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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:22:03 PM EDT
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If we responded, which I have my doubts that the current regime would, there are already nuclear capable strike aircraft (F-16's, F-18's, and F-15E's) in theater.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:25:25 PM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. First we would have to pretend NK actually had nukes..... But 20 minutes or so we could respond. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:25:31 PM EDT
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By the time we got there, I think the conventional warheads from China, Japan, Russia, and the rest of South Korea would leave pretty slim pickings as far as target acquisition. The Norks are not well liked.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:26:30 PM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Somewhere in the Pacific is a boomer that could hit the Norks within minutes. The one question that would slow it down is how China would react to mushroom clouds near their border. For that reason, I would suspect the US would never launch nukes at the Norks. The only exception would be if the Norks somehow hit the US. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:31:09 PM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Somewhere in the Pacific is a boomer that could hit the Norks within minutes. The one question that would slow it down is how China would react to mushroom clouds near their border. For that reason, I would suspect the US would never launch nukes at the Norks. The only exception would be if the Norks somehow hit the US. Oh yeah. Forgot about the underwater boats. 
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:31:12 PM EDT
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This giant pussy of a President we have, would never use nukes.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:31:53 PM EDT
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Then North Korea will officially be best Korea.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:32:25 PM EDT
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This giant pussy of a President we have, would never use nukes. You're probably right  but I was just asking from a purely logistic perspective.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:34:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: This giant pussy of a President we have, would never use nukes. You're probably right but I was just asking from a purely logistic perspective.He's right that fucking bitch would apologize for SK being in the way of their bomb and send them some money |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:36:37 PM EDT
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i doubt they will even if they had nukes.
SK is a great enemy for the regime and the leaders know where they stand in the world. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:37:43 PM EDT
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Obama doesn't really control shit. If NK nuked SK then China would probably spank their asses like a big brother, and if they didn't we'd bomb the shit out of them and no one would do shit. We probably wouldn't nuke them, but not because we're worried about hurting feelings, we'd probably be more concerned about fallout affecting our troops and their families and the SKs.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:40:20 PM EDT
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How about we don't imagine this scenario.
I have family in Seoul. 
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:42:29 PM EDT
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Yep, the response would come from a Fleet Ballistic Missile submarine as the vast majority of our nukes ride the Ohios.
W88s' are just under 500KT. Bang. Man Battlestations Missile, Set Condition 1SQ. Ray |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:48:06 PM EDT
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If we're going to start tossing nukes, I don't think the method of delivery is going to matter a bit. The main thing would be to notify that Russians that they will soon detect a launch and to let them know the destination of the missile just so that there aren't any misunderstandings. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 9:50:12 PM EDT
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NK Nuke misses its target
NK realizing they went all-in proceeds to shell Seoul SK moves in from the south Chinese Army pushes deep into the undefended north (the world gets to see if Chinese military can do logistics and supply a large fighting force) Vast amounts of North Koreans die fighting, PLA just murdering everything along their way. PLA and SK forces meet, Cold War 2.0 fin
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:16:32 PM EDT
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It wouldn't surprise me if there are a few B-2's sitting at Andersen/Kadena/Osan/Yokota just for such an occurrence.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 10:59:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:05:48 PM EDT
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As much as I dispise " the kenyan" I doubt he would do nothing.
We have plenty of conventional weapons that would destroy their capitol and take the fight out of them in short order. ED |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:09:25 PM EDT
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The thought that China would get into a world war over NK is asinine.
NK doesn't have any targets that conventional cruise missiles can't hit. I doubt nukes would be remotely necessary, their air force is worse than Iraq's in the first gulf war.
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:10:15 PM EDT
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They don't want to Nuke Seoul, they want all of the peninsula for themselves.
They will arty the shit out of it, and they will most likely try to "slime" Osan and Kunsan, they would try to Nuke Misawa, Yokota, and Kadena, because they don't want any part of Japan. |
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Posted: 5/13/2012 11:11:34 PM EDT
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There is no credible scenario for the US to nuke NK. Prevailing winds blow from north to south so nuking the north means fallout affects the ROK. If the ROK is winning the ground fight then no sense in nuking ground they will have to walk over. If the ROKs are losing it means we are nuking our ally's terrain... bad juju.
