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This made me feel very weird.  I'm not much for being paranoid or anything of that sort.  They say it's for your protection, to help prevent fraud.  How is my damn thumbprint on MY check going to do ANYTHING??   I don't really get it.  My prints aren't on file with my bank.  Nor are anyone else's.  They're not on file with ANYONE that I know of.  It feels a little... violating... having to put a fingerprint on MY check to get MY money.  Shit, I've got half a dozen forms of ID they could ask for.  I'll probably write a letter to them denouncing the policy.  

I am kinda torn on how to feel about it.  After all, it's MY thumbprint, it's MY money, and it's MY check.... but the only institution that will ever see that check is who I write it to, their bank, and my bank.  Or is it?  

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The same logic used for gun registration.

[b]You're already a suspect.[/b]

Your fingerprint will be filed with the 'Bureau Of Potential Check Fraud Offenders' and you actions will be monitored closely. Your right to conduct financial transactions will be promptly rescinded should you refuse to be fingerprinted.

Remember, if you haven't done anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. It's for your protection. And the check is in the mail.

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Most people are gonna be more reluctant to write a check on another person's account if they have to leave a fingerprint. I would think, anyway. Maybe not some of the Darwin people.....

Scott

Quoted: If you don't like it, then what do you propose as an alternative to prevent the business community from losing billions of dollars every year and to allow LE to identify and arrests suspects for these crimes?

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Exactly right.  If the bank built a database of fingerprints, and procured machinery to quickly and accurately scan fingerprints, the protection argument would hold water.

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It really is a security feature to protect you from getting money stolen out of your account.

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I worry about the businesses that end up getting hacked and having my electronic fingerprint record stolen - or worse yet having that business [b]SELL[/b] my records to a marketing clearing house like they already do with my name, address and phone number which now is probably in the hands of HUNDREDS of businesses that I have no clue about.

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Off the top of my head:

1) Let the businesses fail on their own stupity. WAAAAY too many times I've seen banks treat MY account number and SS number nonchalantly [u]right before my eyes[/u] - like calling out my SS number and account number in processing my work loud enough for people behind me to hear. Fucking dipshit tellers. Or asking people to put their name, address and phone number on photo envelopes and putting them out where anyone can search through them. Why the f@ck does anyone need my name, address and phone number to buy batteries or process photos at Target? [;D]

2) Make room in prison by decriminalizing marijuana and releasing all small-time pot offenders.

3) Abolish plea bargaining. Commit fraud - go to jail.

4) Abolish probation. Commit fraud - go to jail for a lot longer.

5) In the cases of repeat offenders - tattoo the word "FRAUD" across their forehead and hands.

6) Make fingerprinting VOLUNTARY but give those who choose not to do it less check-fraud guarantee coverage. If someone wants to take the risk of having THEIR account raided for lack of a fingerprint, so be it. But let it be MY choice.

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Well, you don't need to worry about your bank then, because they don't have any electronic fingerprint records.

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Are you in the phone book?
Is your name on your mailbox?
Is your mailbox secured so that mail can't be taken out except by you?

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Sounds like it's tinfoil hat time!

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I don't think it has anything to do with you writing the check, it is to stop criminals from stealing your checkbook and writing checks on your account. As long as a check isn't disputed then nobody will probably ever look at the fingerprint.

...

It really is a security feature to protect you from getting money stolen out of your account.

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If I forge a $500 check and put my fingerprint on it, how will that stop me from collecting the money and walking out the door? The bank doesn't have my fingerprint on file, nor the person who the check is supposedly written to like [b]Matthew_Q[/b] said.


Bank account numbers, credit card numbers, PIN numbers, social security numbers... ALL are easily obtained records for a hacker to steal and use electronically. And when electronic fingerprint images become treated as nonchalantly as your social security and credit card numbers are now by many businesses, hackers will very soon have YOUR electronic fingerprint to forge any transaction they want.

That's just one less bit of your personal identity that will be stolen (or sold) in blocks like your address and phone numbers are now.

But I guess that's just my tinfoil hat talking. [;)]

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Dang,

Can't help but think of the movie last night, 'Catch Me If You Can'.  Great flick with Leo Decrapio & Tom Hanks.  True story about a guy that forged/stole around 4 million dollars worth of checks in the late '60's, before he was 20 years old.  Posed as a pilot, doctor, lawyer, teacher.....

Regardless of "Security" features, I don't like the thought of givin' a thumbprint to cash a fricken check.

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if you where military big brother already has your fingerprints and your dna if you have served in the last 10 years,so then is really going to matter if your fingerprint is on it or not since big brother already has them?
know if there is no record of your fingerprints on any type of file i would tell them to got to hell,but what are you going to do if you get a personnel check from someone and you are going to the bank and try to cash it,they say thumb print please?
you walk out or give it up?
plus the bank is trying to protect there intrest in that little piece of paper.

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Or asking people to put their name, address and phone number on photo envelopes and putting them out where anyone can search through them. Why the f@ck does anyone need my name, address and phone number to buy batteries or process photos at Target? [;D]

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Yet.



No.
No.
Yes.


When YOUR personal records are publically dispersed because of bank employee incompetence, it's not "tinfoil hat time" - it's "fool me once, shame on you - fool me twice, shame on me" time.

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I was just explaining that the purpose of the fingerprint wasn't to build some huge databank of fingerprints at the bank.

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Blaming a business for trying to keep crooks from stealing your money is a little silly in my opinion.

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And the purpose of gun registration is not to build some huge databank of gunowners for later confiscation. [rolleyes]



They aren't interested in MY money. Only THEIR money when they have to pay higher insurance for NOT having fingerprint databases (to eventually sell).

[i]Originally posted by raygun [/i]
[B]The state is saying that a California drivers license or ID isn't valid. I don't see why Big 5 would be asking for two forms of ID? There is no law requiring two forms of photo ID only proof of residency by one of the following:  A lease or deed to your property with the address you are stating where you live. A utility bill within 90 days, or military orders with a permanent duty station.

This amounts to nothing but more California harrasment! Is your wife or girfreind or roommate not on the lease or utility bills? Well he or she can't legally buy a gun. What about college kids and everyone else who doesn't have these documents?  California just eliminated a bunch of people from buying guns in this state.  

[red]We will also need to give a thumb print on the DROS form in 2003 because as gun owners we are guilty until proven innocent.[/red]

From the CA DOJ website:

Effective January 1, 2003, provides that no firearms dealer may deliver a handgun without first requiring the recipient of that handgun to correctly and properly perform a safe handling demonstration with that handgun. The firearms dealer is required to retain an affidavit signed by himself/herself and the handgun recipient as proof of compliance. Failure to comply may result in removal of the firearms dealer from the Centralized List of Firearms Dealers. Persons who are exempt for the HSC requirement are also exempt from the safety handling demonstration requirements (PC 12071(b)(8).

[red]Effective January 1, 2003, requires each person taking delivery of a firearm from a firearms dealer to provide his/her right thumbprint on the Dealers Record of Sale form (PC 12077).[/red]

Effective January 1, 2003 requires each firearms dealer delivering a handgun to obtain proof of residency from the handgun recipient. Satisfactory proof of residency may include a utility bill from within the three months prior to the delivery, a residential lease, a property deed, military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the DOJ. The firearms dealer is required to retain the residency documentation as proof of compliance. Failure to comply may result in removal of the firearms dealer from the Centralized List of Firearms Dealers (PC 12071 (b)(8) (C). [/B]