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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:26:48 PM EDT
The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit has ruled against terrorism suspect Adel Daoud, saying that he and his attorneys cannot access the evidence gathered against him. The Monday ruling overturns an earlier lower district court ruling that had allowed Daoud and his lawyers to review the legality of digital surveillance warrants used against him. In May 2012, Daoud, an American citizen, was arrested in Chicago after having orchestrated the bombing of a downtown bar. However, the bomb was a dud, provided by FBI handlers who encountered his postings online. In a December 2012 session of the US Senate, Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-CA) cited Daoud’s case (although not by name) as an example (PDF) illustrating why her colleagues should support renewing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). That piece of legislation contains the controversial Section 702, which provides the legal authority that the National Security Agency uses as the basis for Prism and other surveillance and data collection programs. http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2014/06/court-terror-suspect-cant-get-nsa-evidence-gathered-against-him/ Well would you look at that, the most transparent administration in history, hiding behind secret evidence, against an American citizen, in one of many false flag they've perpetrated. - TS  |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:34:07 PM EDT
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Not sure about false flag...
 but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:34:35 PM EDT
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Sounds like the movie I just saw Closed Circuit, were secret evidence could not be seen by the plaintiff.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:37:35 PM EDT
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Has this sort of shit ever *not* led to government death squads and people getting disappeared?
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:38:29 PM EDT
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Judge is wrong.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:39:31 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:43:11 PM EDT
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:48:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Judge is wrong. Cite? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:49:31 PM EDT
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Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 5:58:10 PM EDT
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Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty. yep he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:01:26 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:02:38 PM EDT
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Judge is a tyrant.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:07:40 PM EDT
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Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:10:06 PM EDT
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. I agree I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence. Maybe an ongoing undercover op. Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:11:14 PM EDT
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I agree I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence. Maybe an ongoing undercover op. Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. I agree I'm thinking it has something to do with the gathering of the evidence. Wasn't there a thread here about how evidence for cases was being sterilized. Not by content but by source. To protect whoever gathered the evidence. Maybe an ongoing undercover op. Or some illegal method of intelligence gathering. Just some good federal agents lying to the courts. You know, like they do in a free country. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:12:16 PM EDT
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Secret courts, secret juries, secret evidence.
Hmmm, where have we heard this all before? |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:18:34 PM EDT
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What.The.Fuck....
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:20:43 PM EDT
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You mean you would Serve on a Jury? You wouldn't try to get out of it like so many other Arcomers! Hell just cooled down a bit. 
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:21:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What.The.Fuck.... |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:23:09 PM EDT
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This is starting to remind me of "V for Vendetta"
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:23:14 PM EDT
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Has this sort of shit ever *not* led to government death squads and people getting disappeared? I don't think so. Tough to prove a negative, but it's a very slippery slope. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:26:35 PM EDT
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Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty. In a rapidly growing line. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:29:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:35:00 PM EDT
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Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)? The presiding one. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 6:52:35 PM EDT
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ALL OF THE ABOVE.
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:02:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The presiding one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wait, is he talking about the presiding judge in this case or The Judge(tm)? The presiding one. Rock on then dude. |
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Posted: 6/17/2014 7:34:52 PM EDT
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Well, why have a trial at all?
Was the verdict written in advance of the first hearing? |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:54:07 PM EDT
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Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence?
Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 4:56:26 PM EDT
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:36:13 PM EDT
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You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:37:12 PM EDT
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It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. But...but...terror. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:38:27 PM EDT
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But...but...terror. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. But...but...terror. Yep. If not terror, then there's the govt. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:38:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Cite? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Judge is wrong. Cite? The constitution.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:40:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence? Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork. I have bad news for you.  We've already seen secret verdicts, witnesses, and sentences.
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:44:32 PM EDT
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Judge is wrong. He normally is. NM , misunderstood |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:44:43 PM EDT
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Not quite false flag... but when they go around trolling the internet for pissed off people to give fake bombs to, it comes pretty close.
Honestly, whose idea was it to actually do anything? This guy or his fake co-conspirator? I suspect the latter. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:49:06 PM EDT
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What is the point of holding a trial if the defendant can't have the evidence?
Just declare him guilty and ship to GITMO. Kangaroo courts. Top to bottom. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:50:58 PM EDT
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Has this sort of shit ever *not* led to government death squads and people getting disappeared? Nope. Maybe go buy some pepper, you already have the other prerequisite.... |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:51:59 PM EDT
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tick....tick....tick....tick....
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:54:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:56:22 PM EDT
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Secret evidence? Why not secret witnesses, a secret verdict and a secret sentence? Fuck it, just have the police kill him when they find him. Avoid all this messy paperwork. We're probably not that far from most of that now. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:57:17 PM EDT
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But...but...terror. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. But...but...terror. Yep. Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:59:08 PM EDT
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yep he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolute horseshit. This ruling is a travesty. yep he was probably a bad guy, but this has bigger implications. Who's next? The constitution applies to bad Americans as well . |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 5:59:10 PM EDT
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Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:00:51 PM EDT
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Stalin would be proud .
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:02:21 PM EDT
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But...but...terror. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. But...but...terror. Yup. Eerily similar to McCarthyism too - just replace communist with terrorist. They are terrorists because the gov't said so, and no, you can't see the evidence...it's a secret. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:02:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. Okay, now it's a party. |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:03:24 PM EDT
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That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. ... And I'm certain that it wasn't a contributing factor to building the case against the guy. Bad guy or not, "off the record" or not...
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:03:35 PM EDT
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That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.That's not the situation. Intel that May or may not exist at whatever agency isn't the basis for his prosecution and isn't being used by the gov as evidence in the case. Yea but this evidence was probably used as a basis for a warrant . I am sure an officer has never lied to get a warrant or fabricated evidence <<<<<<< Had house raided in 93 due to a cop fabricating a story and lying to get a warrant , charges were crap and dropped, no trial . Cost me a lot of lawyer money just the same . The officer did a whole string of these and was promoted |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:07:03 PM EDT
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Yep. Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Put me on he jury and the guy would walk free regardless if I thought beyond a reasonable doubt he was guilty. Reason, one has the right to view the evidence presented against you to help build your defense. Not looking so much at this particular case alone but others that would come after it. You'd never hear about it on the jury. Also I believe this was one of the occutards that they busted when that was still going on. It matters not. If the accused does not have access to the evidence being used against him, we are throwing out hundreds of years of the basic traditions upon which western law is founded. But...but...terror. Yep. Everyone is fine with it being done to "occutards" or "terrorists" then when someone like BHO uses it against someone on "the Right" it is the end of the world for people here. lol Jesus what is with the butthurt, I never said what the government was doing was okay because of who they did it to. The article never mentioned a sort of relative fact to cover for the left's violent nature and I get jumped on for bringing it up? |
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Posted: 6/18/2014 6:10:17 PM EDT
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Not sure about false flag... but it is interesting that the government claims they can deny discovery of the convicting evidence.This. So much this. |
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