I don't see US use of nukes unless US ground is nuked and we have a viable target to retaliate against. And no, there are no B-2s with nukes in the ROK, Japan, Guam or Hawaii. All ground based nukes were pulled back to CONUS in the early '90s. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:05:17 AM EDT
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Obama doesn't really control shit. If NK nuked SK then China would probably spank their asses like a big brother, and if they didn't we'd bomb the shit out of them and no one would do shit. We probably wouldn't nuke them, but not because we're worried about hurting feelings, we'd probably be more concerned about fallout affecting our troops and their families and the SKs. We have troops in Seoul, don't we? The US has a long-standing "agreement" that if our troops are attacked with ANY NBC weapon, we will retaliate in kind. Since we don't have any bio weapons (officially) then this means either chem or nuke weapons. Of course, with our current CinC... nothing is possible. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:08:37 AM EDT
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They will never nuke Seoul, they have thousands of convential tubes and rockets pointed at Seoul, enough to completely destroy it, conventionally. And the Kenyan would do nothing but posture and monitor with drones.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:14:29 AM EDT
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Obama doesn't really control shit. If NK nuked SK then China would probably spank their asses like a big brother, and if they didn't we'd bomb the shit out of them and no one would do shit. We probably wouldn't nuke them, but not because we're worried about hurting feelings, we'd probably be more concerned about fallout affecting our troops and their families and the SKs. We have troops in Seoul, don't we? The US has a long-standing "agreement" that if our troops are attacked with ANY NBC weapon, we will retaliate in kind. Since we don't have any bio weapons (officially) then this means either chem or nuke weapons. Of course, with our current CinC... nothing is possible. We have no chem or bio. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:22:55 AM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Your assuming we would respond. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:36:32 AM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Strategic weapons - *capable* or responding very quickly Theater weapons - probably not capable of as quick of a response unless escalating tensions drove a change in posture Silly question though - NK's nukes are probably intended as a deterrent against the US, not as a first strike weapon against the south |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:37:32 AM EDT
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But we'll use nukes on anyone that slimes or bugs us.
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Obama doesn't really control shit. If NK nuked SK then China would probably spank their asses like a big brother, and if they didn't we'd bomb the shit out of them and no one would do shit. We probably wouldn't nuke them, but not because we're worried about hurting feelings, we'd probably be more concerned about fallout affecting our troops and their families and the SKs. We have troops in Seoul, don't we? The US has a long-standing "agreement" that if our troops are attacked with ANY NBC weapon, we will retaliate in kind. Since we don't have any bio weapons (officially) then this means either chem or nuke weapons. Of course, with our current CinC... nothing is possible. We have no chem or bio. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:42:28 AM EDT
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The administration will send a very nasty letter to Pyongyang… it might be the nastiest letter ever sent by an American president… ever! |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:45:44 AM EDT
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In that scenario it is more likely NK would nuke Pyongyang.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 2:52:01 AM EDT
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I believe, if this scenario happened, the U.S. would respond with those tactical battlefield nukes you've heard so much about.
The trick would be not to get a response from the Chinese or Russians from whatever we do. High alerts would be the order of the day for some time, lots of finger pointing, posturing and pressers from everyone in the area. One thing is certain however, North Korea's current leadership would dissolve and peace would eventually find those two countries after 50 years. Then again, I'm not very knowledgeable in this area. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 3:05:39 AM EDT
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Our present leadership will do nothing. They will wring their hands, and then blame the Republicans for the whole mess.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:23:29 AM EDT
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AFTER we return to the States at the end of June....
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How about we don't imagine this scenario. I have family in Seoul. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:30:02 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Strategic weapons - *capable* or responding very quickly Theater weapons - probably not capable of as quick of a response unless escalating tensions drove a change in posture Silly question though - NK's nukes are probably intended as a deterrent against the US, not as a first strike weapon against the south Their nukes are actually more of a propaganda/blackmail tool than anything else. If the Norks ever move on the South it's going to be for its resources. Using nukes would be counterproductive, to say the least. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 5:57:54 AM EDT
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There is no credible scenario for the US to nuke NK. Prevailing winds blow from north to south so nuking the north means fallout affects the ROK. If the ROK is winning the ground fight then no sense in nuking ground they will have to walk over. If the ROKs are losing it means we are nuking our ally's terrain... bad juju. I don't see US use of nukes unless US ground is nuked and we have a viable target to retaliate against. And no, there are no B-2s with nukes in the ROK, Japan, Guam or Hawaii. All ground based nukes were pulled back to CONUS in the early '90s. Just to point out that if the Norks Nuke the south there would already be fall out heading south. BTW i think NK is a one nuke job. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:04:15 AM EDT
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First of all, if NK does actually have a nuke, which they don't, they couldn't deliver it across the street. So Seoul is in no danger. Second, If they somehow found a way to make one, then get it to Seoul, it it would be suicide. They would have no followup capability, and no defense. One shot, goodbye. What would be the point?
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:11:56 AM EDT
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That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. There are boats within a hundred miles which will deliver a weapon far faster than that. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:17:30 AM EDT
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NK would be quickly bombed back into the Stone Age. That would be a vast lifestyle improvement for most North Koreans.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:20:39 AM EDT
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I believe of of the sayings of the guys that hang out below the prairies of Nebraska and the Dakotas is "Guaranteed in 30 minutes or less"
eta: blackhawk5 beat me to it. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:25:47 AM EDT
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This giant pussy of a President we have, would never use nukes. Your right......but he'll write a sternly worded letter and even bow when he gives it to them... |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:36:15 AM EDT
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The majority of the wait time would be in confirmation, decision, and then execution.
