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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:45:49 AM EDT
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Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 8:51:04 AM EDT
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FPNI.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:14:02 AM EDT
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I've mentioned it in another thread, but I think it needs repeating since so many people (on both sides) have blinders on. If Trump becomes the nominee, Cruz has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. If Cruz becomes the nominee, Trump has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. Neither one can win without the support of the other. I think they can win if they rally support, and I hope that the 4 months is enough for people to put the primary behind them, nut up, and keep that stupid cunt out of the whitehouse. Voting third party, writing in your guy even though he isn't the nominee, or staying home because of your feels is just being a spiteful little bitch. The Primary you vote for who you want, the General you vote for who you have to to keep the biggest threat out of power. Hillary is our (conservatives, republicans, firearm enthusiasts) biggest threat. The whole "they said we had to vote for Romney, and I'm sticking to muh morals!" Doesn't hold water. Romney lost because too many people sat out for any number of reasons. And we all got 4 more years of obummer because of it. You can be damn sure the left will gather around their candidate. Don't hold your breath. A lot on here nuts, from both sides, and would rather have Hillery if they can't get their way. For what it's worth, I agree with you. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:20:27 AM EDT
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My take on it is if Trump does not win the nomination he will just wash his hands of the whole thing and walk away with little fanfare. Maybe a week of sour grapes but that is about it.
I really don't think he would work all that much for whoever gets the nomination....He's not a second-fiddle type of guy and rah-rahing for someone else he lost to is not his style. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:20:30 AM EDT
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Don't hold your breath. A lot on here nuts, from both sides, and would rather have Hillery if they can't get their way. For what it's worth, I agree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've mentioned it in another thread, but I think it needs repeating since so many people (on both sides) have blinders on. If Trump becomes the nominee, Cruz has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. If Cruz becomes the nominee, Trump has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. Neither one can win without the support of the other. I think they can win if they rally support, and I hope that the 4 months is enough for people to put the primary behind them, nut up, and keep that stupid cunt out of the whitehouse. Voting third party, writing in your guy even though he isn't the nominee, or staying home because of your feels is just being a spiteful little bitch. The Primary you vote for who you want, the General you vote for who you have to to keep the biggest threat out of power. Hillary is our (conservatives, republicans, firearm enthusiasts) biggest threat. The whole "they said we had to vote for Romney, and I'm sticking to muh morals!" Doesn't hold water. Romney lost because too many people sat out for any number of reasons. And we all got 4 more years of obummer because of it. You can be damn sure the left will gather around their candidate. Don't hold your breath. A lot on here nuts, from both sides, and would rather have Hillery if they can't get their way. For what it's worth, I agree with you. I agree too. Need to unify. They want us split and fighting each other. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:22:05 AM EDT
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I've been very critical of Trump...but I could get behind and Trump/Cruz ticket. For all those that say never, no way....may I point to Regan/Bush in 1980 in which there wasn't a lot of love between the two. It worked well for the GOP, America and Bush Sr. Cruz as VP would position him for the big chair in 8 years, which is nothing considering his age. With all this said, he needs to stay in the campaign. The minute he drops out, Trump gets 1237 and Cruz has no leverage to negotiate with Trump.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 9:27:45 AM EDT
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I'll vote for either... I have my doubts on whether the RNC will let that happen though.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:26:07 AM EDT
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket.
Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:29:04 AM EDT
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I'm not a fan of Trump at all, but I'm starting to think OP's position may be correct.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:31:38 AM EDT
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I'm not a fan of Trump at all, but I'm starting to think OP's position may be correct. I'm not a fan of any of them but will (probably most likely maybe*) vote for whomever the nominee turns out to be. It all depends on how much of a retard Cruz is at the convention (Kasich is already a retard so I know what he's going to try). |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:41:37 AM EDT
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trump just needs cruz to accept loss and go home.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:42:20 AM EDT
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Hillary announced a war on guns.
