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Posted: 12/9/2013 12:53:00 PM EDT
Sorry if there is already a thread on this, but I seen this on the Blaze:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/12/09/gaining-steam-nearly-100-lawmakers-descend-on-mount-vernon-to-talk-convention-of-states/ "Close to 100 legislators from 32 states met in Mount Vernon, Va., Saturday to discuss the possibility of adding amendments to the U.S. Constitution through a convention of the states. Such a convention, as outlined in article five of the Constitution, would allow state legislatures to vote on amendments to add. No constitutional amendment has been added this way, but some say the Constitution specifically allows for states to use the convention as a means to push back against the federal government. Two-thirds of the state legislatures, or 34, must approve an application for a convention to occur, according to the Constitution’s article five. State legislatures would then send delegates to the convention, each state getting one vote on proposed amendments. For an amendment to pass and become a part of the Constitution, it would have to be approved by three-fourths, or 38, of the state legislatures. Lawmakers on Saturday discussed term limits on U.S. lawmakers and certain limits on federal taxation and spending as possible amendments, Red Millennial noted. State legislators stressed Saturday the bipartisan nature of support for the discussed amendments, citing a recent poll that shows 74 percent of Americans support a balanced budget amendment while another 75 percent support congressional term limits. Saturday’s Mount Vernon meeting was organized by Indiana state Sen. David Long and Wisconsin Rep. Chris Kapenga. There has been growing support for the idea of a convention, but there is also healthy skepticism. Still, regardless of whether one thinks it’s a realistic idea, Virginia and South Carolina have both pre-filed applications for a convention, meaning some are taking the idea very seriously. Saturday’s meeting represents the most recent attempt by legislators to discuss seriously the possibility of adding amendments to the Constitution through a convention." Shouldn't we be concerned about this? It could be good, but could also turn very bad for us, don't you think? |
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I don't think either side has the numbers to do anything, and nothing bi-partisan is going to happen anytime soon.
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country.
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When was the last time lawmakers met and didn't bend us over?
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Screw that.
We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. |
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility.
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Nothing gets passed if 1/4 of the States disapprove.
Put another way, nothing gets passed unless 3/4 of the States approve. IMHO, it would be a practical impossibility to get anything in the Bill of Rights diminished, including the Second Amendment. As of the moment, I'm strongly inclined to favor such a move. The alternatives should such a Convention fail to at least begin to turn things around are horrible to contemplate. |
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Here's their website:
Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 |
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They need to add repealing the 17th amendment to their agenda.
The problem is that the individual states have no representation in Congress while the People have too much power. Repealing the 17th would end that situation. |
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. View Quote This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. |
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Good luck with that. I'm sure the Supreme Court will help. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. Good luck with that. I'm sure the Supreme Court will help. There is a little-known and (AFAIK) unused provision in the Constitution that allows Congress to deny SCOTUS the jurisdiction to review a particular law that Congress has passed. If desired, Congress could cut out SCOTUS at will. Not saying it would be a good idea, but it could be done. |
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. Semantics. If it looks like a duck if it quacks like a duck, its a duck. The purpose of both is to change the constitution. |
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. View Quote I agree. Make it 10 years or some other number that puts them beyond the reach of most politicking but lifetime has to go. All we end up with is sleeping geezers. |
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. This |
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Not semantics.
The Constitution of the United States * * * * * * * * * * Article V The Congress, whenever two thirds of both houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose amendments to this Constitution, or, on the application of the legislatures of two thirds of the several states, shall call a convention for proposing amendments, which, in either case, shall be valid to all intents and purposes, as part of this Constitution, when ratified by the legislatures of three fourths of the several states, or by conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other mode of ratification may be proposed by the Congress; provided that no amendment which may be made prior to the year one thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any manner affect the first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article; and that no state, without its consent, shall be deprived of its equal suffrage in the Senate. The body of the Constitution will be no more damaged than by any previous amendment. The Constitution will not be replaced as has happened many times in the cases of several states. George Mason insisted on this feature just before the Constitution was signed; not a bad thing, and now might be the time to put it into play. It's either this, or an armed revolution to correct the nation's direction. By the way, everyone reading this can get involved and help guide the outcome. Or bitch and whine. |
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This is a good thing, it may be the last best hope for peaceful restoration of the Old Republic. The alternative will be painful.
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They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. View Quote May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here |
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I we had to make the Constitution today, we would be fucked. There would be no "Miracle at Philadelphia".
