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Posted: 10/27/2021 8:27:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: The_Beer_Slayer]
This is now the active "shit News links, thanks to BerettaGuy: Originally Posted By BerettaGuy: LINKS TO UKRAINIAN NEWS SOURCES IN ENGLISH Kyiv Post Ukrainian News UKRInform EUROMAIDEN PRESS New Voice of Ukraine Kyiv Independent Ukraine World InterFax Ukraine UATV Ukrainian Journal Official Website of the President of Ukraine Ukrainian Ministry of Defense Save these links. I can't post all the headlines like I've done in the past - too much news and too often. Please @ me with additional stuff to be added here. I don't currently have time to properly curate this thread otherwise. New news link c/o berettaguy: Ukrainian Pravda https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/ Stop fake, anti - disinformation site: https://www.stopfake.org/en/main/ |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:42:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By elcope: I think I'll survive, but it's rough. Getting caught up is the hardest part. Chit, I was out fishing with no mobile service for almost 5 days! Still trying to figure what's going on. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:43:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gingerbreadman: Couldn't help but think of this scene: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/145837/1904_WC_LifeOfBrian-1024x576_jpg-2841652.JPG Romans, they go house? [see avatar] |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:43:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Dam blown up! Pretty wild video https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1421aru/ua_pov_the_nova_kakhovka_dam_has_been_blown_up/ https://i.ibb.co/7J0Pw63/Screen-Shot-2023-06-05-at-11-28-09-PM.png This pic is what makes it look like the damn was overtopped rather blown out. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:44:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Seems like it benefits RU?
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: We are going to have to wait until daylight to see what is going on. Edit: Okay there's this video.
Seems like it benefits RU?
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:44:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Yes. The Russian side floods worse. The Russian side runs out of water, including Crimea. The Russian controlled NPP melts down. Likely supplying power to most of Donbas or at least Donetsk. Dude, are you serious? 
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:45:24 PM EDT
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I swear to god I fucking hate russian military.
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:48:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1Andy2: The Republican party is most likely too fractured to elect a President in 2024, imo. Trump needed to have an awakening in 2020/21, realize that his political career is over, and shift to an influencer to help unite the party. But he didn't do that and shows no signs of ever being willing to do that. In that sense, it likely doesn't matter what the various Republican presidential candidates feelings are about Ukraine. Because none of them are going to be calling the shots in 2025. Off-topic, but this is so good it must be quoted for another view. Yes, YES! Trump could have had value as a cheerleader and supporter for the party, but instead chose to be a narcissistic asshole. FDT. And that's from somebody that voted for him several times, in primaries and general elections. He is guaranteed not to win the White House. But he's to vain to do the right thing and help conservatives. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:50:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Cypher15: NK Dam goin is what we call a Black Swan event. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:50:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: This pic is what makes it look like the damn was overtopped rather blown out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Dam blown up! Pretty wild video https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1421aru/ua_pov_the_nova_kakhovka_dam_has_been_blown_up/ https://i.ibb.co/7J0Pw63/Screen-Shot-2023-06-05-at-11-28-09-PM.png This pic is what makes it look like the damn was overtopped rather blown out. I think it is too early to draw conclusions. That is not water "going around the buildings". The two remaining pieces are part of a single control room, and the middle chunk of it is missing. It is equally likely that someone blew up the whole control room and parts of the dam. The timing is also somewhat suspicious. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:52:19 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AROKIE]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: That actually makes sense. The video looks more like the water level overtopped the dam. There’s even water running around the buildings which looked to be at the same elevation as the top of the dam. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx6Fl-6XgAIUqql?format=jpg&name=small That actually makes sense. The video looks more like the water level overtopped the dam. There’s even water running around the buildings which looked to be at the same elevation as the top of the dam. Good deal, lots of russians will be catfish food. Ukraine holds the higher right side of the river and russia is on the low side, and now Ukraine can float over the mine fields instead of travelling through them. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:54:37 PM EDT
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Tanks don't float well
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:56:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Off-topic, but this is so good it must be quoted for another view. Yes, YES! Trump could have had value as a cheerleader and supporter for the party, but instead chose to be a narcissistic asshole. FDT. And that's from somebody that voted for him several times, in primaries and general elections. He is guaranteed not to win the White House. But he's to vain to do the right thing and help conservatives. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lieh-tzu: Originally Posted By 1Andy2: The Republican party is most likely too fractured to elect a President in 2024, imo. Trump needed to have an awakening in 2020/21, realize that his political career is over, and shift to an influencer to help unite the party. But he didn't do that and shows no signs of ever being willing to do that. In that sense, it likely doesn't matter what the various Republican presidential candidates feelings are about Ukraine. Because none of them are going to be calling the shots in 2025. Off-topic, but this is so good it must be quoted for another view. Yes, YES! Trump could have had value as a cheerleader and supporter for the party, but instead chose to be a narcissistic asshole. FDT. And that's from somebody that voted for him several times, in primaries and general elections. He is guaranteed not to win the White House. But he's to vain to do the right thing and help conservatives. I'm skeptical he would have had a net positive value in even that role. I don't think he had the capacity for it and I think he was too tainted by then, plus it would still be divisive for the party, especially since not all on the Right (without getting into those just Right of center like neocons or "moderate" Republicans) are on board for everything he did or claimed to stand for. He'd have been better off just fading away, IMO. Go back to business, eschew politics, and leave it at that. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:56:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: @Easterner It just struck me that you're leaving on the anniversary of D Day. Rather momentous even now, once again going out against fascists. Hoping for all the best while you're out there for you and your family. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/IMG_4470-2841740.jpg  Ukraine war (Sabaton - Primo victoria) |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:57:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: Ukraine was never going to assault across that area with any sizable force anyways Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Veccio: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Originally Posted By AlmightyTallest: We are going to have to wait until daylight to see what is going on. Edit: Okay there's this video.