Time to start a war against Hillary. It will take both candidates supporters to beat her. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:43:11 AM EDT
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That ship sailed a long time ago.  |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:43:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: trump just needs cruz to accept loss and go home. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:46:35 AM EDT
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I agree.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:46:39 AM EDT
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My take on it is if Trump does not win the nomination he will just wash his hands of the whole thing and walk away with little fanfare. Maybe a week of sour grapes but that is about it. I really don't think he would work all that much for whoever gets the nomination....He's not a second-fiddle type of guy and rah-rahing for someone else he lost to is not his style. In NY he said he was gonna run for Governor against Democrat Andrew Cuomo. He even attended a 2nd SAFE Act rally (despite previously tweeting that Obama spoke for him after Sandy Hook) to push his prospects of running for Governor. Then he said he would only run if he got 100% support from the Republican Party and didn't have to earn the nomination in a primary. Then he lost interest and didn't run, but he took it a step further and didn't even support the actual Republican nominee against Democrat Andrew Cuomo. The same Democrat who signed the SAFE Act and who Trump donated to multiple times. So yea, Trump has done this before. He was in it to promote himself, and when he finally went away, he didn't help the winner against the anti-gun Democrat. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:47:07 AM EDT
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Don't hold your breath. A lot on here nuts, from both sides, and would rather have Hillery if they can't get their way. For what it's worth, I agree with you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've mentioned it in another thread, but I think it needs repeating since so many people (on both sides) have blinders on. If Trump becomes the nominee, Cruz has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. If Cruz becomes the nominee, Trump has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. Neither one can win without the support of the other. I think they can win if they rally support, and I hope that the 4 months is enough for people to put the primary behind them, nut up, and keep that stupid cunt out of the whitehouse. Voting third party, writing in your guy even though he isn't the nominee, or staying home because of your feels is just being a spiteful little bitch. The Primary you vote for who you want, the General you vote for who you have to to keep the biggest threat out of power. Hillary is our (conservatives, republicans, firearm enthusiasts) biggest threat. The whole "they said we had to vote for Romney, and I'm sticking to muh morals!" Doesn't hold water. Romney lost because too many people sat out for any number of reasons. And we all got 4 more years of obummer because of it. You can be damn sure the left will gather around their candidate. Don't hold your breath. A lot on here nuts, from both sides, and would rather have Hillery if they can't get their way. For what it's worth, I agree with you. Yup. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:47:39 AM EDT
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I'll vote for either... I have my doubts on whether the RNC will let that happen though. Combined they would be telling the GOPe how it's gonna be. The problem is they are philosophically different. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:48:27 AM EDT
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:48:52 AM EDT
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If it can't happen, then you might as well start buying more shit now, because darkness is coming.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:51:27 AM EDT
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I've mentioned it in another thread, but I think it needs repeating since so many people (on both sides) have blinders on. If Trump becomes the nominee, Cruz has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. If Cruz becomes the nominee, Trump has to rally behind him and call on his supporters to do the same or else Hillary wins. Neither one can win without the support of the other. I think they can win if they rally support, and I hope that the 4 months is enough for people to put the primary behind them, nut up, and keep that stupid cunt out of the whitehouse. Voting third party, writing in your guy even though he isn't the nominee, or staying home because of your feels is just being a spiteful little bitch. The Primary you vote for who you want, the General you vote for who you have to to keep the biggest threat out of power. Hillary is our (conservatives, republicans, firearm enthusiasts) biggest threat. The whole "they said we had to vote for Romney, and I'm sticking to muh morals!" Doesn't hold water. Romney lost because too many people sat out for any number of reasons. And we all got 4 more years of obummer because of it. You can be damn sure the left will gather around their candidate. This is correct in all respects. Its time for the circular firing squad to reform the line and start the volley against the democrats. We need to go on the offensive, take our country back from the insanity that has prevailed for the last 8 years. We need to be ferocious, relentless, and unforgiving. Its time to beat the drums of war, and fight for our values. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:52:33 AM EDT
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TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Trump is not going to play second fiddle to anybody....Cruz or anyone else. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:52:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up. Horseshit There is no fate but what we make ourselves. We show up to vote, we win. If we concede before the fight starts we lose. Everybody needs put on their big kid pants and show the hell up on election day to keep Clinton out of the White House. If you vote 3rd party, write in someone else or stay home you suck, pure and simple and you will bear the burden of the destruction of this country. The same as all of the losers who did it for Romney after seeing 4 years of Obama. McCain sucked but Obama was an unknown quantity so I'll allow it. The time for tantrums is over. I support Ted Cruz, I am a state delegate and will pledge my support to him if I am chosen to go to the national convention. But you can bet your ass that if Trump emerges as the winner he will have my support in the general election. Excellent point OP. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:54:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll vote for either... I have my doubts on whether the RNC will let that happen though. I firmly believe that it will be one of the two. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 11:58:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trump is not going to play second fiddle to anybody....Cruz or anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Trump is not going to play second fiddle to anybody....Cruz or anyone else. So his ego is more important than the country? |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:01:15 PM EDT
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Cruz and trump are polar opposites . Cruz does not need trump .
