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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:50:56 AM EDT
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Social Security is the only Ponzi scheme the US government is going to allow to do business.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:53:03 AM EDT
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Amusingly, the guy really pushing for this investigation (and has spent a ton of money lobbying for it) is a hedge fund manager who shorted Herbalife for something like $1b.
He's a Democrat too. Herbalife goes down and he gets rich. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/business/staking-1-billion-that-herbalife-will-fail-then-ackman-lobbying-to-bring-it-down.html |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:56:35 AM EDT
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Amusingly, the guy really pushing for this investigation (and has spent a ton of money lobbying for it) is a hedge fund manager who shorted Herbalife for something like $1b. He's a Democrat too. Herbalife goes down and he gets rich. Yep, BIll Ackman. Likely trading on inside information. But he's shorting it rather than investing in it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:58:01 AM EDT
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when are they gonna start going after Advocare or Amway?
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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:58:26 AM EDT
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents..
One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 8:58:39 AM EDT
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them.
The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:09:23 AM EDT
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. It's easy. Dont worry about selling your products, but worry about recruiting and getting your recruits to recruit. The residual income from there is how you get the money. not by selling the products yourself. the ROI on this crap is so low that without a HUGE recruiting push, you will lose money constantly. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:11:33 AM EDT
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. MLM is the playground for losers How many people in your downstream? |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:12:44 AM EDT
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It's easy. Dont worry about selling your products, but worry about recruiting and getting your recruits to recruit. The residual income from there is how you get the money. not by selling the products yourself. the ROI on this crap is so low that without a HUGE recruiting push, you will lose money constantly lose money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. It's easy. Dont worry about selling your products, but worry about recruiting and getting your recruits to recruit. The residual income from there is how you get the money. not by selling the products yourself. the ROI on this crap is so low that without a HUGE recruiting push, you will lose money constantly lose money. Yup it's not based on being a merchant. It's all based on lying about "lifestyle" to hook in idiots That is not capitalism |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:23:46 AM EDT
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MLM is the playground for losers How many people in your downstream? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. MLM is the playground for losers How many people in your downstream? Probably has a trust fund. 
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:26:34 AM EDT
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:28:43 AM EDT
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I know several people that are into herbalife, down to wearing the gym clothing everywhere. Its a scam, I stay away from it.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:31:29 AM EDT
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Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. Ok, he died then.. This all happened in the early 90's |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:31:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: when are they gonna start going after Advocare or Amway? |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:33:19 AM EDT
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It's about time. This, Amway, Mary Kay, Cutco all that shit.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:34:59 AM EDT
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MLM is a great litmus test. It makes the morons easier to spot.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's about time. This, Amway, Mary Kay, Cutco all that shit. Don't forget scAmsoil... |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:36:54 AM EDT
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herbalife a pyramid scheme?
this is my shocked face: 
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:39:44 AM EDT
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I wonder when they will go after the founders of Obamacare?
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:39:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: when are they gonna start going after Advocare or Amway? I am not interested in it, but if you are at the top of the pyramid, it seems to be a good deal. He has worked his ass off at it and really recruits more than he does sell stuff. He is in shape and his wife is pretty and in shape (no pics). I think if they weren't, they wouldn't be able to recruit so many people (i.e., people who sign up do it for more than just the products). |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:40:09 AM EDT
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Ok, he died then.. This all happened in the early 90's Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. Ok, he died then.. This all happened in the early 90's Nope, never happened, please provide a link, proof etc. While I am not am not a herbalife fan, lets just stick to facts. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:44:29 AM EDT
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Nope, never happened, please provide a link, proof etc. While I am not am not a herbalife fan, lets just stick to facts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. Ok, he died then.. This all happened in the early 90's Nope, never happened, please provide a link, proof etc. While I am not am not a herbalife fan, lets just stick to facts. Dude, it happened on my street.. I watched the whole thing. 1800 block of Paseo Del Mar in Palos Verdes Estates CA, then he moved to a huge place on Paseo La Cresta.. Call BS all you like, I watched the friggin thing happen.. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:44:32 AM EDT
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Ex-MiL did very well with HerbalLife back in the 90's.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:48:03 AM EDT
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Pyramid Schemes are generally for dumbasses who expect to find more dumbasses like themselves to sell to and so forth.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:55:40 AM EDT
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i have never seen an herbal life sticker on a vehicle that wasn't a complete piece of shit. the kind that i shake my head as i pass them saying, " how the hell is that fucking piece of shit even moving?!"
