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Posted: 3/18/2016 12:29:27 PM EDT
If you've seen Soaked In Bleach, you would know that his death was actually a murder. Just looking at this rifle is a joke. No way he could've even reached the trigger on that thing. Not to mention he had 3x the fatal dose that would kill the heaviest of heroin addicts. He would've been dead before he could've even gotten the rifle. Seattle PD botched that death investigation so bad. Never seen such inept work. Edit. He was wearing shoes. Couldn't have used toe to pull trigger on "rifle" shotgun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=33&v=LBBqoA2e-kM

Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:31:01 PM EDT
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Best thing he ever released was the safety on that shotgun.



Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:31:29 PM EDT
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He used the shotgun to kill himself. Just like every other shotgun suicide out there.  Get over it.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:31:46 PM EDT
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I thought it was a Remington youth 20ga.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:08 PM EDT
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My father killed himself with a long gun like that....it's not impossible.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:16 PM EDT
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If you've seen Soaked In Bleach, you would know that his death was actually a murder. Just looking at this rifle is a joke. No way he could've even reached the trigger on that thing. Not to mention he had 3x the fatal dose that would kill the heaviest of heroin addicts. He would've been dead before he could've even gotten the rifle. Seattle PD botched that death investigation so bad. Never seen such inept work.

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What rifle?
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:25 PM EDT
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Someone needs to clean that poor gun.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:28 PM EDT
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that is arguable
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:29 PM EDT
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Was he barefoot?  
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:32:37 PM EDT
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I thought that too till I watched soaked in bleach. Good watch. Courtney Love is an evil dirty bitch.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:33:04 PM EDT
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Its a 20 gauge sportsman model I think. Its a Remington model 11 but its marketed toward bird hunters and only hold 2 in the magazine and 1 in the chamber.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:33:36 PM EDT
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He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:33:38 PM EDT
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Shotty in mouth.  Toe  in trigger guard.  Worked for the Japanese in WWII.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:33:45 PM EDT
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is that a Browning A5?
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:34:07 PM EDT
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Just looking at this rifle is a joke.

You have been here long enough to realize that is not a rifle, right?

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This. Japs used to kill themselves with rifles and use their toe to pull the trigger.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:34:30 PM EDT
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Soaked in Bleach was unwatchable.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:34:40 PM EDT
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While there are many arguments against his death being a suicide, length of gun isn't one of them.






He had toes.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:35:05 PM EDT
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both of you drop and give me 10,000.












btw, when do they release the scene photos?
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:35:11 PM EDT
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Model 11 Sportsman
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:35:18 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:35:28 PM EDT
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That Cutts Compensator (screw in choke system) added some length for sure.
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edit - nvmd.

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He had Converse One Stars on in the photo of his body taken through the window.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:36:23 PM EDT
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Model 11 Sportsman


Which is a licensed copy of the Auto-5.  

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Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:36:26 PM EDT
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Wondered that myself
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No he wasn't. They also found the shotgun shell on the opposite side of him where it would've ejected. That combined with the 3 x fatal dose of heroin in his system. He put his needle away. Then got the shotgun. No way. Seattle PD determined it was a suicide the Same day finding him. Didn't treat it as a proper death investigation.

Watch the documentary. It's from the private Investigator that was hired by Courtney three days before his death because he was "missing". He knew something was wrong right away n recorded hundreds of audio tapes of their convos. She's guilty as sin and is behind his death 100%.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:36:46 PM EDT
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high five!
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:37:35 PM EDT
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.....and he liked to shoot his gun.....
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:37:55 PM EDT
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Which is a licensed copy of the Auto-5.  

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Model 11 Sportsman


Which is a licensed copy of the Auto-5.  

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The precursor of the Model 11, The Remington Autoloading Shotgun came first.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:38:10 PM EDT
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He also had at least 10 times the amount of heroin in him that would result in an OD.

Even a normal dose of heroin will cause a person to nod off pretty hard, and the last thing they would be thinking about is offing themselves.

Even if they wanted to, in their state of inexplicable bliss, they wouldn't be able to manage the shotgun.

Now up their dose to even 5x what a normal hit is, and they are catatonic.

He had an insane level of heroin in his system.

It was simply impossible for him to do anything after receiving an excessively lethal dose.

He was murdered, from a strictly investigative perspective.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:39:35 PM EDT
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He also had at least 10 times the amount of heroin in him that would result in an OD.

Even a normal dose of heroin will cause a person to nod off pretty hard, and the last thing they would be thinking about is offing themselves.

Even if they wanted to, in their state of inexplicable bliss, they wouldn't be able to manage the shotgun.

Now up their dose to even 5x what a normal hit is, and they are catatonic.

He had an insane level of heroin in his system.

It was simply impossible for him to do anything after receiving an excessively lethal dose.

He was murdered, from a strictly investigative perspective.
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This. Even the Seattle police chief at the time admits they fucked up the investigation or lack there of.
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I hope you're joking. Nirvana changed music forever and helped killed hair metal.

