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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:29:22 PM EDT
 Watching military channel.
Showing AA12 auto shotgun. According to the expert... 1. It is stainless steel so it doesn't rust. 2. Since it doesn't rust you don't need lubrication 3. Since you don't have to lube it, no dirt can attach to lube so NO JAMS. 4. Since it is automatic it doesn't have any recoil. Awesome!!!!! 
ETA: Wasn't there a gun once they said didn't need cleaning?
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:40:38 PM EDT
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The big hole in the back of the drum does not in any way look like a way for large amounts of crap to get in there and lock it up, not one little bit.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:41:42 PM EDT
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Was Baldo the Wonder SEAL talking about it?
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:41:51 PM EDT
[#3]
Here's another pic
and here the FRAG-12 "high explosive shell" 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:43:17 PM EDT
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Stainless on stainless tends to gall horribly, even with copious amounts of lubricant. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:45:31 PM EDT
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Stainless on stainless tends to gall horribly, even with copious amounts of lubricant. Fixed years ago by using two different types of SS. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:45:33 PM EDT
[#6]
It's pretty much a ripoff of the USAS-12.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:47:10 PM EDT
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I've seen stainless steel show rust spots within weeks of being introduced to the Miami humidity and salty air. Stainless just means it rusts slower.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:49:28 PM EDT
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If there's one thing true about stainless steel, it's that it isn't.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:49:36 PM EDT
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Stainless on stainless tends to gall horribly, even with copious amounts of lubricant. Fixed years ago by using two different types of SS. Yep. All that's necessary is that the alloys that are in direct contact are dissimilar enough. Not that hard to deal with, though it must be remembered during design. (And more importantly, during final production preparations.) |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:50:52 PM EDT
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Call of Duty MW2 says its awesome, and COD is never wrong so it must be great/practical.
Honestly though it does look like a pretty promising design. It might be a bit heavy, especially with ammo, but it still looks very cool/useful. Some of the marketing though is a bit over the top, but its not like that is unusual for the firearms industry especially when potentially large military/law enforcement contracts are involved. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:51:45 PM EDT
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I've seen stainless steel show rust spots within weeks of being introduced to the Miami humidity and salty air. Stainless just means it rusts slower. This FTW!!! I lived in Coral Gables. People would all buy stainless revolvers back then. Guess what? THEY ALL RUSTED!! You still have to lube the shit out of any gun in Miami. And the guys who keep a gun on the boat? You better make it a revolver, pack it in heavy grease and wrap in oil soaked cloth. I don't know who was talking. It is that ultimate weapons show. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:53:11 PM EDT
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It's pretty much a ripoff of the USAS-12. No its not. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:53:29 PM EDT
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stainless=SS=stains less
it WILL rust |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:57:42 PM EDT
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I've seen stainless steel show rust spots within weeks of being introduced to the Miami humidity and salty air. Stainless just means it rusts slower. This FTW!!! I lived in Coral Gables. People would all buy stainless revolvers back then. Guess what? THEY ALL RUSTED!! You still have to lube the shit out of any gun in Miami. And the guys who keep a gun on the boat? You better make it a revolver, pack it in heavy grease and wrap in oil soaked cloth. I don't know who was talking. It is that ultimate weapons show. I bought an AN/PVS-14 case and threw my SS 1911 in it with a bunch of dessicant packets. Then I threw my hands up and sold it for a USP. Nary a problem with that finish. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 6:57:47 PM EDT
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that shit is clunky and huge.
just use a saiga12 with an md20 drum. kalashnikov ftw |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:00:19 PM EDT
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I've seen stainless steel show rust spots within weeks of being introduced to the Miami humidity and salty air. Stainless just means it rusts slower. This FTW!!! I lived in Coral Gables. People would all buy stainless revolvers back then. Guess what? THEY ALL RUSTED!! You still have to lube the shit out of any gun in Miami. And the guys who keep a gun on the boat? You better make it a revolver, pack it in heavy grease and wrap in oil soaked cloth. I don't know who was talking. It is that ultimate weapons show. I bought an AN/PVS-14 case and threw my SS 1911 in it with a bunch of dessicant packets. Then I threw my hands up and sold it for a USP. Nary a problem with that finish. Good info. The problem is these guys thought since they had "stainless" guns, they didn't have to worry about it. FAIL!!! I miss Miami!!! |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:00:35 PM EDT
[#17]
No lube needed means it must have zero moving parts, right?
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:00:42 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted: stainless=SS=stains less it WILL rust Bingo. You just have to abuse it more to get it to happen.  |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:02:28 PM EDT
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that shit is clunky and huge. just use a saiga12 with an md20 drum. kalashnikov ftw I've got both and I can tell you they've got something with that mag loading mechanism. Loading a full MD-20 drum on a saiga can be tricky. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:04:04 PM EDT
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No lube needed means it must have zero moving parts, right? Eggsactly. I LOLd immediately. If it has metal and moves it needs lube. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:08:23 PM EDT
[#21]
In one of the futureweapons vids, you can see it malfunction.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:15:03 PM EDT
[#22]
No lube, and no recoil?
Good luck with that.
