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THE CODE OF HONOR;
or RULES FOR THE GOVERNMENT of PRINCIPALS AND SECONDS in DUELLING by John Lyde Wilson RULES FOR PRINCIPALS AND SECONDS IN DUELLING. CHAPTER I. The Person Insulted, Before Challenge Sent 1. Whenever you believe that you are insulted, if the insult be in public and by words or behavior, never resent it there, if you have self-command enough to avoid noticing it. If resented there, you offer an indignity to the company, which you should not. 2. If the insult be by blows or any personal indignity, it may be resented at the moment, for the insult to the company did not originate with you. But although resented at the moment, you are bound still to have satisfaction, and must therefore make the demand. 3. When you believe yourself aggrieved, be silent on the subject, speak to no one about the matter, and see your friend, who is to act for you, as soon as possible. 4. Never send a challenge in the first instance, for that precludes all negotiation. Let your note be in the language of a gentleman, and let the subject matter of complaint be truly and fairly set forth, cautiously avoiding attributing to the adverse party any improper motive. 5. When your second is in full possession of the facts, leave the whole matter to his judgment, and avoid any consultation with him unless he seeks it. He has the custody of your honor, and by obeying him you cannot be compromitted. 6. Let the time of demand upon your adversary after the insult, be as short as possible, for he has the right to double that time in replying to you, unless you give him some good reason for your delay. Each party is entitled to reasonable time, to make the necessary domestic arrangements, by will or otherwise, before fighting. 7. To a written communication you are entitled to a written reply, and it is the business of your friend to require it. SECOND'S DUTY BEFORE CHALLENGE SENT. 1. Whenever you are applied to by a friend to act as his second, before you agree to do so, state distinctly to your principal that you will be governed only by your own judgment,––that he will not be consulted after you are in full possession of the facts, unless it becomes necessary to make or accept the amende honorable, or send a challenge. You are supposed to be cool and collected, and your friend's feelings are more or less irritated. 2. Use every effort to soothe and tranquilize your principal; do not see things in the same aggravated light in which he views them; extenuate the conduct of his adversary whenever you see clearly an opportunity to do so, without doing violence to your friend's irritated mind. Endeavor to persuade him that there must have been some misunderstanding in the matter. Check him if he uses opprobrious epithet towards his adversary, and never permit improper or insulting words in the note you carry. 3. To the note you carry in writing to the party complained of, you are entitled to a written answer, which will be directed to your principal and will be delivered to you by his adversary's friend. If this be not written in the style of a gentleman, refuse to receive it, and assign your reason for such refusal. If there be a question made as to the character of the note, require the second presenting it to you, who considers it respectful, to endorse upon it these words: "I consider the note of my friend respectful, and would not have been the bearer of it, if I believed otherwise." 4. If the party called on, refuses to receive the note you bear, you are entitled to demand a reason for such refusal. If he refuses to give you any reason, and persists in such refusal, he treats, not only your friend, but yourself, with indignity, and you must then make yourself the actor, by sending a respectful note, requiring a proper explanation of the course he has pursued towards you and your friend; and if he still adheres to his determination, you are to challenge or post him. 5. If the person to whom you deliver the note of your friend, declines meeting him on the ground of inequality, you are bound to tender yourself in his stead, by a note directed to him from yourself; and if he refuses to meet you, you are to post him. 6. In all cases of the substitution of the second for the principal, the seconds should interpose and adjust the matter, if the party substituting avows he does not make the quarrel of his principal his own. The true reason for substitution, is the supposed insult of imputing to you the like inequality which if charged upon your friend, and when the contrary is declared, there should be no fight, for individuals may well differ in their estimate of an individual's character and standing in society. In case of substitution and a satisfactory arrangement, you are then to inform your friend of all the facts, whose duty it will be to post in person. 7. If the party, to whom you present a note, employ a son, father or brother, as a second, you may decline acting with either on the ground of consanguinity. 8. If a minor wishes you to take a note to an adult, decline doing so, on the ground of his minority. But if the adult complained of, had made a companion of the minor in society, you may bear the note. 9. When an accommodation is tendered, never require too much; and if the party offering the amende honorable, wishes to give a reason for his conduct in the matter, do not, unless offensive to your friend, refuse to receive it; by so doing you may heal the breach more effectually. 