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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:33:01 AM EDT
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Is Safariland Tier 1 ?
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:36:00 AM EDT
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It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:39:06 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:40:00 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I'd take IIIA for $200. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:40:10 AM EDT
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It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out. Strange. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:41:44 AM EDT
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It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out. Same error, mac with safari or FF. eta or Chrome |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:42:45 AM EDT
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It doesn't allow me to pick a size...the drop down menu is grayed out. Strange. Can't pick a size even though it tells me I am required to when I add to cart?? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:43:38 AM EDT
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I'm not up on the latest body armor news, but IIRC Twaron and Gold-Flex are not aramid fiber Kevlar products, right?
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:45:59 AM EDT
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I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing.
Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike. Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:46:35 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:03 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I'd take IIIA for $200. I got one and it was about that delivered - in a pizza box. In the basement and I hope to never need it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:26 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:48:51 AM EDT
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I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing. Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike. Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:49:34 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC Yes but I got one of the more expensive ones for around $300. Great deal. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:51:34 AM EDT
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Quoted: That's the mark of a quality company. Quoted: Quoted: Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I'd take IIIA for $200. I got one and it was about that delivered - in a pizza box. In the basement and I hope to never need it.  |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:52:01 AM EDT
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Link doesn't help much and it's II soft armor
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:52:40 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC According to NIJ 0101.03 lvl II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there. Hirtenberger 9mm can still be had. I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:53:20 AM EDT
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I'm not up on the latest body armor news, but IIRC Twaron and Gold-Flex are not aramid fiber Kevlar products, right? I think you're thinking WOVEN vs. LAMINATED. IIRC,Twaron is a woven aramid and Gold-Flex is a laminated aramid. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:53:48 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. How much more uncomfortable is IIIA to wear? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:56:12 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there. I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though. Which is why I got the IIIA |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:57:06 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. How much more uncomfortable is IIIA to wear? It's a little stiffer but my new vest actually weighs less than my old one. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:58:32 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. How much more uncomfortable is IIIA to wear? Mine is very comfy, but then again I don't wear it for 8-10 hours. I wore it maybe an hour or two on a few ocassions and tossed it back in the pizza box 
If I need it, I have it and doubt I will ever need it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 5:59:14 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there. I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though. Which is why I got the IIIA They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:00:55 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC According to NIJ 0101.03 II won't stop .44 Magnum Lead Semi-Wadcutter at ~1,400 fps or 9 mm FMJ at ~1,400 fps. Not common loads, but still the potential to be out there. I suppose it's a little more comfortable to wear if you have to wear it all the time. Definitely doesn't protect against all pistol though. Which is why I got the IIIA They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that. No idea - I didn't check the posted link as I bought a IIIA a while ago and I am set as far as a vest goes. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:03:01 AM EDT
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They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that. Galls had a vest clearance sale last year that a bunch of us bought vests. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:05:09 AM EDT
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They have the Safariland Silver Vest Package in IIIA for $199? I'd be all over that. Galls had a vest clearance sale last year that a bunch of us bought vests. I'll have to check them out on the web. ETA Galls has their standard IIIA for $399, not too bad. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:05:34 AM EDT
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do you have to be leo to buy from this store
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:08:56 AM EDT
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Not as far as I know
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:09:19 AM EDT
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Quoted: do you have to be leo to buy from this store No but they fuck their pricing up quite a bit on specials, won't honor advertised pricing and cancel orders with no notification. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:15:55 AM EDT
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what level is standard issue for most leo
what level is required to stop a rifle bullet
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:17:07 AM EDT
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what level is standard issue for most leo what level is required to stop a rifle bullet You'll need to add plates to IIIA or get level III/ IV to stop most rifle. 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:17:18 AM EDT
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what level is standard issue for most leo what level is required to stop a rifle bullet Level II to IIIA. You need plates to stop rifle rounds. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:22:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: thanks for this thread bama we have been planning to buy some BA for awhileQuoted: what level is standard issue for most leo what level is required to stop a rifle bullet Level II to IIIA. You need plates to stop rifle rounds.  |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:24:14 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. It doesn't matter what you were wearing for 10 years, unless you needed it. Since you didn't, you could have gone without one 
I am a IIIA fan, but I also double up on the trauma packs and carry a heart rifle plate. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:24:39 AM EDT
