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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:24:01 PM EDT
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I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things.
They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:28:18 PM EDT
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I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. I honestly have no idea. I believe the property assets have already been seized. Off to google labor board. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:29:03 PM EDT
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Not expert but employees have high standing in the bankruptcy claim but then the question is what is there left to get in the bankruptcy. Good luck. If you do get anything it may be awhile. You may have to file with the court the wages you were owed.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:32:16 PM EDT
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Sorry to hear OP
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:32:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:34:17 PM EDT
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SSS
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:35:40 PM EDT
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Employees are unsecured debts, so last in line? I know the state and feds put themselves in first for taxes owed. Hell they can go after the employees for the money not paid by the employer if they want to. OP you aren't gonna see a dime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. I figured, Thankfully my main job pays the bills and this was extra spending cash. But a few employees relied on that paycheck and this will seriously fuck them over. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:36:53 PM EDT
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It looks like the Ohio labor relations board is more focused on union contract negotiations. I will probably still call them tomorrow.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:38:26 PM EDT
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Your ex-boss had to know this was coming. He is a POS of the highest order and I hope he gets what he deserves. Good luck bro...
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:39:03 PM EDT
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Employees are unsecured debts, so last in line? I know the state and feds put themselves in first for taxes owed. Hell they can go after the employees for the money not paid by the employer if they want to. OP you aren't gonna see a dime. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. Most of the time they are right behind secured creditors in hierarchy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:39:21 PM EDT
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Not expert but employees have high standing in the bankruptcy claim but then the question is what is there left to get in the bankruptcy. Good luck. If you do get anything it may be awhile. You may have to file with the court the wages you were owed. Not first in line, and likely nothing will be left once the secured folks get theirs. BTDT, got screwed. Contact the labor board, then move on. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:40:30 PM EDT
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It looks like the Ohio labor relations board is more focused on union contract negotiations. I will probably still call them tomorrow. Call the local prosecutor anyway. Have all of the employees call. You might as well tangle the dirt bag employer up as much as possible. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:40:49 PM EDT
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That sucks.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:41:00 PM EDT
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I'm Still owed $2500 in back wages from 1994 if that makes you feel anybetter
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:42:18 PM EDT
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File a mechanics lein
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:42:44 PM EDT
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I expect ARFCOM's understanding of Title 11 Chapter 7 will be spot on per usual financial advice.
Fully secured creditors come first then employees. You need to file a claim with the clerk once they actually file bankruptcy. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:43:11 PM EDT
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Can you foreclose on the office? |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:46:24 PM EDT
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In many states the employees are first paid . Contact the National labor relations board on Monday . You may be able to sue . Good luck In am still owed $10,300 from Collision avoidance systems from 2000 . I expect to never see it
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:48:25 PM EDT
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Been there, done that. Sued the place got a judgement for all $4500, still waiting five years later. Overall for the best as I went back to school and got a great career now.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:49:48 PM EDT
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Do you know where the owner lives..........
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:50:14 PM EDT
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The owner of the business probably didn't write the checks knowing they would bounce. He probably thought everything was business as usual right up until they shoved a badge in his face and put the handcuffs on him. That or he found out about the seizure of his bank accounts when he went to use his debit card form a personal account and it was declined, and then tried the one from the company account and it was declined too.
There is absolutely nothing the police can or will do for you, as no crime was committed (unless you are positive that your boss wrote checks knowing the accounts had been seized). There isn't much at all you can do about it. You may be able to file a claim in the bankruptcy court, and when they liquidate assets, if the tax debts are paid and there is something left over you may get some of all of your money, but it will likely take years for that, and will probably never happen at all, as the state will get creative and make sure that they get every penny from the assets, and still have money owed them. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:50:36 PM EDT
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1. I'm glad it's not your main job. 2. I would not show up for work there again if they say things are turned around. Screw that.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your ex-boss had to know this was coming. He is a POS of the highest order and I hope he gets what he deserves. Good luck bro... |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:53:01 PM EDT
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I used to work for a shitty company.
We had a room FULL of copiers...no copier repair company would come there, they liked to get PAID. So, the boss would buy another used copier when the current copier would break down. The company owner drover a Rolls...and dodged the IRS. We would get a paycheck on Friday...but be told NOT to cash it until at least next Tuesday. No local vendor would extend the company credit...or even take a check. Boss had to pay CASH for stuff like copier and toilet paper.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:55:56 PM EDT
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Do you know where the owner lives.......... Yes, not going down that road. Not worth getting in trouble for. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:57:39 PM EDT
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I would not show up for work there again if they say things are turned around. Screw that. Oh yeah! |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:04:23 PM EDT
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Quoted: I used to work for a shitty company. We had a room FULL of copiers...no copier repair company would come there, they liked to get PAID. So, the boss would buy another used copier when the current copier would break down. The company owner drover a Rolls...and dodged the IRS. We would get a paycheck on Friday...but be told NOT to cash it until at least next Tuesday. No local vendor would extend the company credit...or even take a check. Boss had to pay CASH for stuff like copier and toilet paper. I worked for a fire equipment company, my first year of college, the owner of the company would hand my my paycheck and 'tell' me not to cash it until Tuesday. Didn't stop the owner and manager from hanging out at the bars and racetrack in Delaware all weekend, though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:06:53 PM EDT
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I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. and it's gonna take a long while to see a fraction of the cash owed to you |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:10:10 PM EDT
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Jesus effing Christ people I spelled out the order and how to go about it.