10. If a stranger wishes you to bear a note for him, be well satisfied before you do so, that he is on an equality with you; and in presenting the note state to the party the relationship you stand towards him, and what you know and believe about him; for strangers are entitled to redress for wrongs, as well as others, and the rules of honor and hospitality should protect him. CHAPTER II. The Party Receiving a Note Before Challenge. 1. When a note is presented to you by an equal, receive it, and read it, although you may suppose it to be from one you do not intend to meet, because its requisites may be of a character which may readily be complied with. But if the requirements of a note cannot be acceded to, return it, through the medium of your friend, to the person who handed it to you, with your reason for returning it. 2. If the note received be in abusive terms, object to its reception, and return it for that reason; but if it be respectful, return an answer of the same character, in which respond correctly and openly to all interrogatories fairly propounded, and hand it to your friend, who, it is presumed, you have consulted, and who has advised the answer; direct it to the opposite party, and let it be delivered to his friend. 3. You may refuse to receive a note, from a minor, (if you have not made an associate of him); one that has been posted; one that has been publicly disgraced without resenting it; one whose occupation is unlawful; a man in his dotage and a lunatic. There may be other cases, but the character of those enumerated will lead to a correct decision upon those omitted. If you receive a note from a stranger, you have a right to a reasonable time to ascertain his standing in society, unless he is fully vouched for by his friend. 4. If a party delays calling on you for a week or more, after the supposed insult, and assigns no cause for the delay, if you require it, you may double the time before you respond to him; for the wrong cannot be considered aggravated; if borne patiently for some days, and the time may have been used in preparation and practice. Second's Duty of the Party Receiving a Note Before Challenge Sent. 1. When consulted by your friend, who has received a note requiring explanation, inform him distinctly that he must be governed wholly by you in the progress of the dispute. If he refuses, decline to act on that ground. 2. Use your utmost efforts to allay all excitement which your principal may labor under; search diligently into the origin of the misunderstanding; for gentlemen seldom insult each other, unless they labor under some misapprehension or mistake; and when you have discovered the original ground or error, follow each movement to the time of sending the note, and harmony will be restored. 3. When your principal refuses to do what you require of hi, decline further acting on that ground, and inform the opposing second of your withdrawal from the negotiation. CHAPTER III. Duty of Challenger and His Second Before Fighting. 1. After all efforts for a reconciliation are over, the party aggrieved sends a challenge to his adversary, which is delivered to his second. 2. Upon the acceptance of the challenge, the seconds make the necessary arrangements for the meeting, in which each party is entitled to a perfect equality. The old notion that the party challenged, was authorized to name the time, place, distance and weapon, has been long since exploded; nor would a man of chivalric honor use such a right, if he possessed it. The time must e as soon as practicable, the place such as had ordinarily been used where the parties are, the distance usual, and the weapons that which is most generally used, which, in this State, is the pistol. 3. If the challengee insist upon what is not usual in time, place, distance and weapon, do not yield the point, and tender in writing what is usual in each, and if he refuses to give satisfaction, then your friend may post him. 4. If your friend be determined to fight and not post, you have the right to withdraw. But if you continue to act, and have the right to tender a still more deadly distance and weapon, and he must accept. 5. The usual distance is from ten to twenty paces, as may be agreed on; and the seconds in measuring the ground, usually step three feet. 6. After all the arrangements are made, the seconds determine the giving of the word and position, by lot; and he who gains has the choice of the one or the other, selects whether it be the word or the position, but he cannot have both. CHAPTER IV. Duty of Challengee and Second After Challenge Sent. 1. The challengee has no option when negotiation has ceased, but to accept the challenge. 2. The second makes the necessary arrangements with the second of the person challenging. The arrangements are detailed in the preceding chapter. CHAPTER V. Duty of Principals and Seconds on the Ground. 1. The principals are to be respectful in meeting, and neither by look or expression irritate each other. They are to be wholly passive, being entirely under the guidance of their seconds. 2. When once posted, they are not to quit their positions under any circumstances, without leave or direction of their seconds. 