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:02:30 PM EDT
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TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz I guess we'll have to hope Cruz is "the man" his supporters say he is...you know, for the good of the party, country, constitution. Which is all just a pipe dream since he's doing everything he can to stop Trump, rather than trying to do everything he can to win outright. That's how he lost me; as soon as he started the "If you don't want Trump, then vote for me" BS. Now he's spouting off about how "Trump has been mathematically eliminated from getting 1,237 delegates and he know is" when it's actually now probably that he will get 1,237...or damn close. Cruz is just shilling to keep his base happy and/or dissuade people from voting for Trump (kind of like telling people Carson had withdrawn when he really hadn't). |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:03:25 PM EDT
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I've been very critical of Trump...but I could get behind and Trump/Cruz ticket. For all those that say never, no way....may I point to Regan/Bush in 1980 in which there wasn't a lot of love between the two. It worked well for the GOP, America and Bush Sr. Cruz as VP would position him for the big chair in 8 years, which is nothing considering his age. With all this said, he needs to stay in the campaign. The minute he drops out, Trump gets 1237 and Cruz has no leverage to negotiate with Trump. So true, best thing get Cruz as VP, he is a career politician and can navigate the plans. Trump as a businessman, can work the financials and knows how to get it done. Mix the two and you have a strong team.almost the best of both worlds as far as politics goes. Problem is BOTH seem to be playing like little kids. You know take my ball and leave bull shit. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:08:58 PM EDT
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Cruz and trump are polar opposites . Cruz does not need trump . They both agree on some key issues that are very important to most republicans. If they could get passed their differences and run on a fiscal conservative, America first policy they would win in a landslide. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:11:08 PM EDT
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Cruz and trump are polar opposites . Cruz does not need trump . Wrong, because with Trump, come his supporters (or at least a good chunk of them) Cruz will not win without Trump supporters. I'm not talking about a joint ticket. They just don't have enough voters separately to overcome Hillacunt |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:12:15 PM EDT
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If Cruz wins he will bow out gracefully and ask his supporters to vote for the nominee.
If Trump wins he will piss and moan about how he was treated unfairly, attack everybody that didn't support him and tell his followers to boycott the election as an unfair practice not worthy of their vote. Then he'll call Hillary and tell her mission accomplished. If you think he will just bow out quietly with any measure of class you're crazy. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:13:30 PM EDT
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Get it through your thick heads, Trump is not a republican. Trump is in it for Trump. And yes, if Hillary was Bill or Obama, this would end up going the worse loss in Republican History.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:14:29 PM EDT
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Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up. There isn't a human alive or dead that can win the presidency as a republican. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:16:38 PM EDT
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I'm not a fan of Trump at all, but I'm starting to think OP's position may be correct. I feel the same way as you. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:17:41 PM EDT
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That would require civility between the two camps and the ardent supporters.
Let me know if you find it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:20:16 PM EDT
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As much as I dislike Trump I'll vote for him to keep Hillary or Bernie out. I WANT Cruz, but if he's not the guy I'll get over it and vote R.
I'm no liberal so whoever is the nominee gets my vote. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:20:44 PM EDT
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There isn't a human alive or dead that can win the presidency as a republican. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up. There isn't a human alive or dead that can win the presidency as a republican. Very true. The name, the image, the ideals. Are all repugnant to most Americans. Even to Republicans |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:23:27 PM EDT
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Selecting a VO should be about winning Swing States.