Ohio Class SSBN off their coast could deliver Trident II SLBM in ten to fifteen minutes once it was launched to target max. Obviously though there is no way we'd do that, because the risk of fallout over China and Russia would be too high an invite retaliation from both nations. Conventional Air Strikes would be carried out together with total invasion of North Korea. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:47:38 AM EDT
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This giant pussy of a President we have, would never use nukes. You're probably right but I was just asking from a purely logistic perspective.I believe we and the world could respond/destroy N Korea with conventional weaponry. I may take days instead of minutes but the result would be the same. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:54:48 AM EDT
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South Korea has a huge industrial base, an very modern military, and shit tons of money. it wouldn't surprise me too much if they handled the nuclear retaliation themselves.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 6:59:59 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Somewhere in the Pacific is a boomer that could hit the Norks within minutes. The one question that would slow it down is how China would react to mushroom clouds near their border. For that reason, I would suspect the US would never launch nukes at the Norks. The only exception would be if the Norks somehow hit the US. If the norks hit Seoul without provocation with a nuke, China would give us the green light to do whatever we wanted to do, up to and including nukes of our own. Hell, they may do the job first. I suspect that they have informed the batshit-insane-leader that this is exactly what would happen. You really don't want that kind of crazy in a neighbor. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:02:32 AM EDT
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How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Somewhere in the Pacific is a boomer that could hit the Norks within minutes. The one question that would slow it down is how China would react to mushroom clouds near their border. For that reason, I would suspect the US would never launch nukes at the Norks. The only exception would be if the Norks somehow hit the US. If the norks hit Seoul without provocation with a nuke, China would give us the green light to do whatever we wanted to do, up to and including nukes of our own. Hell, they may do the job first. I suspect that they have informed the batshit-insane-leader that this is exactly what would happen. You really don't want that kind of crazy in a neighbor. China most certainly would not green light a nuclear weapon attack that would cause them a serious refugee and environmental health problem. No way. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:11:15 AM EDT
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China would occupy DPRK and install their own regime.I believe this is what would happen before or shortly after a conventional war.China uses the Norks as their own hidden labor,drug makers,counterfeiters etc as well as taking food from the prison farms that th eNorks really can't spare.Trade between the countries is $3.5 billion per year and provides China with a buffer from and nuisance to the US,ROK and Japan.
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:17:32 AM EDT
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The administration will send a very nasty letter to Pyongyang…it might be the nastiest letter ever sent by an American president… ever!
This is the correct answer. Our first gay president, alias the foreigner in chief, would shoot off a note so fast heads will spin faster than if somebody had fired off a 10mm. The wording would be NSFW, so don't expect it to be published. It would be shelved along with the information on our cia informants, and kept so secret, Oh, wait, what? |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:22:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:25:35 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How quickly could the US respond with our own nukes? Would the use of ICBM's still be "taboo"? The use of B-2's from Whiteman AFB would seem likely, but that's still a what, 20 hour flight? That's a long time to reply to a nuclear attack. Somewhere in the Pacific is a boomer that could hit the Norks within minutes. The one question that would slow it down is how China would react to mushroom clouds near their border. For that reason, I would suspect the US would never launch nukes at the Norks. The only exception would be if the Norks somehow hit the US. If the norks hit Seoul without provocation with a nuke, China would give us the green light to do whatever we wanted to do, up to and including nukes of our own. Hell, they may do the job first. I suspect that they have informed the batshit-insane-leader that this is exactly what would happen. You really don't want that kind of crazy in a neighbor. China most certainly would not green light a nuclear weapon attack that would cause them a serious refugee and environmental health problem. No way. If the norks nuke Seoul, that ship has sailed. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:26:32 AM EDT
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NK would be quickly bombed back into the Stone Age. That would be a vast lifestyle improvement for most North Koreans. "Back into the stone age"? I really don't think they have made it out of the stone age yet. |
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Posted: 5/14/2012 7:28:57 AM EDT
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Quoted: China would occupy DPRK and install their own regime.I believe this is what would happen before or shortly after a conventional war.China uses the Norks as their own hidden labor,drug makers,counterfeiters etc as well as taking food from the prison farms that th eNorks really can't spare.Trade between the countries is $3.5 billion per year and provides China with a buffer from and nuisance to the US,ROK and Japan. China props up the north because they don't want the refugee crisis that a collapsed nork state will entail. Drug makers, labor, LOL. China has plenty of those things... And it doesn't need counterfeiting. They have all of our money that they need... The "prison farm food" in the north doesn't even feed the prison farms. |
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