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Continued Support Behind PAX's Public Health Approach to the Gun Violence Issue

New York, NY - PAX and the Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund today announced a $400,000 grant to be awarded to PAX to help fund its innovative gun violence prevention campaigns -- ASK and SPEAK UP.

Founded in 1998, PAX is the largest and fastest growing non-political organization dedicated to ending the gun violence crisis in American - a crisis that claims the lives of 10 children every day.

The Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund is a charitable family foundation that supports nonprofit organizations dedicated to improving quality of life in a number of different fields, including violence prevention and youth programs.

"The Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund's support for PAX demonstrates the growing realization that positioning gun violence as an urgent public health problem is an important part of resolving the gun violence crisis in America." said Bob Gamble, Executive Director of the Richard and Rhoda Goldman Fund.

For too long, gun violence has been viewed by the American public as a political issue mired in a political stalemate. As a result, Americans have not felt that gun violence was something they could do anything about and thus have been disengaged from the issue. PAX's strategy is to reposition the gun violence epidemic for what it really is - an urgent public health crisis with practical solutions that all Americans can embrace.

PAX's two public health campaigns - ASK and SPEAK UP - make the gun violence issue relevant to every American by first making the risks of gun violence clear (example: 40% of homes with children have a gun and half of these guns are left unlocked or loaded) and then creating practical solutions to these risks (example: parents need to ASK about guns before sending their children to play at someone's home).

While the ASK and SPEAK UP Campaigns are designed to start saving lives immediately, they also serve to change the way the American public thinks about gun violence, creating the long-term foundation for all the behavioral and policy changes that will eventually result in the resolution of this tragic problem.

"As we have seen with other issues, like tobacco and the idea of second hand smoke," says Stephen Teret, Director of the Johns Hopkins University Center for Law and the Public's Health, "when an issue can be changed from being about individual rights to being about the greater health and safety of the public, both social and political change can follow."

The Goldman Fund's $400,000 grant to PAX in 2002 follows a $300,000 grant provided in 2001. Other major funders of PAX include the Packard Foundation, the Levi Strauss Foundation, the Keep Kids Safe Fund and the Annie E. Casey Foundation.



Date of Release: March 25, 2002

Just lovely.

What is my point? These organizations are going to create their own "palestinians" here in the U.S. namely GUN OWNERS. Everyone remember Tim McVeigh?

I agree Imbroglio.  

TheRedGoat

Please, Imbroglio, I am violently opposed to any sort of gun control, and I am neither Palestinian nor am I someone like Timothy McVeigh.

Timothy McVeigh was not a patriot. A patriot would have been one of the McNichols brothers finding out what Tim was up to and, instead of assisting him, shooting him down in the street like the dirty filthy dog that he was.

And I must apologize to all dogs out there.

He was lower than the worst of y'all!

The point of the article is that some Jews are stupid. And some [u]American[/u] Jews are exceptionally stupid.

But what is the view on gun control by the National Council of Churches?

Can you say 'unequivocal support'?

That's why I would never be a member of any church that was affiliated in any way with the NCC or the World Council of Churches.

Eric The(Patriotic)Hun[>]:)]

This PROVES that Jewish congregations in this country support "gun control"!
After their previous experiences, is this not the stupidest thing you have ever read?
WHY are the US Jews so in favor of disarming civilians?
WTF is the agenda here?????

Post from Hannah_Reitsch -

No, it proves that some Jewish congregations in this country support 'gun control', but not all.

Of course it's one of the stupidest things I've ever read, but Americans have seen what happened to disarmed peoples in WWII, that they had no defense against any army doing anything it wanted to do to them.

So why would any [u]American[/u] support gun control?

Native-born Americans should have even less cause for failing to oppose gun control, for they, unlike Europeans, grew up in a gun culture!

Eric The(NoSlack)Hun[>]:)]

As native New Yorker it is a frustrating reality that many Jews are just plain masochistic and/or Liberal sycophants. These  people who have a fanatical obsession with the Democrat party and for socialism in general. All you have to do is look at the polling data after every election.  First 85% voted for Mayor David Dinkins and helped elect him.  Then Crown Heights burned and black rioters pillaged and destroyed businesses and attacked Jewish people in the streets shouting "Kill the Jews!"  Dinkins kept the police withdrawn for over 2 days and DID NOTHING! A young Rabbinical Student from Australia (Yankle Rosenberg) was stabbed to death by a black savage.  This area of Brooklyn was whose congressional district?  Chuckie Schumer!  He ran away and went into hiding, avoiding the media for about a year.