Also, re: he can't reach the trigger, yes you can. Watch FMJ if you don't think you can pull the trigger on a long barreled gun. Alternatively (get it, cuz it was alternative rock) one can use their foot.
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No he wasn't. They also found the shotgun shell on the opposite side of him where it would've ejected. That combined with the 3 x fatal dose of heroin in his system. He put his needle away. Then got the shotgun. No way. Seattle PD determined it was a suicide the Same day finding him. Didn't treat it as a proper death investigation.



Watch the documentary. It's from the private and never gator that was hired by Courtney three days before his death because he was "missing". He knew something was wrong right away n recorded hundreds of audio tapes of their convos. She's guilty as sin and is behind his death 100%.
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Was he barefoot?  




No he wasn't. They also found the shotgun shell on the opposite side of him where it would've ejected. That combined with the 3 x fatal dose of heroin in his system. He put his needle away. Then got the shotgun. No way. Seattle PD determined it was a suicide the Same day finding him. Didn't treat it as a proper death investigation.



Watch the documentary. It's from the private and never gator that was hired by Courtney three days before his death because he was "missing". He knew something was wrong right away n recorded hundreds of audio tapes of their convos. She's guilty as sin and is behind his death 100%.




 



I'll buy that.  
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:41:37 PM EDT
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He also had at least 10 times the amount of heroin in him that would result in an OD.

Even a normal dose of heroin will cause a person to nod off pretty hard, and the last thing they would be thinking about is offing themselves.

Even if they wanted to, in their state of inexplicable bliss, they wouldn't be able to manage the shotgun.

Now up their dose to even 5x what a normal hit is, and they are catatonic.

He had an insane level of heroin in his system.

It was simply impossible for him to do anything after receiving an excessively lethal dose.

He was murdered, from a strictly investigative perspective.
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Well, one thing I know for sure the Seattle P.D. conducted a thorough investigation


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One of them was bound to go off.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:41:56 PM EDT
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Mag capacity limits would have prevented everything.
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He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.
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He used the shotgun to kill himself. Just like every other shotgun suicide out there.  Get over it.


He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.



I guess he put his shoes back on after he killed himself then!
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He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.
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He used the shotgun to kill himself. Just like every other shotgun suicide out there.  Get over it.


He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.

Both of his shoes were on
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:42:39 PM EDT
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He could've used his toe to pull the trigger


Edit: already covered.
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Both of his shoes were on
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He used the shotgun to kill himself. Just like every other shotgun suicide out there.  Get over it.


He may not have been able to reach the trigger with his hand, so he used a toe. What's the big deal? Adapt improvise overcome and die trying.

Both of his shoes were on



That complicates things.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:43:35 PM EDT
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Curt Cobain Truthers.  Who'da thunk it?
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:43:36 PM EDT
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Like anyone on the planet with a leg couldn't stick a toe in there and pull the trigger. Did he have shoes on when they found him?
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Well, one thing I know for sure the Seattle P.D. conducted a thorough investigation


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He also had at least 10 times the amount of heroin in him that would result in an OD.

Even a normal dose of heroin will cause a person to nod off pretty hard, and the last thing they would be thinking about is offing themselves.

Even if they wanted to, in their state of inexplicable bliss, they wouldn't be able to manage the shotgun.

Now up their dose to even 5x what a normal hit is, and they are catatonic.

He had an insane level of heroin in his system.

It was simply impossible for him to do anything after receiving an excessively lethal dose.

He was murdered, from a strictly investigative perspective.



Well, one thing I know for sure the Seattle P.D. conducted a thorough investigation




No they didn't. The police chief at the time says they fucked it up and if they had the chance to do it again they would do it right.
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If you've seen Soaked In Bleach, you would know that his death was actually a murder. Just looking at this rifle is a joke. No way he could've even reached the trigger on that thing. Not to mention he had 3x the fatal dose that would kill the heaviest of heroin addicts. He would've been dead before he could've even gotten the rifle. Seattle PD botched that death investigation so bad. Never seen such inept work.

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It's a shotgun, not a rifle.
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This. Even the Seattle police chief at the time admits they fucked up the investigation or lack there of.
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He also had at least 10 times the amount of heroin in him that would result in an OD.

Even a normal dose of heroin will cause a person to nod off pretty hard, and the last thing they would be thinking about is offing themselves.

Even if they wanted to, in their state of inexplicable bliss, they wouldn't be able to manage the shotgun.

Now up their dose to even 5x what a normal hit is, and they are catatonic.

He had an insane level of heroin in his system.

It was simply impossible for him to do anything after receiving an excessively lethal dose.

He was murdered, from a strictly investigative perspective.



This. Even the Seattle police chief at the time admits they fucked up the investigation or lack there of.


It's not about what you know it is about what you can prove. Where was the evidence that it wasn't a suicide? Who would they prosecute? Motive is nice and all...but without evidence it wouldn't even make it to trial.
Link Posted: 3/18/2016 12:45:06 PM EDT
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He was wearing shoes people. Couldn't have used his toe!!
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Yup


ETA

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Model 11 Sportsman
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In 20ga. Remember that the barrel reciprocates too. The ejection pattern, death grip on the barrel, and the way the shotgun was oriented when the body was found are what makes the suicide questionable. Also the fact that Cobain already had a lethal dose of heroin in his system before the shotgun was used..
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