3. When the principals are posted, the second giving the word, must tell them to stand firm until he repeats the giving of the word, in the manner it will be given when the parties are at liberty to fire. 4. Each second has a loaded pistol, in order to enforce a fair combat according to the rules agreed on; and if a principal fires before the word or time agreed on, he is at liberty to fire at him, and if such second's principal fall, it is his duty to do so. 5. If after a fire, either party be touched, the duel is to end; and no second is excusable who permits a wounded friend to fight; and no second who knows his duty, will permit his friend to fight a man already hit. I am aware there have been many instances where a contest has continued, not only after slight, but severe wounds, had been received. In all such cases, I think the seconds are blamable. 6. If after an exchange of shots, neither party be hit, it is the duty of the second of the challengee, to approach the second of the challenger and say: "Our friends have exchanged shots, are you satisfied, or is there any cause why the contest should be continued?" If the meeting be of no serious cause of complaint, where the party complaining had in no way been deeply injured, or grossly insulted, the second of the party challenging should reply: "The point of honor being settled, there can, I conceive, be no objection to a reconciliation, and I propose that our principals meet on middle ground, shake hands, and be friends." If this be acceded to by the second of the challengee, the second of the party challenging, says: "We have agreed that the present duel shall cease, the honor of each of you is preserved, and you will meet on middle ground, shake hands and be reconciled." 7. If the insult be of a serious character, it will be the duty of the second of the challenger, to say, in reply to the second of the challengee: "We have been deeply wronged, and if you are not disposed to repair the injury, the contest must continue." And if the challengee offers nothing by way of reparation, the fight continues until one or the other of the principals is hit. 8. If in cases where the contest is ended by the seconds, as mentioned in the sixth rule of this chapter, the parties refuse to meet and be reconciled, it is the duty of the seconds to withdraw from the field, informing their principals, that the contest must be continued under the superintendence of other friends. But if one agrees to this arrangement of the seconds, and the other does not, the second of the disagreeing principal only withdraws. 9. If either principal on the ground refuses to fight or continue the fight when required, it is the duty of his second to say to the other second: "I have come upon the ground with a coward, and do tender you my apology for an ignorance of his character; you are at liberty to post him." The second, by such conduct, stands excused to the opposite party. 10. When the duel is ended by a party being hit, it is the duty of the second to the party so hit, to announce the fact to the second of the party hitting, who will forthwith tender any assistance he can command to the disabled principal. If the party challenging, hit the challengee, it is his duty to say he is satisfied, and will leave the ground. If the challenger be hit, upon the challengee being informed of it, he should ask through his second, whether he is at liberty to leave the ground which should be assented to. CHAPTER VI. Who Should Be on the Ground. 1. The principals, seconds, one surgeon and one assistant surgeon to each principal; but the assistant surgeon may be dispensed with. 2. Any number of friends that the seconds agree on, may be present, provided they do not come within the degrees of consanguinity mentioned in the seventh rule of Chapter I. 3. Persons admitted on the ground, are carefully to abstain by word or behavior, from any act that might be the least exceptionable; nor should they stand near the principals or seconds, or hold conversations with them. CHAPTER VII. Arms, and Manner of Loading and Presenting Them. 1. The arms used should be smooth-bore pistols, not exceeding nine inches in length, with flint and steel. Percussion pistols may be mutually used if agreed on, but to object on that account is lawful. 2. Each second informs the other when he is about to load, and invites his presence, but the seconds rarely attend on such invitation, as gentlemen may be safely trusted in the matter. 3. The second, in presenting the pistol to his friend, should never put it in his pistol hand, but should place it in the other, which is grasped midway the barrel, with muzzle pointing in the contrary way to that which he is to fire, informing him that his pistol is loaded and ready for use. Before the word is given, the principal grasps the butt firmly in his pistol hand, and brings it round, with the muzzle downward, to the fighting position. 4. The fighting position, is with the muzzle down and the barrel from you; for although it may be agreed that you may hold your pistol with the muzzle up, it may be objected to, as you can fire sooner from that position, and consequently have a decided advantage, which ought not to be claimed, and should not be granted. CHAPTER VIII. The Degrees of Insult, and How Compromised 1. The prevailing rule is, that words used in retort, although more violent and disrespectful than those first used, will not satisfy,––words being no satisfaction for words. 