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I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing. Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike. Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo? ITAR regulations. Even common, benevolent items are considered "armaments" such as t-shirts, belts, boots, shoelaces, etc., if they come from a firm that manufactures anything military-related. Lithium batteries, flashlights, camouflage clothing, etc., are all forbidden for export by ITAR signatories. China, believe it or not, is NOT a signatory, therefore all the shameless Chinese copies of anything and everything military-related throughout Asia. It's nuts, and it's cutting us out of the world economy. We follow the rules, and put people in jail for innocuous things, but others fill the void. Body armor is purely defensive item, but is still considered an "armament". Dillos are manufactured by a firm that makes firearms parts and weapons, therefore the regulatory and permit-filing requirements are rather onerous. Why get arrested if you send someone a 1913 rail keychain? Better to not do business overseas at all. I'm serious about not being able to get a t-shirt, hat, belt, boots, batteries, or what not over here, unless they're Chinese copies. And there are PLENTY of those. Body armor would make State apoplectic. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:29:25 AM EDT
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I think you're thinking WOVEN vs. LAMINATED. IIRC,Twaron is a woven aramid and Gold-Flex is a laminated aramid. You're probably right. I haven't paid much attention to body armor since the 2nd Chance debacle some years ago. I friggin' hate all the industry names, too...just clouds the issue. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:32:04 AM EDT
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Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. I wore a level II for 10 years. It doesn't matter what you were wearing for 10 years, unless you needed it. Since you didn't, you could have gone without one
I am a IIIA fan, but I also double up on the trauma packs and carry a heart rifle plate. Funny, I use a soft and hard trauma plate up front and a soft in the back. I would prefer a IIIA also but a level II for $200 is a good deal. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 6:46:32 AM EDT
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It is a smoking deal. I just hate cheaping out on something that could save my life.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 7:15:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing. Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike. Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo? ITAR regulations. Even common, benevolent items are considered "armaments" such as t-shirts, belts, boots, shoelaces, etc., if they come from a firm that manufactures anything military-related. Lithium batteries, flashlights, camouflage clothing, etc., are all forbidden for export by ITAR signatories. China, believe it or not, is NOT a signatory, therefore all the shameless Chinese copies of anything and everything military-related throughout Asia. It's nuts, and it's cutting us out of the world economy. We follow the rules, and put people in jail for innocuous things, but others fill the void. Body armor is purely defensive item, but is still considered an "armament". Dillos are manufactured by a firm that makes firearms parts and weapons, therefore the regulatory and permit-filing requirements are rather onerous. Why get arrested if you send someone a 1913 rail keychain? Better to not do business overseas at all. I'm serious about not being able to get a t-shirt, hat, belt, boots, batteries, or what not over here, unless they're Chinese copies. And there are PLENTY of those. Body armor would make State apoplectic. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I worked for a large defense contractor, I've shipped things all over the world with and without export licenses. Unless the item is specifically covered under ITAR regs there's no legal reason it can't be shipped. Figuring out what is covered is not always easy but it's not restrictive based on the type of business you are in. I have no doubt it's tough to get US companies to ship international but if they're telling you they can't ship a pair of boots because of ITAR they are blowing smoke up your butt. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:41:10 PM EDT
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The link doesn't work. I'll try emailing them. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:43:07 PM EDT
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Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon?
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:44:03 PM EDT
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Better than nothing for that price.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:44:35 PM EDT
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It would be something to wear under my Wasatch and IV plates
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Posted: 9/6/2010 1:47:06 PM EDT
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Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon? 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:00:02 PM EDT
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I had to use Exploder, but it's there. NICE price. I'd rather have Level II than nothing. Unfortunately, though I have need of it, I can't have it because of effing ITAR, one of the most repulsive pieces of crap to come down the pike. Hell, I can't even get a DILLO here! Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Sorry for the hijack, but why no dillo? ITAR regulations. Even common, benevolent items are considered "armaments" such as t-shirts, belts, boots, shoelaces, etc., if they come from a firm that manufactures anything military-related. Lithium batteries, flashlights, camouflage clothing, etc., are all forbidden for export by ITAR signatories. China, believe it or not, is NOT a signatory, therefore all the shameless Chinese copies of anything and everything military-related throughout Asia. It's nuts, and it's cutting us out of the world economy. We follow the rules, and put people in jail for innocuous things, but others fill the void. Body armor is purely defensive item, but is still considered an "armament". Dillos are manufactured by a firm that makes firearms parts and weapons, therefore the regulatory and permit-filing requirements are rather onerous. Why get arrested if you send someone a 1913 rail keychain? Better to not do business overseas at all. I'm serious about not being able to get a t-shirt, hat, belt, boots, batteries, or what not over here, unless they're Chinese copies. And there are PLENTY of those. Body armor would make State apoplectic. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I just recently wrote an article in an industry newsletter regarding ITAR regulations and processes. I have been exporting military and non military aerospace products for more than a decade and I assure you this information is incorrect. Long story short, check the USML for the items you think are controlled and I guarantee you will not find the Larue dillo there. Have you called Larue and just ordered a dillo, or are you assuming things? |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:09:04 PM EDT
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Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon? http://i42.tinypic.com/fp77z9.jpg So not serious. 
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Posted: 9/6/2010 2:29:21 PM EDT
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If there is one thing to not go cheap on, it's body armor.
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Posted: 9/6/2010 7:00:48 PM EDT
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Will this stop teflon-coated cop killer bullets such as the Black Talon? http://i42.tinypic.com/fp77z9.jpg So not serious. http://cjwriter.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/alien.jpg?w=291&h=370 WTF is that thing? LOL |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 7:06:58 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: Level II? I think I'd prefer IIIA. We grabbed a bunch from Galls a while back and Bama got one IIRC I got in on that one, too. IIIA for around $175. Downside is that they were "low profile" and thus had incomplete side coverage, and sizing was waaaay optimistic. I'm a chest size 46 and under 200lb, and my "size 54" armor or thereabouts is a bit too snug. It works well enough, and certainly beats duct taping used Kevlar to your shirt. It's reasonably comfortable, and snoozes nicely in its pizza box under my bed. |
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Posted: 9/6/2010 7:15:31 PM EDT
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do they have it in XXXXL?
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