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Posted: 9/21/2002 2:48:28 PM EDT
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It's like the difference between Chevy and GMC trucks. The Armalite uses only the best of the forgings and finishings, while the Eagle gets the rest. Also, the Armalite comes with a lifetime warranty as opposed to the Eagle's one year warranty. Armalite doesn't offer their lowers seperately, where Eagle does. My next shooter is going to be an Eagle.
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Posted: 9/21/2002 2:53:55 PM EDT
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Thanks, DonR - do you know where I can pick up an Eagle lower? DO they have a website? And do you know appx. cost?
I want to make sure that they are identical with regards to being able to swap out Uppers. Does the quality of the lower have much (if any) effect on accuracy? |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 2:55:39 PM EDT
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See this thread: [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=62&t=139978[/url]
Go to [url]www.armalite.com[/url] and look at the FAQ. Also look in their catalog. Basically, the difference is the ArmaLite brand has a chromed line barrel, while the Eagle Arms brand has a chrome moly barrel, although it does seem like I saw a stainless barrel on an Eagle recently. Yes, you can buy a complete or lower Eagle Arms AR10 from ArmaLite. I can't really tell a difference in the lowers except the brand name. Perhaps the ArmaLite has a slightly better trigger, but I am not sure about that. Let's just say that the Eagle Arms lower, or complete rifle, is as good as anything else. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 3:00:57 PM EDT
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Greywolf, you shouldn't have any trouble being able to swap uppers. Cost on the Eagle stripped lower is $290.
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Posted: 9/21/2002 3:01:12 PM EDT
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Quoted: Am considering purchasing an AR-10 so as to get a .338 Whisper Upper and Suppressor. Is there any difference between the lower half of an Eagle Arms and an Armalite AR-10? Also, anyone know if you can simply buy a complete lower AR-10? Wont the suppressor put you over the "3 evil features" limit? |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 3:01:43 PM EDT
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It's "Eagle Arms by ArmaLite." Go to ArmaLite's website for info.
Like Don said, the cream of the production crop get the ArmaLite name and the rest get labeled with the Eagle Arms logo. They are completely compatable because they are the same and come from the same people. To take Don's analogy further, think; Chevy Caprice to Chevy Impala, Ford Galaxy to Ford LTD, Olds 98 to Olds 88. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 3:32:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: Also, anyone know if you can simply buy a complete lower AR-10? You can buy a complete AR-10 Eagle lower but mot an ArmaLite lower. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 3:52:24 PM EDT
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Armalite sells Eagle Arms stripped lowers, which means that, potentially, anyone can home build an Eagle Arms lower. The Armalite-brand lowers were originally built at the Armalite factory.
I don't see any difference in the stripped lowers. Parts is parts. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 4:10:10 PM EDT
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DonR - where did you find that price? I looked all over the Armalite site and didn't find anything other than individual parts for the AR-10.
I wonder if you can buy a complete (no assembly required) Eagle lower, and what the price is? If not, does anyone know what it would cost me for the stripped lower ($290) and all the other parts I'd need? Any special tools I need to put together the lower? Thanks, guys! Damn, I hope that .338 Whisper upper isn't too expensive. Anyone know if the AR-10 mags need to be modified for the .338? I wonder if the converted M-14 mags will work, too? |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 4:30:56 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Am considering purchasing an AR-10 so as to get a .338 Whisper Upper and Suppressor. Is there any difference between the lower half of an Eagle Arms and an Armalite AR-10? Also, anyone know if you can simply buy a complete lower AR-10? Wont the suppressor put you over the "3 evil features" limit? You can't put a suppressor (flash or sound) on a post-ban AR-10. Now if you were getting an original AR10, it would be different ([url]www.arms-ordnance.com/images/ar10.jpg[/url]). Detachable mag on a semi-auto "qualifies" it as a assult-weapon. Pistol grip is the one allowable evil-feature on the new AR10's. Any more is a no, no. |
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Posted: 9/21/2002 6:04:07 PM EDT
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Quoted: DonR - where did you find that price? I looked all over the Armalite site and didn't find anything other than individual parts for the AR-10. I wonder if you can buy a complete (no assembly required) Eagle lower, and what the price is? If not, does anyone know what it would cost me for the stripped lower ($290) and all the other parts I'd need? Any special tools I need to put together the lower? Thanks, guys! Damn, I hope that .338 Whisper upper isn't too expensive. Anyone know if the AR-10 mags need to be modified for the .338? I wonder if the converted M-14 mags will work, too? Hunt down Dave at www.quanticoarms.com. Good guy, for an active duty Marine, and good pricing. I checked him out with ArmaLite and they give him an A+ and he's an Industry Partner here on AR15.com. |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 6:46:28 AM EDT
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I may be mistaken, but I think he meant NFA type suppressor not a flash suppressor. Do the paperwork and you can put one on whatever you want.
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Posted: 9/22/2002 7:07:24 AM EDT
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Quoted: I may be mistaken, but I think he meant NFA type suppressor not a flash suppressor. Do the paperwork and you can put one on whatever you want. NFA sound suppressors are also considered "flash suppressors" by the ATF which is why they cant be used on a post ban semi auto rifle with a pistol grip |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 1:47:27 PM EDT
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Is this right? Unless I have a pre-ban lower, I can't put an NFA suppressor on it? I pay $200, get fingerprinted, photographed, etc. and STILL can't but a damn suppressor on it?
Damnit - may have to go with a bolt action then for my suppressed rifle. |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 1:53:24 PM EDT
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Quoted: Is this right? Unless I have a pre-ban lower, I can't put an NFA suppressor on it? I pay $200, get fingerprinted, photographed, etc. and STILL can't but a damn suppressor on it? Damnit - may have to go with a bolt action then for my suppressed rifle. If you have an NFA item, you can put it on a postban. That includes sound suppressors as well as registered auto sears. If fact, if I recall correctly, if you put a registered sear in a postban, you can then put all the preban features on that postban. |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 5:54:08 PM EDT
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Quoted: If you have an NFA item, you can put it on a postban. That includes sound suppressors as well as registered auto sears. If fact, if I recall correctly, if you put a registered sear in a postban, you can then put all the preban features on that postban. False. An autosear turns the host gun into a machine gun. As it is no longer legally a rifle, you can give it a <16" barrel, or be less than 26" overall, and add any other evil features you like. On a rifle, a sound suppressor is also (correctly) classified as a flash suppressor, and would increase the "evil item count" by 1 point. A stock AR10 already has it's 1 allowable feature in the pistol grip. Adding a 'can is the same as adding a FS, so you'd be over the limit and would have illegally created an "assault weapon." If you were to remove the pistol grip, an AR10 could have the 'can. So, while it isn't strictly necessary for a gun to be a "pre-ban" to have a 'can, it IS necessary for the gun to be a "pre-ban" if adding the 'can would take the gun over the feature limit of a legal post-ban. -Troy |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 6:36:31 PM EDT
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Could you lock a 20 round mag into it and then slap a suppressor on?
I don't own an AR-10 so I don't know what problems this would cause. |
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Posted: 9/22/2002 6:47:21 PM EDT
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The others are correct. Adding a suppressor, even if it the 3 lug type, will be adding up the 3 evil feature and create a "post ban assualt weapon." If you permanately attached a 10 round magazine, I believe you would be okay, but man that would be a bitch to load!
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