If your VP selection is about trying to get Republicans to vote for you, you've already lost the General Election. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:26:58 PM EDT
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They both agree on some key issues that are very important to most republicans. If they could get passed their differences and run on a fiscal conservative, America first policy they would win in a landslide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Cruz and trump are polar opposites . Cruz does not need trump . They both agree on some key issues that are very important to most republicans. If they could get passed their differences and run on a fiscal conservative, America first policy they would win in a landslide. This. I've said this since the beginning: if they'd talk about the issues and what they are going to do rather than each other, they'd win. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:31:11 PM EDT
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Just heard on FOX a little while ago that Cruz and Hillary's national unfavorable numbers are now higher than Trump's. Hillary's are well over Trump's. I honestly think we'll probably win with either of these guys as long as the Trumptards vote for Cruz if he's the guy and the Cruzbots vote for Trump if it's him.
The goal should be beating Hillary at all costs. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:38:16 PM EDT
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he should offer a joint ticket and cruz should accept. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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trump just needs cruz to accept loss and go home. This Cruz would be a great VP |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:46:18 PM EDT
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trump just needs cruz to accept loss and go home. This Cruz would be a great VP The VP slot is best given to someone in a key swing state, in this case Florida. But it looks like Trump already insulted and alienated Rubio, so that's probably not going to happen either. Trump prides himself on deal-making, but then he goes out of his way to insult and demean the very people who he ought to be making deals with. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:47:13 PM EDT
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HILLARY 2016
Its not too late to join the SS my brothers! we can either ride on the trains, or load people onto them! the choice is yours! |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:48:47 PM EDT
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Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up. This. 2016 was a chance for the GOP to rebrand the party. But no, we get the same old rich white male candidates that keep losing to Dem "historic" candidates. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:49:40 PM EDT
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That ship sailed months ago
Be that as it may, I would lose all respect for Cruz if he joined that ticket....which he wont |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:52:09 PM EDT
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trump just needs cruz to accept loss and go home. This Cruz would be a great VP I have to disagree. Cruz is too ardent a supporter of the Constitution to put him basically on the sidelines. If some deal is to be made, let it be made to put him somewhere he can make a REAL difference. Somewhere like the Supreme Court. I'd PREFER Cruz get the nomination, because he's proven supporter of the Constitution. That's pretty rare in politics anymore. I don't trust Trump and I don't like Trump. I DO NOT want to have to vote for Trump, but I will, if it comes down to that. I just hope he doesn't make me live to regret it. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:56:03 PM EDT
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Losing either way. This election was supposed to be a slam dunk for GOP to win but they fucked it up. They usually do. It's sort of their thing... |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:59:03 PM EDT
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Everyone is just kidding themselves. There is no way the Cruzbots will support Trump, and no way the Trumpkins will support Cruz. Just look at the 20k threads here with all the locks, personal attacks, and purse swinging.
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Posted: 4/22/2016 12:59:13 PM EDT
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Trump is not going to play second fiddle to anybody....Cruz or anyone else. So his ego is more important than the country? Can't say but given the "pull out all the stops" #nevertrump movement he's had to put up with between the GOPe and Toxic Ted I'd not pay them more than lip service either. "OK, I hope you guys win, bye-bye...I'm off to run my company" and that would be the end of it were it me. Remember, if it's anyone but Trump that means the GOPe has held sway....Why carry their water and spend your money supporting such people? I may vote for whichever guy has the R out from their name in the GE but I'd never send the GOPe a dollar much less peck on doors for them. No "ego" involved and they should count their blessings that I'll vote for them. |
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Posted: 4/22/2016 1:07:56 PM EDT
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Based on what I've seen here, the only way the republicans won't implode on election day is if they are both on the same ticket. Of course ARFCOM still won't be happy because "their guy" is in the VP slot. TRump said he would never be VP to CRuz Trump is not going to play second fiddle to anybody....Cruz or anyone else. So his ego is more important than the country? Why would that be hard to believe? He gave liberal politicians hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations and we were told he had to do it for his business. If his business was more important than his country, surely its not a stretch to say his ego would be as well |
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