2. When words are used, and a blow given in return, the insult is avenged; and if redress be sought, it must be from the person receiving the blow. 3. When blows are given in the first instance and not returned, and the person first striking, be badly beaten or otherwise, the party first struck is to make the demand, for blows do not satisfy a blow. 4. Insults at a wine table, when the company are over-excited, must be answered for; and if the party insulting have no recollection of the insult, it is his duty to say so in writing, and negative the insult. For instance, if the man say: "you are a liar and no gentleman," he must, in addition to the plea of the want of recollection, say: "I believe the party insulted to be a man of the strictest veracity and a gentleman." 5. Intoxication is not a full excuse for insult, but it will greatly palliate. If it was a full excuse, it might be well counterfeited to wound feelings, or destroy character. 6. In all cases of intoxication, the seconds must use a sound discretion under the above general rules. 7. Can every insult be compromised? is a mooted and vexed question. On this subject, no rules can be given that will be satisfactory. The old opinion, that a blow must require blood, is not of force. Blows may be compromised in many cases. What those are, much depend on the seconds. |
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Quoted: Everyone should have some Purdeys http://www.sitemason.com/files/dU51Kw/VMP1a%20purdeypistolpair.jpg James Purdey, London, the earliest of only 7 known pairs of heavy barreled smooth bore Purdey dueling pistols. Both pistols numbered 492, made in 1823. These were originally flint pistols but were converted to percussion by Purdeys probably in the 1820s. A good description of the conversion can be found in Pat Unsworth's book, The Early Purdeys, page 57 and these guns are pictured in plates 17 and 18 of the same book. These extraordinary pistols are well documented in Pat's book and I don't want to belabor the description except to say the guns are in much finer condition than one would be led to believe from the book primarily due to the small size of the black and white photographs. The 9" barrels have most of their original finish and bores are mint. The original flintlock breeches, which have been modified as Pat described, have dual platinum bands, sunken platinum poincons, and retain much original color hardening. Locks retain traces of original color hardening and are mechanically perfect with no rust or pitting whatever. Iron mounts are nicely engraved and retain virtually all the original brilliant black finish. Single-set triggers retain most of the original blue. Stocks are crisp and retain virtually all their original varnish. Ramrods are original. Cased in proper period case (not original to these guns) with complete period accessories and beautiful facsimile early trade label. Beautiful pair of dueling pistols and great rarities. Nice brace! |
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I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state.
"Southern Thinkers" Never miss an opportunity to insult other Forum members. |
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I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state.
"Southern Thinkers" I challenge you to a duel for this outrage! |
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Quoted: Quoted: I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state. "Southern Thinkers" Never miss an opportunity to insult other Forum members. besides, nothing solves an ongoing feud like a duel stupid "holier than thou" yankees (im from md, im neither a northerner nor a southerner ) |
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Quoted: Quoted: I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state. "Southern Thinkers" Never miss an opportunity to insult other Forum members. He can't help it, it's how they work in the Land of Fruits and Nuts. |
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Quoted: CHAPTER VII. Arms, and Manner of Loading and Presenting Them. 1. The arms used should be smooth-bore pistols, not exceeding nine inches in length, with flint and steel. Percussion pistols may be mutually used if agreed on, but to object on that account is lawful. Interesting read. If engaged in a modern duel, I think would prefer if using something more modern, like a revolver, loaded with a single cartridge. |
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Quoted: Quoted: CHAPTER VII. Arms, and Manner of Loading and Presenting Them. 1. The arms used should be smooth-bore pistols, not exceeding nine inches in length, with flint and steel. Percussion pistols may be mutually used if agreed on, but to object on that account is lawful. Interesting read. If engaged in a modern duel, I think would prefer if using something more modern, like a revolver, loaded with a single cartridge. I've read before that at the advent of rifled barrels, they were frowned upon in dueling, since the likelihood of death goes up dramatically when rifled-barrel pistols are used. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Iedit Never miss an opportunity to insult other Forum members. He can't help it, it's how they work in the Land of Fruits and Nuts. Apologize was out of line. I removed it. |
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In fact dueling is still legal in lots of states including California.