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:56:28 AM EDT
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Dude, it happened on my street.. I watched the whole thing. 1800 block of Paseo Del Mar in Palos Verdes Estates CA, then he moved to a huge place on Paseo La Cresta.. Call BS all you like, I watched the friggin thing happen.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Not correct, Mark Reynolds Hughes (January 1, 1956 – May 21, 2000) was an American businessman who was the founder, chairman and CEO of Herbalife International, he died at the age of 44. Ok, he died then.. This all happened in the early 90's Nope, never happened, please provide a link, proof etc. While I am not am not a herbalife fan, lets just stick to facts. Dude, it happened on my street.. I watched the whole thing. 1800 block of Paseo Del Mar in Palos Verdes Estates CA, then he moved to a huge place on Paseo La Cresta.. Call BS all you like, I watched the friggin thing happen.. Yup calling BS. Got a link to back it up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 9:57:35 AM EDT
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Couldn't decide if dumbass or troll, then noticed poster name. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 10:00:41 AM EDT
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Not surprising. I almost fell into it when I was a younger more ignorant pup.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 10:03:31 AM EDT
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Let it be let it be let it be.
Pretty sure the moronic city council here gave them a shit ton of money to relocate into the old Dell compound, not positive they ever made the move though. Touted it as the beginning of the revitalization of the local economy, supposed to be high paying jobs, turned out to be a median of like $10 per hour, which I guess compared to many city employees ain't bad. Bet these sorry ass incumbent voters still won't oust them, though every one of them needs to go. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 10:06:41 AM EDT
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Yup it's not based on being a merchant. It's all based on lying about "lifestyle" to hook in idiots That is not capitalism Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. It's easy. Dont worry about selling your products, but worry about recruiting and getting your recruits to recruit. The residual income from there is how you get the money. not by selling the products yourself. the ROI on this crap is so low that without a HUGE recruiting push, you will lose money constantly lose money. Yup it's not based on being a merchant. It's all based on lying about "lifestyle" to hook in idiots That is not capitalism Being a fraud has no legit place in free enterprise and should be a crime. I wonder how he would feel if it was a gay owned MLM. Probably support burning that shit to the ground then. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:19:22 AM EDT
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Amusingly, the guy really pushing for this investigation (and has spent a ton of money lobbying for it) is a hedge fund manager who shorted Herbalife for something like $1b. He's a Democrat too. Herbalife goes down and he gets rich. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/10/business/staking-1-billion-that-herbalife-will-fail-then-ackman-lobbying-to-bring-it-down.html Carl Icahn has the long side. They have been at war over HLF for some time. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:21:18 AM EDT
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Monopolies are great too. Why don't you tell us about the virtues of those. It's a fucking lie and a scam pure and simple. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:28:52 AM EDT
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Monopolies are great too. Why don't you tell us about the virtues of those. It's a fucking lie and a scam pure and simple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Monopolies are great too. Why don't you tell us about the virtues of those. It's a fucking lie and a scam pure and simple. How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not. 