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Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ? Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . |
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A Constitutional cap on taxation is about the only solution we have left before being taxed into oblivion.
Funny, the avg guy, regardless of income, party or race, thinks the max tax rate should be around 25% or so. So it could be a populist issue in wavering states. |
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Motion to repeal Obamcare? View Quote Or a state compact to render Obamacare illegal within state signatories. Then sell insurance across state signatory lines, tort reform - loser pay, accredit doctors, and then sell catastrophic insurance to residence from outside the signatories. Then actively recruit the likes of Mayo and Cleveland to move to a 'free state'. |
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Here's their website: Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 View Quote But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad |
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Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ? Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . View Quote RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. |
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Mark Levin is a driving force behind this movement. He's on top of it.
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Screw that. We don't need to change the Constitution. We need to start following it. View Quote Roberts unequivocally demonstrated that the Supreme Court has no interest in doing so, and is in fact the greatest threat to it. If anyone suggested to the founding fathers that the government can force people to engage in commerce, they'd have been hit over the head with a cane. |
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Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ? Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . View Quote Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. |
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But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Here's their website: Article V Caucus Look at what they are about and then make up your mind. YMMV 112 But it will be used for bad eventually. It can work both ways. This is bad It is already bad and will only get worse. |
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Quoted: Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ? Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . Easier said than done. Business as usual in Washington DC is done with the approval of the SCOTUS. Yep.....dont we all know it |
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A Constitutional cap on taxation is about the only solution we have left before being taxed into oblivion. Funny, the avg guy, regardless of income, party or race, thinks the max tax rate should be around 25% or so. So it could be a populist issue in wavering states. View Quote I agree, but the only thing the article said is:" term limits on U.S. lawmakers and certain limits on federal taxation and spending as possible amendments, and discussed amendments, citing a recent poll that shows 74 percent of Americans support a balanced budget amendment while another 75 percent support congressional term limits. " It all sounds kind of vague, them didn't give much detail.. |
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Quoted: RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Not Fucking Good When was the last time they did this ? Is this going to signal the start of repeated beat downs from the existing tyrants until a convention goes their way ? Like prevously mentioned many times .....enforce the existing constitution and many issues would right themselves . RFI A convention of states has never been assembled. This is not a Constitutional Convention in which the existing Constitution is replaced with a new document. However, politicians being what they are, a close watch is required to insure a package of amendments adverse to the Republic is not proposed. RIF ? I didnt see where it hadnt been done yet . And yeah....a close watch is absolutely good advice ......but quite possibly in vain Im all for term limits and tax reforms but you know it wont stop there ...the fuckers will force it into the socialist favor before long , just wait and see |
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Quoted: May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They can include term limits on SCOTUS judges too, lifetime appointments are no good, that group is the one that can really make or bring down this country. May agree but how 'bout this: Just like a jury trial one member of the Supreme Court can rule a law unconstitutional. eta: not my idea - but heard it here I like it. The net effect would be less laws overall. We might lose a few beneficial ones, but an overall bias toward liberty is good for everyone.
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This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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A constitutional convention is a complete crap shoot. You have no idea going in what the outcome is going to be. It could be term limits or a balanced budget. It could just as easily be the abolition of the second or even first amendment. The one good thing about the process is I don't think you could get 38 state legislatures to agree the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, so it may just be an exercise in futility. This is not a constitutional convention, it's a convention of the states for proposing amendments. This is the alternative to bringing amendments out of Congress. See Article V. You might want to do some reading. What was the purpose of the meeting which resulted in the drafting of the Constitution |
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Mark Levin has been all over this. They are laying the ground RULES for a limited Constitutional Convention. They are ensuring that when/if a CC is convened it will not be a free-for-all.
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It's a potential disaster. Amendments can as easily repealed as added. The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's a start. It's a potential disaster. Amendments can as easily repealed as added. The Constitution is hard to amend for a reason. Edit: I misread. Any change would require 3/4 of the states to agree to it. Not an easy task. |
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They don't follow the Constitution now what difference would it make?
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Quoted: Nothing gets passed if 1/4 of the States disapprove. Put another way, nothing gets passed unless 3/4 of the States approve. IMHO, it would be a practical impossibility to get anything in the Bill of Rights diminished, including the Second Amendment. As of the moment, I'm strongly inclined to favor such a move. The alternatives should such a Convention fail to at least begin to turn things around are horrible to contemplate. View Quote This is a 17th Amendment work-around. Restoration of the power of the states. Good stuff. |
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