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Quoted: In fact dueling is still legal in lots of states including California. And if one of the duellers kills the other, he won't be prosecuted for at least manslaughter? I am curious. |
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Quoted: In fact dueling is still legal in lots of states including California. I feel like an ass now. You said it... Not us. |
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Quoted: Quoted: In fact dueling is still legal in lots of states including California. And if one of the duellers kills the other, he won't be prosecuted for at least manslaughter? I am curious. You will be prosecuted in all states here is the Wiki link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duel Go down to: State and territorial laws prohibiting dueling 20 states, along with the District of Columbia and Puerto Rico, have some statute(s) (including constitutional provisions) specifically prohibiting dueling. The remaining 30 states either have no such statute or constitutional provision, or limit their dueling prohibition to members of their state national guard. This does not necessarily mean, however, that dueling is legal in any state, as assault and murder laws can apply. The following is a list of each state's or territory's status with respect to laws prohibiting dueling: then they have a list of states. |
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In fact dueling is still legal in lots of states including California. I feel like an ass now. I wonder if that defense would actually fly in court if you followed the law to the letter... |
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I have always wanted a brace of dueling pistols for my collection.
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I have always wanted a brace of dueling pistols for my collection. The dueling pistols from London are considered the best, but the Czech pistols are the most expensive. |
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I have always wanted a brace of dueling pistols for my collection. The dueling pistols from London are considered the best, but the Czech pistols are the most expensive. hmm, I've been trying to decide what my next gun purchase should be, this may be it. |
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Chapter1, Section 4 would be beyond the capability of most Arfcommers in GD anyway.
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Chapter1, Section 4 would be beyond the capability of most Arfcommers in GD anyway. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I was thinking the same thing... Those rules were quite an interesting read! |
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Quoted: i think society would be more polite if this still happened The guys who weren't good pistol shots would be very polite. |
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I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state.
"Southern Thinkers" I challenge you to a duel for this outrage! You skipped several steps. |
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I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state.
"Southern Thinkers" I challenge you to a duel for this outrage! You skipped several steps. Exactly. There's a remarkable amount of "conflict resolution" built into those rules. Twenty minutes ago I thought two dudes just got pissed, squared off at dawn and shot at each other. This actually ensures that misunderstandings have every opportunity to get cleared up, those involved get second opinions, and communication between parties is witnessed and/or documented. It's actually quite sophisticated. |
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i think society would be more polite if this still happened It was..right up until the point where "Professional Duellists" came into fashion.... Once you could pay someone ELSE to take the chance of paying for Your asshattery without losing honor, the practice went downhill. |
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I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state.
"Southern Thinkers" I challenge you to a duel for this outrage! You skipped several steps. Exactly. There's a remarkable amount of "conflict resolution" built into those rules. Twenty minutes ago I thought two dudes just got pissed, squared off at dawn and shot at each other. This actually ensures that misunderstandings have every opportunity to get cleared up, those involved get second opinions, and communication between parties is witnessed and/or documented. It's actually quite sophisticated. Plus, in many cases the matter was coinsidred settled in MOST at first blood...the whooe "Duel to the Death' thing really didnt come about until towards the end, notwithstanding the occasional accident of course..which led to the demise of the practice. |
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Wish there were common language rules so I could understand them.
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I take it these rules are still valid in THAT state. "Southern Thinkers" I challenge you to a duel for this outrage! You skipped several steps. Exactly. There's a remarkable amount of "conflict resolution" built into those rules. Twenty minutes ago I thought two dudes just got pissed, squared off at dawn and shot at each other. This actually ensures that misunderstandings have every opportunity to get cleared up, those involved get second opinions, and communication between parties is witnessed and/or documented. It's actually quite sophisticated. Plus, in many cases the matter was coinsidred settled in MOST at first blood...the whooe "Duel to the Death' thing really didnt come about until towards the end, notwithstanding the occasional accident of course..which led to the demise of the practice. Now I demand satisfaction! |
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