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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Has FAC finally gone too far?

Posted: 5/23/2003 3:44:53 PM EDT

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Every time I get an FAC catalog in the mail, I cringe with the thought of what the mailman must think when he sees it. Chicks in little shorts, spear guns, big letters proclaiming MACHINE GUN KITS!, threaded barrels with pictures of suppressors, etc. I figure it's all explainable and legal, so nothing to get worried about, right?

P. 46 of the new ad that came today, May 2003 Guns-N-Stuff Wholesale.

[b]Convert this Black Powder Derringer into a legal .22lr caliber pistol![/b]

In the same picture, they're selling a blackpowder .32 derringer which requires no FFL to purchase, and a .22lr barrel sleeve which also of course needs no FFL to purchase.

So for $79.95 plus $4.95, [s]a criminal[/s] anyone with a drill can "legally" purchase a working .22lr pistol with no paperwork whatsoever.
I understand and agree with the 80% laws, I think it's fine for someone to build a firearm for themself. This just looks too easy though, and [b]I think they're setting themselves up for a big headache in the future[/b].

Your thoughts?

Posted: 5/23/2003 3:55:45 PM EDT

[#1]

Can you say BATF raid???

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:01:12 PM EDT

[#2]

In my state at least, that's illegal. Referred to as a 'zip gun'.

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:02:44 PM EDT

[#3]

A single-shot untraceable derringer would be handy though it would lack the panache of my trusty Belgian Browning 25 automatic.

[peep]

BTW both my mailman and UPS guy must hate me. On Monday the poor UPS guy had to deliver an MG-42 tripod. A couple of weeks ago, 1,280 rounds of 7.62 NATO.

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:07:36 PM EDT

[#4]

80% is fine and dandy with me...
Anyways, what the hell can someone who doesn't know how to shoot going to do with a single-shot 22lr? (Someone who CAN shoot properly, would most likely be able to posess something legally)

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:26:09 PM EDT

[#5]

I think I don't know what the FAC you are talking about [:d]

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:34:49 PM EDT

[#6]

Woh, we must stop these evil assault sporting sniper pistols from being sold!

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:37:19 PM EDT

[#7]

Never bring a single shot .22 converted black power derringer to a gun fight.

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:37:46 PM EDT

[#8]

Yeah - you rat - they didn't know about Shotgun News. They only lurk here.

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:39:45 PM EDT

[#9]

big deal , instead of using a pipe they will buy this, take a pill.

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:40:01 PM EDT

[#10]

Link?

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:49:25 PM EDT

[#11]

When the founding fathers included the second amendment in the Constitution, I doubt they had such stupid fucking rules in mind, particularly when you consider the context in which it was written.

[i]"Why yes, Mr. Ben Franklin, of course the second amendment means the masses are restricted to 80% receivers, section 922(r) restrictions, and no bayonet lugs or folding stocks."[/i]

Bullshit.

[(:|)]

[center]600 quality posts since 2001[/center]

Posted: 5/23/2003 4:59:56 PM EDT

[#12]

Got news for ya dudes. It is perfectly legal for an individual to manufacture a modern firearm as long as it is for personal use. The type of firearm must not violate any existing regulations (e.g., may not be NFA, SBS, SBR, AOW, assault weapon, high cap mag). It also may not ever be transferred to anyone else. FAC even lists the statute in their catalog if you want to look it up. May not be right, moral, kosher, safe, whatever, but it IS legal.

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:03:00 PM EDT

[#13]

I'm not saying it's illegal, and I'm not saying it's wrong.
What I'm saying is that FAC is setting themselves up for a big pain in the rear, for what?
A few $85 sales?

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:09:34 PM EDT

[#14]

How reliable would this conversion be guys?

Would it blow up on you?

If it's legal, it's interesting.

CRC

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:29:07 PM EDT

[#15]

IIRC, Brownells, which is certainly a legit outfit, offers conversion cylinders that will let you fire modern ammunition in a black powder revolver - no FFL required.

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:29:16 PM EDT

[#16]

Quoted:
Link?

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[img]http://www.gunsnstuff.net/p/images/046_01.jpg[/img]

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:47:49 PM EDT

[#17]

it doesnt really matter, FAC wont have it in stock anyhow. they never have shit in stock. URL should be "www.backordersnstuff.com"

Posted: 5/23/2003 5:57:06 PM EDT

[#18]

So I can buy one of these Uzi kits and machine a reciever and be legal?

http://www.gunsnstuffonline.com/html/p/014f.html

Posted: 5/23/2003 7:02:54 PM EDT

[#19]

Thanks, ordered a catalog.

Posted: 5/23/2003 7:09:34 PM EDT

[#20]

How is [url=http://www.midwayusa.com/rewriteaproduct/176072]this[/url] any different? I've seen these floating around for more than a few years, and nobody's bitched about it.

Posted: 5/23/2003 7:37:28 PM EDT

[#21]

[yawn]

Posted: 5/23/2003 8:11:43 PM EDT

[#22]

I don't have a problem with getting catalogs with guns on the covers, but having the womenz dress in Nazi uniforms to display them is pretty cheezy...

Posted: 5/23/2003 8:46:34 PM EDT

[#23]

Quoted:
In my state at least, that's illegal. Referred to as a 'zip gun'.

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What exactly is illegal? The black powder gun? The sleeve? Posession of both? Why?

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:01:06 PM EDT

[#24]

You are going to have to shut down the entire SASS
Single Action Shooter's Society Cowboy shooter because they do this all the time. There are many companies that make drop in replacement cylinder for black powder single action guns that convert them to centerfire cartridge.

Did you see on the back page of that same flier they are selling a 9mm barrel insert that uses 209 shotgun primers to fire a dart?

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:13:36 PM EDT

[#25]

how do i get on the FAC mailing list?

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:14:44 PM EDT

[#26]

Quoted:
You are going to have to shut down the entire SASS
Single Action Shooter's Society Cowboy shooter because they do this all the time. There are many companies that make drop in replacement cylinder for black powder single action guns that convert them to centerfire cartridge.

Did you see on the back page of that same flier they are selling a 9mm barrel insert that uses 209 shotgun primers to fire a dart?

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That sounds cool. What kind of 9mm barrel would that drop in?

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:14:44 PM EDT

[#27]

Quoted:
...Did you see on the back page of that same flier they are selling a 9mm barrel insert that uses 209 shotgun primers to fire a dart?

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Yeah, I found that pretty interesting.

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:52:14 PM EDT

[#28]

anyone know how to get on the FAC mailing list?

Posted: 5/23/2003 9:57:16 PM EDT

[#29]

Quoted:
anyone know how to get on the FAC mailing list?

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Best way is to get a C&R license, and then mail FAC (and about a thousand other gun dealers) a copy of it – You'll get catalogs till you want to puke.

Best damned thirty bucks you'll ever spend!

Posted: 5/24/2003 6:35:43 AM EDT

[#30]

I started getting the FAC catalog after ordering an MG-42 tripod from Sportsman's Guide. I'll bet they pimped out my mailing info.

Posted: 5/24/2003 7:49:18 AM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:
In my state at least, that's illegal. Referred to as a 'zip gun'.

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What exactly is illegal? The black powder gun? The sleeve? Posession of both? Why?

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Conversion of something into a gun that wasn't originally designed to be a gun, or making a crude homemade gun. I suppose you can make a high-quality homemade firearm then. But I'm thinking this would be a no-no in Ohio.

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