I wish China would get involved in Iraq and deal with ISIS

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:42:52 AM EDT

Why US? We are always expected to save the day. Our economy sucks we did more than our part for over 10 years why can't counties like China go help? Hell they can use it as training to get some experience for their troops and test some equipment out there while looking like hero's.

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:46:02 AM EDT

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Too busy making humanoid robot companions

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:47:46 AM EDT

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Even if the Chinese were willing, we would not allow it.

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:48:26 AM EDT

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Why would they end up keeping it?

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:49:26 AM EDT

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China would manage Iraq better than Iraqis would.

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Posted: 8/10/2014 9:50:40 AM EDT

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China has no ability to project force efficiently.

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:51:41 AM EDT

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Why would they when we keep wasting our resources? Soon we will be ripe for plucking.

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:55:53 AM EDT

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Solid plan.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:10:14 AM EDT

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This.

I'm amazed their ships even make it to the anti piracy areas. There is no way they could transport the men and material any distance, much less for a potential long term engagement.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:24:21 AM EDT

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Why would they bother?

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:28:20 AM EDT

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ignoring their ability to project force, I'd argue even better than we could. China won't give a shit about ROE and would adopt a scorched earth policy, and terrorist propaganda would likely be less effective against China.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:28:41 AM EDT

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So they could take over? Mo oil mo bettah.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:36:13 AM EDT

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Why US? We are always expected to save the day. Our economy sucks we did more than our part for over 10 years why can't counties like China go help? Hell they can use it as training to get some experience for their troops and test some equipment out there while looking like hero's.

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Because China is smart enough to know not to get involved in the Middle East.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:49:37 AM EDT

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China is historically isolationist, and a land power. The USA is historically interventionist, and a sea power.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:54:17 AM EDT

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Hell, I wish they'd come over here and deal with the Taliban...which they will when they start to mine the Lithium they bought the rights to.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:56:10 AM EDT

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Why US? We are always expected to save the day. Our economy sucks we did more than our part for over 10 years why can't counties like China go help? Hell they can use it as training to get some experience for their troops and test some equipment out there while looking like hero's.

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You really think that's in our interest? Having China exert power and influence in the Middle East?

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:00:07 AM EDT

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If they could, and thought they would see a return on investment, they would fo.

Chinese are pretty friggin smart and they are unencumbered by the PC crap that has us in a stranglehold.

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:06:35 AM EDT

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When it comes down to it, we're the only country that can really project what's left of our power over long distances.

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:09:47 AM EDT

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Aside from small border skirmishes, what has the Chinese military done other than parade carry in recent history?

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:12:55 AM EDT

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ISIS is a State Department or CIA creation. Remember they're the rejects who couldn't defeat Assad in Syria. They decided to go after an easier prey: Iraq.

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:18:00 AM EDT

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I'm amazed their ships even make it to the anti piracy areas. There is no way they could transport the men and material any distance, much less for a potential long term engagement.

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I'm amazed their ships even make it to the anti piracy areas. There is no way they could transport the men and material any distance, much less for a potential long term engagement.

Lol meanwhile at Walmart.

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:22:12 AM EDT

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The ignorance on display in this thread is astounding.

Posted: 8/10/2014 11:31:43 AM EDT

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If China was so smart and looking for profit they would have dozens of ships full of 22lr headed for Wal-Marts across the US

Posted: 8/10/2014 12:38:21 PM EDT

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I wish European countries, particularly those that are members of NATO, would get more involved.

So far Europe has been doing what it always does - nothing.

Posted: 8/10/2014 12:45:19 PM EDT

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Wheres all the UN peacekeepers?

Posted: 8/10/2014 12:53:27 PM EDT

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why don't we undo the sanctions on chinese guns and ammo and our economy would be doing a little better

Posted: 8/10/2014 12:56:01 PM EDT

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I'm amazed their ships even make it to the anti piracy areas. There is no way they could transport the men and material any distance, much less for a potential long term engagement.

Lol meanwhile at Walmart.

Which relies on American commercial shipping, American commercial distribution, and American commercial sales; all which are controlled by American businessmen and financed by American money.

The Chinese once deployed 50 (FIFTY!) "peacekeepers" to a certain central African country, and could not supply them by their own entirely-domestic means.
They had to pay to live off the local economy. Which means they were entirely dependent upon the locals, and were financially raped by the locals.

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:00:30 PM EDT

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Considering a map of the territory that ISIS wants to control within 5 years includes all the way from Spain to India and a good chunk of western China...If things get too close within a few years China will smack them no doubt.

And another with slightly different boundaries.

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:01:52 PM EDT

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They can't import ammo into the US.

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:10:32 PM EDT

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Fuck china. We are already dealing with them in Africa and the Americas. How about Europe does something?

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:12:34 PM EDT

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Why the fuck would China get involved? They don't give a fuck. Maliki, ISIS, they'll work with either one.

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:13:54 PM EDT

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China would rather there be a dictatorship or some other form of governance than a democracy; that's why.

If ISIS takes over China has no problem with that, because the USA will boycott and sanction them allowing China to be the sole large purchaser of their Oil. Iraq has the world's 5th largest Oil Reserve and China would have no moral reservations whatsoever about dealing with head chopping nut jobs if it meant they could maintain the economic growth necessary for the Communist government to appease the people and stay in power.

If you look at what China is doing in Sudan and other parts of Africa right now you'll see they have no trouble dealing in blood money.

Posted: 8/10/2014 1:16:23 PM EDT

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You really think that's in our interest? Having China exert power and influence in the Middle East?

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Why US? We are always expected to save the day. Our economy sucks we did more than our part for over 10 years why can't counties like China go help? Hell they can use it as training to get some experience for their troops and test some equipment out there while looking like hero's.

You really think that's in our interest? Having China exert power and influence in the Middle East?

Fuck Yeah. I always win Monopoly by trying to hold nothing more than I started with, because I start practically broke. Sure, I've lost every time, but it works different in international politics and I'm sure its a winning strategy then.

Posted: 8/10/2014 9:58:04 PM EDT

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The Chinese once deployed 50 (FIFTY!) "peacekeepers" to a certain central African country, and could not supply them by their own entirely-domestic means.
They had to pay to live off the local economy. Which means they were entirely dependent upon the locals, and were financially raped by the locals.

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The Chinese once deployed 50 (FIFTY!) "peacekeepers" to a certain central African country, and could not supply them by their own entirely-domestic means.
They had to pay to live off the local economy. Which means they were entirely dependent upon the locals, and were financially raped by the locals.

They *couldn't,* or they attempted to contract out to a third party (locals) because it wouldn't be worth using domestical supplies for such a small force? There's a huge difference. Not to say that the latter isn't extremely common, but...

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China would rather there be a dictatorship or some other form of governance than a democracy; that's why.

If ISIS takes over China has no problem with that, because the USA will boycott and sanction them allowing China to be the sole large purchaser of their Oil. Iraq has the world's 5th largest Oil Reserve and China would have no moral reservations whatsoever about dealing with head chopping nut jobs if it meant they could maintain the economic growth necessary for the Communist government to appease the people and stay in power.

If you look at what China is doing in Sudan and other parts of Africa right now you'll see they have no trouble dealing in blood money.

According to Top Gear, the best journalists in the world, China was worked with a couple countries for production of oil in exchange for them developing infrastructure for the African nation. That' isn't really blood money IMHO.

Posted: 8/10/2014 10:02:58 PM EDT

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Chine has it's own militant Muslim problem, why would they get themselves involved over there when we are? Chine has it's eye's on the PAC rim area, the ME is only of interest because of oil and they have other ways of getting that.