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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:36:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:38:31 PM EDT
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:42:02 PM EDT
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:43:07 PM EDT
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As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:43:53 PM EDT
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Quality variable power scope with 1x on the bottom end for me.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:44:17 PM EDT
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Who's paying for the Aimpoint?
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:45:09 PM EDT
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I prefer quality optics, but I'm poor.
 So the only quality optics I have are on my work guns.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:46:13 PM EDT
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Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:46:45 PM EDT
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I've don ACOG, EoTech, and iron sights. I like the pimply sexiness of fancy glass but its hard to beat iron sights for utilitarian, rugged, reliable goodness.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:47:12 PM EDT
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I like quality optics. Got a T1 on my SBR and ACOG on my 16". I do like shooting irons for fun though.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:48:16 PM EDT
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People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it. Of course everyone should know how to use iron sights...that's a given. What do you want on your go-to rifle/carbine? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:49:09 PM EDT
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I've don ACOG, EoTech, and iron sights. I like the pimply sexiness of fancy glass but its hard to beat iron sights for utilitarian, rugged, reliable goodness. You mean like an Aimpoint? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:49:22 PM EDT
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No way. I currently don't have any optics, my thing is just I would rather have iron sights over the optics that are in the range that I am willing to spend on one now.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:49:56 PM EDT
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As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes. My Eotech has been rock solid for years. The recital is better than aimpoint. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:49:56 PM EDT
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As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes. My Eotech has been rock solid for years. The recital is better than aimpoint. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:50:36 PM EDT
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On my A4 clone I find myself taking the Acog off and shooting with irons more and more.
I can have hits on the target with the acog all the time AMD want to go back to basics with irons. I use a detachable carry handle on it and a magtec . |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:53:49 PM EDT
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People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 7:57:51 PM EDT
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1. Simplicity - irons don't have electronics to fry or batteries that die. Irons are light too.
2. Familiarity - they've grown up or served using irons so that's what they like, and they're good, or at least capable to their standards,with them. It's not a big enough deal for them to learn something new. They'd rather drop that $ on something else. 3. Cost - some can't justify another $100 for a primary arms, let alone $600 for an aimpoint. (And $600 is pretty cheap for a quality optic) 4. Derp - "it's what I use so it's the best", to hell with your fancy optics. these are the type that put down the guys that use them to justify their lack of optics, for whatever reason. 5. Unfamiliarity- they just don't understand that a good optic can help enhance their shooting. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:00:18 PM EDT
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I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics.
People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:00:28 PM EDT
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My Eotech has been rock solid for years. The recital is better than aimpoint. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes. My Eotech has been rock solid for years. The recital is better than aimpoint. You EOTech recites things? 
My T1 doesn't
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:01:17 PM EDT
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Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? Because nostalgia. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:02:15 PM EDT
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This thread has neva bin dun befo. Except for earlier today.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Are you asking if I prefer an AR with good optics? Hell yes. Seems lots of people here LOVE iron sights only...just wondering what the fuck is going on. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Obviously, sometimes a person's vision doesn't allow for that, but if there is any chance that rifle will one day keep you alive, you should be proficient with every aspect of it. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:02:52 PM EDT
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I like pie
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:04:00 PM EDT
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At one time I might have said iron but as I get older and my eyes need help focusing I say a good quality optic.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:04:16 PM EDT
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This thread has neva bin dun befo. Except for earlier today. LOL Um yeah, I'm <100 years old, voted with quality optics. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:05:41 PM EDT
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I switched to strictly irons after training in call of duty -- in the EMP level, the ACOG goes dead. I don't want that to happen to my ACOG, and having BUIS and optics is just more things to go wrong than if I just have iron sights.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:06:21 PM EDT
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I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? I have quality AR's with quality optics...your point is invalid. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:06:29 PM EDT
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I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? Our M16s have a higher failure rate than our RCOs |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:07:27 PM EDT
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Quality optic, of course.
If I'm paying... I still find that I'm too cheap to shell out the $400+ that it requires to get into "quality." Frankly, companies such as Vortex are producing (sub $200) stuff that exceed what I'm capable of as a shooter. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:07:57 PM EDT
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I doubt we're more than a generation or two of weapons away from no iron sights at all. There will be some geezer that will insist on them for at least one more iteration. At least for a military weapon anyway.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:08:42 PM EDT
[#31]
Even middle of the road optics help a good bit.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:13:04 PM EDT
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I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd rather have a quality AR with irons, than a craptacular AR with optics. People should master iron sights before buying optic IMO. Why? Really? What do you do if your optics give out and you don't know how to shoot longer range with irons? Same fundamentals. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:19:32 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:21:09 PM EDT
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How is this even a question?
Quality optics, please. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:21:40 PM EDT
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Get both, of good quality.
I do have a 16" A1ish sort of gun that I love. Its light as a feather and fun to shoot. My primary rifle is a suppressed SBR with eotech and rear troy buis. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:22:10 PM EDT
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How is this even a question? Quality optics, please. See the post above yours... |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:24:15 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics...
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:24:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Get both.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:25:54 PM EDT
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See the post above yours... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is this even a question? Quality optics, please. See the post above yours... Yeah, I posted in that one too. Just made the connection lol. Irons are good, but if you have the choice why not utilize it... |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:27:30 PM EDT
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I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics... 
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:29:42 PM EDT
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I think OP is bored
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:29:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics... |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:31:46 PM EDT
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Why limit ones self
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:32:07 PM EDT
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Do you really think someone who spent more on a membership here than some of those optics cost can't afford it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics... There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:33:03 PM EDT
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There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm guessing that the people who want/like iron sights only, can't afford quality optics... There are not too many life members, and there are no sub $100 optics that I would call "quality". So, yes. He was talking about himself, not every member here |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:34:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You EOTech recites things? My T1 doesn't Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: As long as it doesn't have an Eotech. Yes. My Eotech has been rock solid for years. The recital is better than aimpoint. You EOTech recites things? My T1 doesn't I think he means the rectal.
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:37:10 PM EDT
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How is this even a question? Quality optics, please. This!...... |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:37:38 PM EDT
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Get both. I did....... |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:54:07 PM EDT
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Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work.
Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much. If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights. |
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Posted: 9/28/2014 8:56:03 PM EDT
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Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work. Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much. If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not sure the exact intent of the question but, I would rather run plain irons than use a No Magnification optic that has to run on batteries to work. Although I have carried EOTech and Aimpoints in several combat zones, I dont really care for them that much. If am gonna put something on ttop pf the rifle then give me a lil magnification like a 1-4 ,or 1-6x..... or leave it be with Iron sights. Aimpoint's successor to the M68 (the CompM3) claims a single battery will provide 50,000 hours of operation on brightness level 7 out of 10. Aimpoint's newest military sight, the Aimpoint CompM4, has a claimed ability to operate continuously for 8 years or 80,000 hours on a single AA battery. |
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