What percentage of the Jew vote did David Dinkins get in his re-election bid?  He got 82% of the Jew vote in NY City!  Some fallout huh?

We had a Senator named Alfonse D'Amato.  He lost to a vicious liar and deceiver named Chuckie Schumer!  D'amato was the best friend any Jew in NY State could ever want.  His record for support of Israel and for Jewish "issues" was quite extensive.  He was the point man for getting monetary compensation from the Swiss Banks to survivors of the Holocaust.  Who did the Jews in NY vote for?  Schumer, 74%!  "Thank you for all the money from those Swiss Banks senator D'Amato!  But you're just a guinea, so we got rid of the guinea and now we have a nice Jewish boy from Brooklyn, oy vey dahling!"

Then we have this POS Hillary.  She has had a long record for affection for the PLO and for being pro-Palestinian.  She kissed Suha Arafat on the cheek after Mrs. Arafat gave a demented public speech in which she accused Israel of poisoning and killing Arab women and children.  Then it was revealed that Hillary blew up at a Jewish campaign consultant after her husband lost an election back in Arkansas.  She shouted at him "You fucking Jew Bastard" in a room full of party faithfuls.  This came to light BRIEFLY during her election bid.  She denied it of course.  Two other people came forward and publicly said that they were in that room and that indeed Hillary did say just that!  Of course the media gave this practically no attention and it was buried.

How did the Jews vote?  Over 70% voted for Hillary!

You see folks the Jews are demented and have a sycophantic mentality when it comes to voting and thier view of what America should be.  Many have no self respect and are nothing but shills for left wing causes.  One of my best friends is a gun owning conservative Jew.  His family are like minded.  When talking with them in his home it is refreshing to hear them talk with contempt for the mentality of many Jews here in NY.  My friend David has even said that if the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler were to come back to life again and run as a Democrat that he would get a majority of the Jewish vote here in NY.  How true and how pathetic these people are.  

So the fact that Jews are pushing and financing anti-2nd amendment causes comes as no surprises to me.

'Nuff said!

John

[url=www.jpfo.org]For an opposing viewpoint.[/url]

Yes Norm, they're a damn good group of people in that organization.  But statistically a small percentage within the Jewish community as a whole.  Jewish friends of mine insist that there is a slow but growing shift away from blind party loyalty and left wing ideology.  I still do not see it yet statistically but hope things will change for the better.

John  

You Anti Semetic, Jew Hating, Nazi Bastard!!!


Thing to ponder...

Why would Jews seek to disarm US citizens while at the same time supporting open carry of fully automatic weapons in their homeland? Especially if those fully automatic weapons were supplied by the United States for FREE, where they are opposed to any kind of firearm ownership.

Eric, I mean no flames here but this is a subject that concerns me down to my patriotic soul.

Mention is made of American Jews.  Are Jews who carry dual passports - U.S.A and Israel - American or Israeli ?

Do Jews that are both U.S and Israeli citizens but choose to only serve in the military of Israel American ?

I'm sick, sick of the Chuck Schumers and Diane Feinstein's who would disarm every American while applauding any law that further arms Israel.

Muslims attacked the United States on 9/11.

Liberal Jewish politicians attack the Second Ammendment every day and with impunity.  I can readily understand the position of true liberals of any faith or ethnic origin. However, I do not understand those who are 100 pound Hawks when it comes to Israel and 2 ounce doves when it comes to my country.  The United States of America.

Many of you are truly remearkable when it comes to understanding the Bible.  
Somewhere is it written that the United States must be disarmed and destroyed before Israel can assume its' place according to the Bible ??

raf, seldom do I disagree with your posts or your conclusions.
However, here I do disagree.

Perhaps I am blind to the facts and if so please show me the light.  Until then I know of no organized ethnic and religious group that is totally set upon the disarming of America except Jews.
Not the Arabs, Irish, Italians, Poles, Russians, etc., I know of individuals but no groups dedicated to disarming the population of America - other than Jews.

10 children a day I would like too here more about that because once you factor in the 16 yr old gang members shooting themselves or the cops shooting a "child" that really isn't that many.

Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of people who throw out terms "anti-semitic, jew hating, nazi ...., etc whenever someone makes an observation about group attitudes, behaviours and especially a near monolithic voting record.  When folks cannot speak to the facts then they throw out these shallow, worn out cliches.

