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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:29:07 AM EDT
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In for the butthurt....
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:30:24 AM EDT
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Permits?
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:31:36 AM EDT
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Visually disabled people have a right to self defense, too.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:33:00 AM EDT
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved.
About 80% who are legally blind (which is a tax code term, not a medical one) have some vision. One way a person can qualify as blind for tax purposes is to have his or her visual field reduced to 20% of normal. There are people who have a very limited field, but good acuity (the 20/xx measurement) within that field. They can shoot just fine. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:33:01 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a member here who is a paraphalegic who got his CHL so that he could keep a weapon on his person for his family to use?
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:34:17 AM EDT
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:34:19 AM EDT
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A blind guy with a shotgun gives me pause.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:35:28 AM EDT
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Doesn't say anything about vision in the 2nd amendment. Why does he even need a permit though? Should be able to walk in and buy one without question.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:35:28 AM EDT
[#9]
OP why do you hate freedom?
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:35:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. I don't care if the person uses echolocation like a bat to find the target. Quoted: A blind guy with a shotgun gives me pause. That's the whole idea.  |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:35:34 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:36:31 AM EDT
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You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:36:32 AM EDT
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he is a citizen just like you and me. Unless he proves that he can not be trusted with a right then he should maintain that right regardless of his disability.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:37:43 AM EDT
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? Even if he never even takes it out of the box should he be denied the ability to own it? nope. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:37:46 AM EDT
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Wasn't there a member here who is a paraphalegic who got his CHL so that he could keep a weapon on his person for his family to use? Uncle War Wagon? 
Not a bad idea. 
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:37:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? I don't care how they do it, as long as they can. I trust most people to be the best judges of whether or not they should carry weapons. Being blind doesn't mean you are stupid or that you have impaired judgement. ETA I am legally blind in one eye. It's amblyopic, so there is essentially no vision in the center where most people have their best acuity. I've tried shooting with that eye. If that was the extent of my vision, I would NOT carry a firearm. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:40:14 AM EDT
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I don't care how they do it, as long as they can. I trust most people to be the best judges of whether or not they should carry weapons. Being blind doesn't mean you are stupid or that you have impaired judgement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? I don't care how they do it, as long as they can. I trust most people to be the best judges of whether or not they should carry weapons. Being blind doesn't mean you are stupid or that you have impaired judgement. If they can negotiate a shoot house with shoot and don't shoot targets, then give them a permit. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:40:28 AM EDT
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter."
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:41:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they can negotiate a shoot house with shoot and don't shoot targets, then give them a permit. I suspect that a high percentage of normally sighted people with CCW permits can't do that. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:41:54 AM EDT
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Even if he never even takes it out of the box should he be denied the ability to own it? nope. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? Even if he never even takes it out of the box should he be denied the ability to own it? nope. I have no problem with ownership, the way the article reads is by "gun permit" they are taking about a conceal carry license. I'm not sure how I feel about someone who can't even read the application carry a firearm in public were a lot of variables are involved in a shooting situation. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:42:01 AM EDT
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I don't care how they do it, as long as they can. I trust most people to be the best judges of whether or not they should carry weapons. Being blind doesn't mean you are stupid or that you have impaired judgement. ETA I am legally blind in one eye. It's amblyopic, so there is essentially no vision in the center where most people have their best acuity. I've tried shooting with that eye. If that was the extent of my vision, I would NOT carry a firearm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? You have someone read you the questions, and you dictate the answers. do you have someone dictate the targets from the non targets as well? I don't care how they do it, as long as they can. I trust most people to be the best judges of whether or not they should carry weapons. Being blind doesn't mean you are stupid or that you have impaired judgement. ETA I am legally blind in one eye. It's amblyopic, so there is essentially no vision in the center where most people have their best acuity. I've tried shooting with that eye. If that was the extent of my vision, I would NOT carry a firearm. Agree however your right to own should not be dictated by your ability to use or the usefulness of that tool. so even if you had no arms and no eyes you should not be denied your right as a citizen unless you have been proven to dangerous to own one. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:42:20 AM EDT
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter." Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:42:21 AM EDT
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seems like they would have a very tough time with rule 4
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:42:48 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing the problem with this.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:43:17 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing the problem with this. 
