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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:45:50 PM EDT
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What's fucked up is that something like this actually has to go to court first before it can be deemed illegal.
Constitution means nothing to many people who are paid by the public. 
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:49:24 PM EDT
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So my car is safe from warrantless GPS surveillance, but what about my emails, telephone calls, and web browsing? |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:50:50 PM EDT
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So now they need a rubber stamp to place GPS trackers on suspect's cars?
That is refreshing... |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:53:22 PM EDT
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So the Third Circuit says, but will that stand at the SCOTUS level, if necessary? For that matter - what is the state of the issue in other parts of the country?
And in any case, heaven knows that once they get that warrant for you - and they will - it will be ordered sealed, so you won't know you're being tracked while thinking to yourself, "Thank goodness for the 3rd Circuit decision!" |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:55:02 PM EDT
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FPNI I came here to say just that
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:55:22 PM EDT
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Welcome to 2 years ago...
It has already been decided in the USSC. US vs Jones. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:55:59 PM EDT
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Small town LE guy here who is just fine with this ruling.
If it were to be protected then I wouldnt have a problem with an entrepreneur type making a business out of tracking cops and making it public. Public safety and all that in letting the public know where the closest cop is at all times. Yeah, the first time a cop goes off duty to go home and the data logging is used to disclose his home address, let the shit hit the fan. I like my privacy, i like that I do not have a take home patrol car advertising my house to everyone in the world be they good or bad. I feel if cops are gonna do detective/investigative things then they can do it the hard way by either doing tales/undercover or by doing warrants. Running around slapping things on cars claiming they are in a public area and free game is bullshit. Ordinary folk shouldnt be able to casually slap tracking devices on the property of another person and police shouldnt have any special privilege either. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:56:15 PM EDT
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Hmmm need warrant for GPS, but totally kewl for them to monitor you using your onboard GPS and/or cell phone.
nice. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:57:25 PM EDT
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Welcome to 2 years ago... It has already been decided in the USSC. US vs Jones. Yep. DUPE |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 6:57:58 PM EDT
[#10]
Welcome to several years ago.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:04:01 PM EDT
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Welcome to 2 years ago... It has already been decided in the USSC. US vs Jones. If you follow it to the ACLU site they say that the Supreme Court only ruled that it was a search, they didn't say what the level of scrutiny required was. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:08:31 PM EDT
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A search warrant isn't hard to write, and as others have said, this was settled a few years ago.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:11:20 PM EDT
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If you follow it to the ACLU site they say that the Supreme Court only ruled that it was a search, they didn't say what the level of scrutiny required was. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Welcome to 2 years ago... It has already been decided in the USSC. US vs Jones. If you follow it to the ACLU site they say that the Supreme Court only ruled that it was a search, they didn't say what the level of scrutiny required was. Some places were using court orders to place devices. SCOTUS said it is a search and a warrant is required. Seems pretty clear what is needed for a warrant. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:11:26 PM EDT
[#14]
...now if they'd just do something about all these seizure abuses.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:11:58 PM EDT
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Good.
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:23:11 PM EDT
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...now if they'd just do something about all these seizure abuses. Your old avatar was better |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 7:25:54 PM EDT
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Welcome to several years ago. Lol |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:10:50 PM EDT
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Do you really believe that anyone in Justice, in the FBI, any state police agency, any municipal agency, the NSA, the NRO, the CIA, or Homeland really gives a fuck what the courts say?
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:17:29 PM EDT
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When was the last time that a local, state or federal law enforcement type was actually punished for conducting an illegal search in violation of the 4th Amendment?
I don't mean unable to use the evidence in court. I mean suspended without pay, demoted, fined, fired or jailed. Punished. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:19:45 PM EDT
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When was the last time that a local, state or federal law enforcement type was actually punished for conducting an illegal search in violation of the 4th Amendment? I don't mean unable to use the evidence in court. I mean suspended without pay, demoted, fined, fired or jailed. Punished. All the time. |
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Posted: 10/24/2013 8:22:24 PM EDT
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All the time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When was the last time that a local, state or federal law enforcement type was actually punished for conducting an illegal search in violation of the 4th Amendment? I don't mean unable to use the evidence in court. I mean suspended without pay, demoted, fined, fired or jailed. Punished. All the time. So you must have an example to cite, right? An anecdote about some guy, your cousin's brother-in-law's nephew maybe, who is a deputy in South Dakota and got rapped across the knuckles for rooting through a guy's car without RS, PC or consent? |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:38:27 AM EDT
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I could name several at my dept.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:50:23 AM EDT
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I could name several at my dept. Then finding news articles should be easy. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:55:09 AM EDT
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So my car is safe from warrantless GPS surveillance, but what about my emails, telephone calls, and web browsing? Ever notice all the new cop cars with plate readers on the trunk? Or the EZ Pass receivers mounted under bridges along the interstate? In a few years, they won't need to stick a box under your car to track it. |
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Posted: 10/25/2013 5:57:26 AM EDT
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FPNI like the hammer of Thor.
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Posted: 10/25/2013 6:19:18 AM EDT
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Welcome to 2 years ago... It has already been decided in the USSC. US vs Jones. |
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Posted: 10/26/2013 11:18:15 AM EDT
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I could name several at my dept. Would you care to describe one instance in general terms? I have never heard of it happening and even one instance would be reassuring in some small measure. |
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