The contradiction about disarming Americans whilst advocating a strong Israel is indeed a curious contradiction. I know a fellow (through a professional trade association) who is an unapologetically left winger.  He voted for Clinton and defended his criminal behaviour.  He then told me he supported the conservatives in Israel, especially Netanyahu and Sharon. "I vote like a liberal here but not for Israel!" What a fucking hippoocrit.

But the facts remains that an overwhelming majority of American Jews are very left wing/liberal.  They support these causes and vote overwhelmingly for them.  These facts CANNOT be denied. If you do no think so then I suggest that you start paying attention to exit polling data and other publicly published data after every election.

As a New Yorker I know of what I speak!

BTW, what county in Florida do you hail from?  Do you remember the kvelling and whining that came from those couple of counties in South Florida during the election in 2000?  That Piece of Shit Congressman Robert Wexler became the point man in trying to pull off the theft on an election in broad daylight.  He represents what is euphemistically referred to as the 6th boro:  Boca Raton.  Did you notice the people who tried to invent, create, and fabricate of of thin air votes for Al gore who worked on those canvassing boards?  How about the majority of the judges on the Florida State Supreme Court who unanimously ignored Florida State law and precedent, and then tried to rubber stamp AL Gore's naked attempt to steal the election?  Only to be set straight by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Wake up and smell the Matzoh balls! :)

John

Bluntly I say to you that service in the IDF by a Jewish child who is an American citizen and whose parents are American citizens is a 'badge-of-honor' among American Jews.
There is no such badge when serving in the U.S. military.

For 'any' holder of dual citizenship to what country do they owe 'primary' allegiance ?  For too many American Jews that country seems to be Israel.

Post from 5subslr5 -

As it does me, as well, [b]subsailor[/b]! I cannot for the life of me understand anyone who thinks that life would be better if the American People chose to disarm themselves or permitted the government to disarm them, either.

That's why I used the term 'American Jews.' I don't think that Israelis are convinced that gun control works, either.

But their American co-religionists have pretty much decided for some reason or the other that gun control makes great sense.

If my great grandmother had been gangbanged by Cossacks, I would think that the story would
have turned everyone in that generation into a RKBA fanatic!

You can't be gangbanging Granny when Gramps is firing away at you with his Moisant-Nagant!
In Czarist Russia, however, I am certain that the Jews were not permitted to own weapons.  

As I've said before, it would depend upon the time frame during which they are given a choice. If America's being attacked and they go join the Israeli Defense Force, then they are not true Americans. But if Israel's being attacked, and America isn't, I see nothing wrong with them serving in the IDF.

Americans served in the French Air Force prior to US entry into WWI. Americans served in the
Chinese Nationalist Air Force and in the Royal Air Force prior to US entry into WWII.

There was nothing wrong with that, is there?

I am, too, but the Schumers and Weinsteins are joined by a lot of WASPs and Catholics with the
same anti-gun philosophy.

Support for Israel is a seperate matter from gun control in the US.

Yes, radical Muslim terrorists did.

Yes, but they are not attacking the 2nd Amendment because they are Jews, but because they are liberal.

They are simply hypocrites, that's all.

Nope. There is nothing in the Bible of which I am aware that would require the American Eagle
to be a 'Ruptured Duck' for Israel.

Eric The(IsraelWillNeedAStrongAmericaInTheEndTimes)Hun[>]:)]

It said that gns claim the lives of 10 children a day. WTFi that!! I really dont think that is a true statistic,where did they get it from?I would think after Columbine that any child that was killed with firearm would be all over the left-wing media? Anyone here else find it hard to belive?

Post from 5subslr5 -

Well, I can't say that I know enough American Jews to agree or disagree with you on your first point.

Most of the Jews I know are Israelis, and they seem to be a pretty uniformly pro-American group. And all of them have had military service in Israel.

But I can't imagine that American Jews are so out of it that they would not honor service in the US military.

There is a website set up by the National Museum of American Jewish Military History, that has a listing of all of the American Jews who have won the Congressional Medal of Honor, the Silver Star, Distinguished Flying Cross, the Navy Cross, etc., and there does appear to be a considerable number of names.

Just the number of CMOH recipients among American Jews should dispel any notion that they have not been pulling their weight for the United States.

[url]http://www.nmajmh.org/education/resources.html[/url]

Eric The(Truthful)Hun[>]:)]

Strangely I too find Sabra's most often pro-American.

