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Posted: 7/26/2002 7:03:25 PM EDT
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I have a 338 Win Mag, a knife, and a piece of visqueen. I can survive until I run out of cigarettes.
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Posted: 7/26/2002 7:16:02 PM EDT
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Quoted: I have a 338 Win Mag, a knife, and a piece of visqueen. I can survive until I run out of cigarettes. What the heck is "visqueen?" |
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Posted: 7/26/2002 7:17:00 PM EDT
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What is visqueen?
What happens when you run out of cigarettes? Do you turn into a pumpkin? |
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Posted: 7/26/2002 7:27:08 PM EDT
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What size Alice pack did you buy? Sm, Med, Lrg? Someone posted a good thread on bug-out-bags a few months ago. Lots of members posted their lists. I'd like to know what other's pack too.
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Posted: 7/26/2002 7:28:19 PM EDT
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Quoted: What is visqueen? What happens when you run out of cigarettes? Do you turn into a pumpkin? Visqueen is the plastic they put under new concrete floors. Not to many people out side the construction industry uses that word. It has hundreds of uses. We used to stretch it between two pickups with racks on them for and instant tent Take a 6'x10' piece, cut a hole in the middle and you have a rain suit. |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 9:10:46 AM EDT
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I feel your pain. Lately, I've tried to give some more thought to the BObag? and the situations that will/could warrant the need.
I've settled on three "options" (for want of a better word. 1) Main pack, to survive independently, most likely on foot, mostly in a rural/partial urban area. Must be capable of quickly shedding non-fighting essentials. 2) Minimalist pack for moving on foot through urban areas where most/all social services have broken down. (although NOT TEOTW situation) 3) Vehicle bag/packing plan...for moving small family a distance greater than crosstown. Needless to say, a work in progress. Is yours similar to my #2? Contents? Stay safe |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 9:18:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: What is visqueen? What happens when you run out of cigarettes? Do you turn into a pumpkin? Visqueen is the plastic they put under new concrete floors. Not to many people out side the construction industry uses that word. It has hundreds of uses. We used to stretch it between two pickups with racks on them for and instant tent Take a 6'x10' piece, cut a hole in the middle and you have a rain suit. Visqueen, Duct tape and the Blackhawk Patrol Pack...three of mans greatest inventions. [img]http://store2.blackhawkindustries.com/thumbs/t995.jpg[/img] |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 9:39:51 AM EDT
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very minimalist, except when it comes to firearms and medical supplies..... the two hardest things to scrounge and the two things that when you need then, YOU NEED THEM.
Weapon and acc, large aid bag, poncho(shelter and rain protection), 3 MRE's broken down to minimal packaging, 1 water filter/ bottle combo, 1 set OD coveralls (don't wanna get caught out in bright color clothing) and some cash and small trading fodder. In winter I add 1 set polypro and 1 light sleeping bag. And I just added a Yaesu VX-5R, a most amazing ham radio HT that is the size of a pack of ciggarettes but transmits on 3 ham bands, recives police and fire freqs, FM, AM and shortwave brodcasts. [url]elkel.ca/yaesu_a/vx-5r.htm[/url] I very strongly believe that in any situation information is the key to success, and with this unit I can listen to all public saftey freq's, AM, FM, and Shortwave broadcasts, and keep in touch with all the other hams out there or my family/friends who I supply with radios. I will know where the problems are, where they are not, and where to go/not go. That will keep me from hopefully having to ever use my weapons. A huge edge/advantage that only wieghs 255 grams! |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 10:48:27 AM EDT
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I've been pouring concrete floors for over a decade and have never heard the poly we use under floors called, "visqueen." We just call it poly or plastic. Hmmm.
My ALICE pack is the medium size, I think. Like I said earlier, I could probably survive indefinitely with this thing. Perhaps I've got too much EOTWAWKI stuff in it. It could use to lose 5-10lbs. anyway. |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 11:03:52 AM EDT
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The heavy clear plastic sheeting has been called Visqueen (not sure of spelling) for at least 40 years.
It can also be draped to catch rain water... for drinking! |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 11:20:04 AM EDT
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Quoted: .... And I just added a Yaesu VX-5R, a most amazing ham radio HT that is the size of a pack of ciggarettes but transmits on 3 ham bands, recives police and fire freqs, FM, AM and shortwave brodcasts. [url]elkel.ca/yaesu_a/vx-5r.htm[/url] I very strongly believe that in any situation information is the key to success, and with this unit I can listen to all public saftey freq's, AM, FM, and Shortwave broadcasts, and keep in touch with all the other hams out there or my family/friends who I supply with radios. I will know where the problems are, where they are not, and where to go/not go. That will keep me from hopefully having to ever use my weapons. A huge edge/advantage that only wieghs 255 grams! That's a pretty neat little unit. I don't know squat about ham radio, but have a friend who's into it. How much does a unit like that run? Is it versatile enough to be a "one and only" unit for someone who basically just wants it as a glorified scanner and SHTF radio? My "to buy" list just got a little longer, I think. [:D] |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 11:58:20 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's a pretty neat little unit. I don't know squat about ham radio, but have a friend who's into it. How much does a unit like that run? Is it versatile enough to be a "one and only" unit for someone who basically just wants it as a glorified scanner and SHTF radio? About $275 new in box, and yes... the only thing I would want other than that is a HF (shortwave) transciever for long distance comms.... but that requires much more power and is basicly for fixed or vehicle use... I wouldn't want to manpack the batteries. For basic SHTF use this, a larger external antenna, and a 12v cig lighter cord and a spare battery are a great way to go.... under $350 total package. for more info on ham radio see [url]www.eham.net[/url] [url]www.qrz.com[/url] [url]www.arrl.org[/url] My "to buy" list just got a little longer, I think. [:D] |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 12:07:02 PM EDT
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I tend to avoid military looking gear. I figure I want to look as much like a poor lost student as possible. Less trouble that way.
My BOB is a good mountain pack that could pass for camper/school type backpack. It's pretty easy to get something with dark colors. Midnight blue and black, for instance. I can always throw camo over it if I have to. |
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Posted: 7/27/2002 1:45:21 PM EDT
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What type of packs do y'all have ready to go and have you decided on being "minimalist" or have you gone overboard with them? Gregory Whitney [img]http://a1072.g.akamai.net/f/1072/2062/1h/gallery.rei.com/regularimages/682716.jpg[/img] My wife and I are both avid backpackers and spend a lot on the best gear we can afford. With a capacity over 6,000 cubic inches, and a suspension system that makes even a 70 pound load easy to carry, you could easily live out of this bag for months. I'm a minimalist in the sense that I only carry what will make me comfortable and safe in the worst situation that I can forsee myself getting into for the duration of my trip. And then I overdo it. This last winter my pack weighed about 70 lbs including food and water for four days. I think my wifes pack weighed in at about 45 lbs. In hot weather my pack usually weighs closer to 50 lbs and my wifes is closer to 35 or 40. Needless to say, after a couple of days walking through the woods with you life on your back you begin to re-evaluate certain things. Like, "Do we really both need our own toothbrush?" and other weight saving things. I could list everything we carry, but it would take up a lot of space. [:)] |
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