ETA- Of course, if you don't lube it, it eventually won't have any recoil, because it won't run anymore. 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:20:43 PM EDT
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If there's one thing true about stainless steel, it's that it isn't. Depends what kind of stainless. High grade stainless and some of the nitrogen alloy steels ARE rust proof. You can leave them in salt water for weeks or months and nothing will ever happen. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:22:38 PM EDT
[#24]
Quoted: If there's one thing true about stainless steel, it's that it isn't. it just stains-less |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:26:40 PM EDT
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The metal of choice around salty air or salt water is titanium or high titanium alloys. Those metallic luster looking ROV arms that you saw in the Deep Water Horizon well rescue and recovery thread here...that was titanium structure...will not rust or corrode in salt water.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:34:57 PM EDT
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If I'm not mistaken the real selling point of the AA-12 is that it has very little recoil making it very controllable when fired in full auto.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:41:23 PM EDT
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I've seen stainless steel show rust spots within weeks of being introduced to the Miami humidity and salty air. Stainless just means it rusts slower. It took me a while to figure that out when I was younger. I then broke down the word: stain-less. If it didn't rust they'd call it no-stain.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:41:40 PM EDT
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When they gonna release a civvie version? |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:50:00 PM EDT
[#29]
I have a concept for a shotgun in my head that makes that thing look stupid, and ancient.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 7:59:35 PM EDT
[#30]
That thing has been around in the gun press since the 80s, and so far no civilian version.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:00:52 PM EDT
[#31]
I wonder how it runs with 3" 000 or slugs.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:20:40 PM EDT
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Stainless on stainless tends to gall horribly, even with copious amounts of lubricant. Fixed years ago by using two different types of SS. Yep. All that's necessary is that the alloys that are in direct contact are dissimilar enough. Not that hard to deal with, though it must be remembered during design. (And more importantly, during final production preparations.) To the degree that you could run it as an un-lubricated contact point in a firearm action 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:21:53 PM EDT
[#33]
Yeah, well, it was pretty bad ass in The Expendables.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:22:13 PM EDT
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That's funny, it jams in the future weapons video showcasing it.
 goto 5:50 fn02le8e0nQ I'd rather have a Benelli or Saiga, especially since they won't sell to civilians/Non-LEO, even if I could get one legally. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:23:51 PM EDT
[#35]
My sweat is killing my Benchmade 551SBK made of stainless steel.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:24:05 PM EDT
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Not necessary.
The Benelli m4 is a superior gun. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:29:10 PM EDT
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Dosent much matter, single purpose shotgun, with a unpurposful design.
Unless your in video game design. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:29:57 PM EDT
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That thing has been around in the gun press since the 80s, and so far no civilian version. No it hasn't. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:34:09 PM EDT
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yea in mw2 its a one shot kill from just under a mile away. quite possibly the best sniping weapon on the game.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:35:29 PM EDT
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That thing has been around in the gun press since the 80s, and so far no civilian version. Well, since no new MG's can be sold on the civilian market that were made after '86, wtf do you expect? |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 8:48:34 PM EDT
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Quoted: yea in mw2 its a one shot kill from just under a mile away. quite possibly the best sniping weapon on the game. you're thinking of the Masterkey. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 9:03:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Based off those spokesmen I tend to think the makers of the AA12 are an extremely small shop.
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Posted: 9/7/2010 9:33:31 PM EDT
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Ya think
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Posted: 9/7/2010 9:36:12 PM EDT
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Call of Duty MW2 says its awesome, and COD is never wrong so it must be great/practical.
Honestly though it does look like a pretty promising design. It might be a bit heavy, especially with ammo, but it still looks very cool/useful. Some of the marketing though is a bit over the top, but its not like that is unusual for the firearms industry especially when potentially large military/law enforcement contracts are involved. No way, everybody know that the Spas or the Striker are way better in COD. 
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Posted: 9/7/2010 9:38:14 PM EDT
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that shit is clunky and huge. just use a saiga12 with an md20 drum. kalashnikov ftw I've got both and I can tell you they've got something with that mag loading mechanism. Loading a full MD-20 drum on a saiga can be tricky. +1 I have an MD20, and while it is a great and very well built drum, it is not the easiest thing to load. I have reduced the tension and it still takes me a while to load it up, I could not imagine trying to reload that thing during combat. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:12:55 PM EDT
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It's pretty much a ripoff of the USAS-12. Nope.......designed before the USAS-12 by Max Atchisson 1972. It actually the only gun deal I've been screwed on. They where going to build it back in the early 80's. I sent in a couple hundred bucks to get one of the first ones......but the company ripe everbody including Atchisson off and never built it. . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atchisson_Assault_Shotgun |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:22:29 PM EDT
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That thing has been around in the gun press since the 80s, and so far no civilian version. No it hasn't. Yes it has, here's a picture that was submitted during the patent process in 1987 
EDIT: link to pic and some more history... http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh29-e.htm And technically, the USAS-12 was derived from the original design of the AA-12, which was done in the early 1970's, and evolved to the current model |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:32:09 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That thing has been around in the gun press since the 80s, and so far no civilian version. No it hasn't. Yes it has, here's a picture that was submitted during the patent process in 1987 http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/atchisson3.jpg EDIT: link to pic and some more history... http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/sh29-e.htm And technically, the USAS-12 was derived from the original design of the AA-12, which was done in the early 1970's, and evolved to the current model The USAS-12 is a 12ga variant of the ROK's Daewoo assault rifle. In the same sense that the Saiga-12 is a 12ga variant of the AKM. |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:33:57 PM EDT
[#49]
Quoted: Quoted: that shit is clunky and huge. just use a saiga12 with an md20 drum. kalashnikov ftw I've got both and I can tell you they've got something with that mag loading mechanism. Loading a full MD-20 drum on a saiga can be tricky. Supposedly, there is a new variant of the S-12 coming, with a factory magwell, rather than rock-n-lock... Of course, that won't do much for those who already own rock-n-lock S-12 gear... |
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Posted: 9/7/2010 10:35:53 PM EDT
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apparently it shoots through platoons
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