Earned employee wages come right after fully secured creditors, if you do not file with the bankruptcy court you will not be paid. You also may be protected depending on if pension and health benefits are done a certain way. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:20:48 PM EDT
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Lets just say that I would hold on to any collateral I had until I got what I earned. Laptop, vehicle, CC, etc. Not stealing if you have earned it, just an alternative form of payment provided by your (former) employer for services already rendered
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:28:38 PM EDT
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Lets just say that I would hold on to any collateral I had until I got what I earned. Laptop, vehicle, CC, etc. Not stealing if you have earned it, just an alternative form of payment provided by your (former) employer for services already rendered Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have seem the trustee have the popo come and take it back or made people pay if they disposed of an item listed on the table of assets. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:29:29 PM EDT
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Lets just say that I would hold on to any collateral I had until I got what I earned. Laptop, vehicle, CC, etc. Not stealing if you have earned it, just an alternative form of payment provided by your (former) employer for services already rendered Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile It is most definitely stealing. The assets are part of the bankruptcy, and are to be used as per the JUDGE in the bankruptcy proceedings. File your claim and wait in line, else that same JUDGE can have you arrested for stealing, contempt, and probably kicking your dog. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:31:02 PM EDT
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Had that happen to a place I had worked at for a month.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:36:53 PM EDT
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Unsecured creditor.....Pennies on the dollar awaits you.
I would still go ahead and file as a little is better than nothing. Those pennies mount up. 
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:40:56 PM EDT
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Soap in a sock party with all the ex workers.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:46:30 PM EDT
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Hate to break this to you now...but if the IRS can't get the withholdings your employer (embezzled) took from your paycheck and didn't submit...YOU could be held liable and you'll have to pay the IRS again.
Check with your tax advisor... |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:46:46 PM EDT
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I was laid off without warning the week after christmas 2008, they still owe me 1800.00 dollars
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:51:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Employees are unsecured debts, so last in line? I know the state and feds put themselves in first for taxes owed. Hell they can go after the employees for the money not paid by the employer if they want to. OP you aren't gonna see a dime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. Bullshit. Unless employees are being used to hide assets or some edge case.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:57:21 PM EDT
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I have seem the trustee have the popo come and take it back or made people pay if they disposed of an item listed on the table of assets. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lets just say that I would hold on to any collateral I had until I got what I earned. Laptop, vehicle, CC, etc. Not stealing if you have earned it, just an alternative form of payment provided by your (former) employer for services already rendered Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have seem the trustee have the popo come and take it back or made people pay if they disposed of an item listed on the table of assets. No problem, they can come and get them. I wouldnt waste a second of my time tracking down the trustee. I wonder how complete, current, and accurate an asset list a company would have that doesnt pay taxes. Hmmm..??? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:01:07 PM EDT
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How much are you talking?
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:09:24 PM EDT
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I was laid off without warning the week after christmas 2008, they still owe me 1800.00 dollars The lost wages are a tax deduction though. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:16:19 PM EDT
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This happened once to my Dad. This was his only job. Check bounced and he filed for restitution in bankruptcy court. IIRC he got 2 dollars and change for 2 weeks work a half a year later.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:20:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullshit. Unless employees are being used to hide assets or some edge case. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm assuming Ohio has a labor board for such things. They'll seize the assets of the company to settle the debts. Bullshit. Unless employees are being used to hide assets or some edge case. "Employers who do not comply with employment tax laws may be subject to Ok, not all the taxes, but the government can do some if they want to. This was a local place that owes $4 mil in back payroll taxes etc..criminal and civil sanctions for willfully failing to pay employment taxes,” said a statement from the IRS office in St. Louis. "Employees who do not have taxes withheld nor remit them personally are still liable for these taxes and may not qualify for Social Security, Medicare or unemployment benefits.” http://www.sj-r.com/article/20140110/NEWS/140119916/10283/NEWS?template=printart |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:25:12 PM EDT
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Boy that sucks, luckily wasnt your main source of income.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:30:32 PM EDT
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What kind of taxes are we talking about? Everyone is assuming payroll taxes when it maybe sales tax (hence State involvement). If it's sales tax, then that will get paid first.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:39:15 PM EDT
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As others have said, unfortunately you more than likely won't see a thing. Fuck this asshole, he just fucked over a few families.
If he "had no fault" in this, as in he wasn't paid for services or products rendered, I'd think he would mention that or give some warning of what was to come. Since that didn't seem to happen, I'd venture to say he was culpable. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:39:16 PM EDT
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too bad you could remove property from the place you worked at and sell it to regain your losses.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:40:26 PM EDT
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The lost wages are a tax deduction though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was laid off without warning the week after christmas 2008, they still owe me 1800.00 dollars The lost wages are a tax deduction though. That money would have been paid to me in 2009 I was laid off and on unemployment a tax break wasn't really anything I thought of as a positive. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:41:21 PM EDT
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My dad got paid one time in a situation lime this when he told the owner that he was going to kick his butt unless he paid him in cash right then. That was many years ago and I'm sure the law wouldn't have come down on him near as hard as they would now. Guy did pay him in cash right then.
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Posted: 1/26/2014 6:50:08 PM EDT
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Your ex-boss had to know this was coming. He is a POS of the highest order and I hope he gets what he deserves. Good luck bro... Not exactly. It could have been a screw up on the IRS side. They don't give warning. They contact the bank from their end. The accounts get locked. I've dealt with this before. You can get the accounts open the same day but the problem is if they close them on a Friday, it's going to take next week. I was working with an agent on my file and correcting a payment error. The agent said to send a check in. The next day, accounts are locked. I was able to correct it but it took all day. The agent had no concern about payroll. No concern about business operating. They couldn't care less. One person sitting on their fat ass in the govt job just shut down everything with a few keystrokes. They pretty much said "sorry, my bad". |
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