currently waiting on the 12" from the group buy. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?12700-Faxon-12-quot-6.5-Grendel-Group-Buy-155 Yeah I really should get on that.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:21:01 AM EDT
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Because it sucks in an AR, maybe? GTFO 
However, I wouldn't mind building a bolt gun with a detachable mag. Why build when you can buy? Or, use this as a base model? http://www.legacysports.com/wp-content/uploads/Howa_MiniAction_Highlander_High_Res-1024x350.png What's the price point on these? I'd be into a 20" H-Bar if they made one in Left Hand 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:21:03 AM EDT
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I would like to try one but it feels a little overwhelming when you start looking at them It honestly isn't, it's just the same as any other AR. Just make sure you have a Grendel barrel, a Grendel bolt, and some steel magazines. For the Grendel bolt, go to Lilja, AA, or JP. For the mags, go to AA and buy the E-Lander's, and the barrel depends on your budget. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:21:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: meh, 6mm PPC is much better.. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:21:29 AM EDT
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On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber.
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:21:45 AM EDT
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he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Not so much for Grendel. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:22:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's the price point on these? I'd be into a 20" H-Bar if they made one in Left Hand |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:24:13 AM EDT
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On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. No, he just made it a lot harder for people to enjoy a fantastic cartridge. That's exactly why it's not more popular. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:24:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. It has some traction now. Still costs more than 6.8. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:26:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. When no one will build for it because they're likely to get sued, that's a problem. When the only products you can get come with a weird sized gas block journal and odd thread patterns on the muzzle, that's a problem. He finally submitted it to SAAMI and now you're seeing a surge in popularity for it. He was trying to be his own regulatory agency, it didn't work. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:28:44 AM EDT
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It honestly isn't, it's just the same as any other AR. Just make sure you have a Grendel barrel, a Grendel bolt, and some steel magazines. For the Grendel bolt, go to Lilja, AA, or JP. For the mags, go to AA and buy the E-Lander's, and the barrel depends on your budget. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I would like to try one but it feels a little overwhelming when you start looking at them It honestly isn't, it's just the same as any other AR. Just make sure you have a Grendel barrel, a Grendel bolt, and some steel magazines. For the Grendel bolt, go to Lilja, AA, or JP. For the mags, go to AA and buy the E-Lander's, and the barrel depends on your budget. Thanks, is the Wolf 6.5 Grendel ammo any good ? |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:29:21 AM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? 
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:31:03 AM EDT
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That's not the bottom line. The bottom line was access. His limiting access, limited proliferation of the caliber. When the only source has out of this world cost factor kind of hard to catch on. It has some traction now. Still costs more than 6.8. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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On a board where logic trumps all and emotion is a liberal thing to be set aside, "Inventor was mean" is apparently an important factor in choosing a caliber. It has some traction now. Still costs more than 6.8. $385 for a barrel/bolt combo doesn't seem cost prohibitive And from what LRRPF52 says, it's one hell of a barrel. There are 37 flavours of factory ammo available for it LRRPF52's awesome thread on the 6.5 G |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:31:08 AM EDT
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What do people recommend for magazines? I use these for hunting. http://gunmagwarehouse.com/asc-6-5-grendel-10-round-stainless-steel-magazine.html The have a 25 round for 14.99 as well. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:33:20 AM EDT
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Not so much for Grendel. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've been really pleased with mine, but it does seem as though the inventor wanted it to fail. he didn't want it to fail. he wanted to be his and his alone and that no one else would be allowed to make anything to do with them. worked for apple Not so much for Grendel. It probably made him more money than just letting everyone take his invention and run with it. I don't agree with it, but for the inventor, it was the smart decision. |
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Posted: 11/23/2016 11:33:34 AM EDT
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What is so great about it that should make it more popular? It's probably the best clean-sheet antipersonnel cartridge extant that fits into the AR15 platform. |
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