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:43:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Agree however your right to own should not be dictated by your ability to use or the usefulness of that tool. so even if you had no arms and no eyes you should not be denied your right as a citizen unless you have been proven to dangerous to own one. I agree with this. There are people who are unable to drive but own cars. That is not a problem for anyone. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:48:58 AM EDT
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Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter." Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? maybe maybe not. I don't know enough about mental deficiency to know what someone with an IQ of 69 is like. can they tell the difference between right and wrong? Are they mentally stable? then sure why not? If they dont know what right and wrong are or cant tell what is real and make believe or lack the ability of self control then yea not so much. however mental deficiency and physical handicap are not the same here because when it comes down to it the act of shooting someone was a thought out decision not just some random physical response. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:49:30 AM EDT
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I'm not seeing the problem with this. i laughed |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:50:27 AM EDT
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WTF is a "gun permit"
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:52:59 AM EDT
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I agree with this. There are people who are unable to drive but own cars. That is not a problem for anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Agree however your right to own should not be dictated by your ability to use or the usefulness of that tool. so even if you had no arms and no eyes you should not be denied your right as a citizen unless you have been proven to dangerous to own one. I agree with this. There are people who are unable to drive but own cars. That is not a problem for anyone. They can't even pass retesting of older drivers without someone crowing about "limiting their freedom". Seems to me that the right to a firearm is a lot more clear than the right to drive on the roads. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:54:11 AM EDT
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WTF is a "gun permit" come to NC ill show you 
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:54:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF is a "gun permit" Iowa is one of a few states that require a state-issued permit for a person to buy a handgun. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:55:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They can't even pass retesting of older drivers without someone crowing about "limiting their freedom". Seems to me that the right to a firearm is a lot more clear than the right to drive on the roads. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Agree however your right to own should not be dictated by your ability to use or the usefulness of that tool. so even if you had no arms and no eyes you should not be denied your right as a citizen unless you have been proven to dangerous to own one. I agree with this. There are people who are unable to drive but own cars. That is not a problem for anyone. They can't even pass retesting of older drivers without someone crowing about "limiting their freedom". Seems to me that the right to a firearm is a lot more clear than the right to drive on the roads. Owning a car != Driving on the road. Stevie Wonder owns several high-end cars. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:56:05 AM EDT
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WTF is a "gun permit" come to NC ill show you Based upon the article, they appear to mean CCW permits and not New York-style licenses to purchase a gun. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 11:57:38 AM EDT
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Doesn't say anything about vision in the 2nd amendment. Why does he even need a permit though? Should be able to walk in and buy one without question. Iowa requires permits to own handguns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Iowa |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:02:29 PM EDT
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I went to a gun show with a friend.
He brough this blind friend. Degree of blindness I have no idea, but he had to be led around the show and be told what guns he was being handed. Dude was looking for a CCW piece. I still  at the whole idea.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:04:23 PM EDT
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I have a much bigger problem with the fact that a permit is even required in the first place.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:05:16 PM EDT
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In for the butthurt.... http://www.gannett-cdn.com/-mm-/a17cafc3aa630707fd74874b3ba32569e35cf7af/c=116-0-1888-1333&r=x383&c=540x380/local/-/media/USATODAY/GenericImages/2013/09/06/1378498218002-GAN-BLIND-GUN-PERMITS-090613-3.jpg http://robsmovievault.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/article-0-07d96796000005dc-818_468x371.jpg Look on the counter guys face is priceless! |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:05:38 PM EDT
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They ought to require eye tests before anyone is allowed to obtain a permit to carry a gun for self defense......................not really.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:06:55 PM EDT
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From a legal point of view, I'm fine with it. He's still responsible for what he does with it, same as you or me.
Not okay with the permit, though. Just let the dude buy what he wants.
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:06:55 PM EDT
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How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? That amorphous blob yelling "give me yo' money fo' I cut you!" is a properly identified target. And after many hours on pistol ranges I'm, convinced about a third of shooters are legally blind anyway. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:07:05 PM EDT
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How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If a person can distinguish between a target and a non-target, and hit the target reliably, I don't care what senses are involved. How can you do that when your vision is so bad you can't even read the ccw application in front of your face? get out commie no logic allowed thank you |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:07:18 PM EDT
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"Shall not infringe..."
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:08:35 PM EDT
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Doesn't say anything about vision in the 2nd amendment. Why does he even need a permit though? Should be able to walk in and buy one without question. Iowa requires permits to own handguns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Iowa Not to own, only to acquire. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:08:40 PM EDT
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If they can negotiate a shoot house with shoot and don't shoot targets, then give them a permit. Why impose tougher standards than on the rest of us? |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:09:31 PM EDT
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Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter." Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? get out commie just because a gun can kill someone stone dead with a tiny press on a trigger who says you need any ability to see your target or the brainpower to use the gun responsibly? fuck that shit |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:11:18 PM EDT
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"Shall not infringe..." This should be the only response in this thread. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:11:52 PM EDT
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get out commie just because a gun can kill someone stone dead with a tiny press on a trigger who says you need any ability to see your target or the brainpower to use the gun responsibly? fuck that shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter." Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? get out commie just because a gun can kill someone stone dead with a tiny press on a trigger who says you need any ability to see your target or the brainpower to use the gun responsibly? fuck that shit Cars kill far more people every year and they are still handing out licenses to women and Asians every day.
ETA. Who said shit about using the gun responsibly? we are talking about ownership. Do i think he could engage a target in a crowded mall? Hell no. Does not mean he should be denied the right to own or carry one. |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:13:23 PM EDT
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If they can negotiate a shoot house with shoot and don't shoot targets, then give them a permit. Why impose tougher standards than on the rest of us? yeah, reality is for fags |
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Posted: 9/10/2013 12:14:04 PM EDT
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Cars kill far more people every year and they are still handing out licenses to women and Asians every day.  http://youtu.be/pezdwLmU2H4Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My son asked me about this last night. I told him that "It's not the State's right to tell me how I can defend myself, regardless of any impairment. If a blind guy shoots someone by accident, then he is responsible." When he looked at me skeptically, I said "The state shouldn't limit what you can do simply because something bad MIGHT happen. If a blind man were to shoot the wrong person, he should be tried for manslaughter." Should a severely mentally retarded person (sub-70 IQ) be in the same boat? get out commie just because a gun can kill someone stone dead with a tiny press on a trigger who says you need any ability to see your target or the brainpower to use the gun responsibly? fuck that shit Cars kill far more people every year and they are still handing out licenses to women and Asians every day. http://youtu.be/pezdwLmU2H4
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