Sorry Eric but aren't you taking exception with the wrong person? Isn't Imbro only pointing out their tactics?

As [b]1911greg[/b] alluded to, this "statistic" is the result  of some very creative math, which the media almost always repeats without doing any fact-checking on its own.

To reach this number, anti-gun groups count anyone under age 20 as a "child", obscuring the fact that the vast majority of these deaths are 15- to 19-year olds engaged in crime (mostly gunplay among gang-bangers) and suicides (people who would find another way to kill themselves in a gun-free world).

If you insist on counting anyone under 20 as a child, the actual number of [i]accidental[/i]  deaths is 17 times lower than this figure.

However those you whose every action you defend are anti-gun.

The "American Jewish Congress"

(Banner on the site reads:  "STOP THE GUNS - A MILLION AMERICANS AGAINST KILLING")

The American Jewish Congress founded in 1918 by Rabbi Stephen S. Wise, Justice Louis D. Brandeis and other distinguished Jews, specializes in combating all forms of bigotry through law and legislation.  Considered the legal voice of the American Jewish Community, it works to safeguard Jewish interest, protect basic freedoms enshrined in the American Bill of Rights and to advance the security of Israel.

These are the people whose every action you applaud.

I see nothing about advancing the security of the United States.

I see that the AJC works to to safe guard Jewish interest but no mention of American interest.

For the new guy, it was a joke. Eric is well known as the "I Love Israel Cause It Can Do NO Wrong" member. In the past when I have been critical of Israel, "some" members (but not Eric) have been quick to label me anti-semetic, etc.

I would have thought the sarcasm would be apparent based upon my follow up comments.



No argument here.



I'm from South Florida, and the wife works in Boca. Funny how the ballot was perfectly clear to us though.

If anyone is interested the firearms deaths figures are reported here:  

[url]http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr48/nvs48_11.pdf[/url]

For the new guy, it was a joke. Eric is well known as the "I Love Israel Cause It Can Do NO Wrong" member. In the past when I have been critical of Israel, "some" members (but not Eric) have been quick to label me anti-semetic, etc.

I would have thought the sarcasm would be apparent based upon my follow up comments.



My apologies.  I have a great sense on humor but did not detect the sarcasm.  Perhaps I do not know the characters well enough since I am the new guy.  But again as a New Yorker this topic is one that just gets me riled up!  This left wing mentality is "dime a dozen" with these people up here.  It will be one of the many deciding factors which will cause me to evacuate New York for a saner Southern locale!  Regards to all.

John

[b]jjforsyth[/b], SteyrAUG speaks the truth - it was only facetiously that he wrote what he did about me. That's why I didn't react - he means no ill will to me. It's an inside joke.

But I, for one, never, ever use the term 'anti-Semitic' simply for two reasons: (1) it has been arrogated by certain Jews as a shibboleth for use in attacking folks for reasons wholly unconnected to Judaism, and (2) it is a very stupid or imprecise word to use in most cases.

The 'Palestinians', the Saudis, the Syrians, the Jordanians, the Egyptians, and the Lebanese are also [b]'Semitic'[/b] peoples, so using the term 'anti-Semitism' [u]solely[/u] in referring to 'anti-Jewish' situations is patently erroneous.

Besides, the liberal Left [u][b]LOVE[/b][/u] that word!

Eric The(Anti-LiberalLeft)Hun[>]:)]

How about the National Council of Churches, an organization of Christian Churches which doggedly supports gun control.

ERIC ??

Larry, I should have been clearer in my post as I was attempting to address ethnic groups.  However, my post was not clear in that regard.
Tom

ERIC ??

Back to the top !

First, I am very pro-Israel, but isn't it funny how so many groups, including the ACLU, claim to protect the Bill of Rights, but are very much against the 2nd Amendment.

Subsailor, what is the URL for American Jewish Congress.  I want to check it out and let them know what I think of their hypocrisy.

And yes, I have visited the AR180 section today.

Lary, I picked up the Jewish Congress URL yesterday from another post here on the Gen Disc. Forum but don't remember which one.

What appears above seems to be their 'mission statement'.

[url]www.jpfo.org[/url]

How about you educate yourself before sounding off and looking like an ass?

Where have you been locked away for the last 50 years?  The United Methodist Church supports gun control very vocally, as does the National Council of Churches that is already mentioned by Eric.  

Apparently you don't look at how the minority ethnic groups tow the Democrat party line.  Your post is racist garbage.

Thank you for your opinion.