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:32:03 AM EDT
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How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? How good of a friend are you that you'd recruit them so that you can make money off of their efforts while at the same time selling them crap? |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:33:00 AM EDT
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Social Security is the only Ponzi scheme the US government is going to allow to do business. I am too slow...... FPNI again. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:33:20 AM EDT
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I wonder what took them so long My wife used to sell this crap until i showed her that we were doing nothing but losing money because we didnt have enough people recruited below us. Link doesn't work unless you pay or register on the site. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:37:25 AM EDT
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The guy who started it used to live two doors down from my parents.. One morning when I was in middle school I wake up to a huge commotion and look out my bedroom window to see my street blocked off and about 100 FBI agents raiding the house. They filled 2 semi trailers with art work and sculptures and stuff.. Took all day. Tax evasion.. To the tune of $54 million.. He cut them a check later that week and they returned most all his stuff.. Later that year he went on to build a giant house a few miles away and still lives there as far as I know. Mark Hughes died in 2000... |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:44:38 AM EDT
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My brother has a day job. He pays his mortgage with Advocare. I am not interested in it, but if you are at the top of the pyramid, it seems to be a good deal. He has worked his ass off at it and really recruits more than he does sell stuff. He is in shape and his wife is pretty and in shape (no pics). I think if they weren't, they wouldn't be able to recruit so many people (i.e., people who sign up do it for more than just the products). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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when are they gonna start going after Advocare or Amway? I am not interested in it, but if you are at the top of the pyramid, it seems to be a good deal. He has worked his ass off at it and really recruits more than he does sell stuff. He is in shape and his wife is pretty and in shape (no pics). I think if they weren't, they wouldn't be able to recruit so many people (i.e., people who sign up do it for more than just the products). People who can make a killing in MLM are limiting themselves. They possess the core skills of organization, enthusiasm, and salesmanship to sell shit to a penguin for millions. I do know two former amway triple emeralds or whatever. They did VERY well, but got out after realizing they could do better in their own legit business. However they are also very shallow, burn through friends like crazy, and all of their friends are really just "business" relationships. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:45:56 AM EDT
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Couldn't decide if dumbass or troll, then noticed poster name. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Couldn't decide if dumbass or troll, then noticed poster name. Yeah where did he go? Ran off tail between legs really quick on this one |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:46:01 AM EDT
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Gee color me not surprised
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:49:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup calling BS. Got a link to back it up. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:53:59 AM EDT
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How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Monopolies are great too. Why don't you tell us about the virtues of those. It's a fucking lie and a scam pure and simple. How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? Lol they dodge any question about MLM. It's like Scientology, but less Xenu. You are not engaged in buying or selling in MLM. You are building a stream of Tards to buy tapes and recruit other Tards. It wouldn't surprise me that you are involved with one. You are a fanatic of contrarian set of rules enough to brace it.
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:55:18 AM EDT
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How good of a friend are you that you'd recruit them so that you can make money off of their efforts while at the same time selling them crap? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? How good of a friend are you that you'd recruit them so that you can make money off of their efforts while at the same time selling them crap? Yeah I have two friends involved in MLM Both of them very longtime and close. And very clear that I don't talk MLM. Outside of that small group, I'd distance myself from them asap |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 11:58:51 AM EDT
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How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Haters that haven't figured out how to master MLM are just mad because they suck at free enterprise and want the gov't to step in and save them. The world would be much better off if MLM were totally unregulated. Monopolies are great too. Why don't you tell us about the virtues of those. It's a fucking lie and a scam pure and simple. How is it a lie? They are upfront and honest about everything. It's your choice not to participate or not.
It's very plainly stated that the way to move up us to get more recruits. And since money is exchanged for actual products, it's isn't a pyramid scheme. You guys just jelly you have no friends to sell stuff to or recruit? So the friends you've recruited... are they still buying stuff from you or are they now buying stuff from the distributor and trying to sell it to the same friends you're trying to sell to and/or recruit? Unless you're a genius marketer, sounds like you'd run out of people to sell to/recruit pretty fast. If you're a genius marketer, seems like you'd do better just running your own business or working as a contractor or salaried employee for another. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:11:01 PM EDT
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I don't even know what herbalife is
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:12:14 PM EDT
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I don't even know what herbalife is Gr Monorail! |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:19:43 PM EDT
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Ya'll are just haters.
HerbaLife4Lyfe. We healthy now. |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:22:42 PM EDT
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I don't even know what herbalife is Gr Thanks for posting! A++ |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:30:05 PM EDT
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Wait till they go after Pampered Chef. The screaming from some wives of those here will be epic, I think?
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I don't even know what herbalife is Gr AFAIK, a pyramid scheme to sell supplements that could do nice things like make you go into severe hypertension or have turboshits. In the name of "dieting". |
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Posted: 3/13/2014 12:32:47 PM EDT
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Wait till they go after Pampered Chef. The screaming from some wives of those here will be epic, I think?
AFAIK, a pyramid scheme to sell supplements that could do nice things like make you go into severe hypertension or have turboshits. In the name of "dieting". Quote HistoryQuoted:
Wait till they go after Pampered Chef. The screaming from some wives of those here will be epic, I think?
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I don't even know what herbalife is Gr AFAIK, a pyramid scheme to sell supplements that could do nice things like make you go into severe hypertension or have turboshits. In the name of "dieting". How is herbalife supplements different then most of the items they sell at GNC? |
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