Seems like it benefits RU?
The fastest way to Crimea was to cross the Dnipro just downstream of that dam. This basically prevents that. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:57:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Nein. It's the obvious reasons. Things go boom boom.  Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. Footage of dam being overtopped by water, and reports of poor dam management by orcs tend to suggest that a partial dam failure, followed by total failure, is a lot more likely than a massive precision arty barrage. Especially a dam that would negatively impact the UA ability to assault across the river (around the time of their counter offensive) if it was destroyed. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:58:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Good deal, lots of russians will be catfish food. Ukraine holds the higher right side of the river and russia is on the low side, and now Ukraine can float over the mine fields instead of travelling through them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx6Fl-6XgAIUqql?format=jpg&name=small That actually makes sense. The video looks more like the water level overtopped the dam. There’s even water running around the buildings which looked to be at the same elevation as the top of the dam. Good deal, lots of russians will be catfish food. Ukraine holds the higher right side of the river and russia is on the low side, and now Ukraine can float over the mine fields instead of travelling through them. It has some costs for Russia too but probably more benefits. Once the water recedes it will be impossible to cross the mud flats on either side of the river this year. Russia blew the dam because they feared a Ukrainian river crossing, or a crossing was imminent or underway. |
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Posted: 6/5/2023 11:59:41 PM EDT
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I'm sure they hit the AZ-5 button at the NPP.
What could go wrong? |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:01:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: It has some costs for Russia too but probably more benefits. Once the water recedes it will be impossible to cross the mud flats on either side of the river this year. Russia blew the dam because they feared a Ukrainian river crossing, or a crossing was imminent or underway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By Zam18th:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fx6Fl-6XgAIUqql?format=jpg&name=small That actually makes sense. The video looks more like the water level overtopped the dam. There’s even water running around the buildings which looked to be at the same elevation as the top of the dam. Good deal, lots of russians will be catfish food. Ukraine holds the higher right side of the river and russia is on the low side, and now Ukraine can float over the mine fields instead of travelling through them. It has some costs for Russia too but probably more benefits. Once the water recedes it will be impossible to cross the mud flats on either side of the river this year. Russia blew the dam because they feared a Ukrainian river crossing, or a crossing was imminent or underway. I listened to some Michael Kofman stuff recently, and he argued that Russia's goals in Ukraine have shifted from establishing a friendly regime in Kyiv, to holding the territory they'd taken, and now just to simply destroying Ukraine as a functioning state. In that light, this action does make a lot of sense. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:02:29 AM EDT
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Major Dam Collapses in Ukraine - LIVE Breaking News Coverage (Nova Kakhovka Dam Destroyed).
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:04:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RockNwood: Although it generally helps Ukraine, I am thinking more it was Russian neglect. Leaning this way as well, guess we'll find out. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:06:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Nein. It's the obvious reasons. Things go boom boom. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Nein. Originally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast:  It's the obvious reasons. Things go boom boom. one would think after your dumpster fire of a failed thread, and after you got laughed out of your own thread about weapons in cartels hands from ukraine, that you would understand anything you say is pretty much laughed at by now and absolutely holds no weight at all... are you having a hard time realizing that? lol we are embarrassed for you but your not helping your case none |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:10:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLurker: Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. We are talking about the Russians here. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:10:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: We are talking about the Russians here. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By TheLurker: Never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by incompetence. We are talking about the Russians here. That was largely the point I was making
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:11:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MelGibsonEnthusiast: I listened to some Michael Kofman stuff recently, and he argued that Russia's goals in Ukraine have shifted from establishing a friendly regime in Kyiv, to holding the territory they'd taken, and now just to simply destroying Ukraine as a functioning state. In that light, this action does make a lot of sense. Keeping Crimea is Putin's main goal, being that Sevastopol is one of only 3 federal cities and the headquarters of the Black Sea fleet. He doesn't care about flooding minor Ukrainian towns if that helps prevent a surprise invasion of the peninsula. There is nothing left of Donbas factories anymore, it's all a wasteland. With the timing of the flooding, the chances of Russia holding Crimea through the end of the year (and the US election cycle) has increased. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:13:58 AM EDT
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Ok, OK. I'm going to call it, The spring counter offensive is on.
This thread has gone more than 12 pages in 24 hours, The commies are throwing more bull shits than a manure spreader. And the useful idiots got their talking points.  Attached File |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:15:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: "We are winning guys!" "The F-16's will do it, I swear!" "We need those tanks, rocket launchers, and American's cash!" Meanwhile in reality Ukraine has less territory than the start of the war You're here... divorced from reality. So in WW-2, nothing mattered until the allies crossed into Germany, because up until that point, the Germans still held more land than at the beginning of the war. Someone doesn't understand war. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:16:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: You literally gobble up Russian propaganda and spread it. Why? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Why would I celebrate that? It's pretty disgusting that you are framing me as a Russian and Putin supporter. Pathetic really You literally gobble up Russian propaganda and spread it. Why? It's pathetic, really. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:16:28 AM EDT
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Somebody please tell me how this is going to effect crimea. The water is not blocked now, it's flowing. And also how it is going to effect the nuclear power plant if at all.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:21:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Who_Me]
[#29]
Never mind, fake.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:24:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Capta]
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:25:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: This pic is what makes it look like the damn was overtopped rather blown out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: Originally Posted By spydercomonkey: Dam blown up! Pretty wild video https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineRussiaReport/comments/1421aru/ua_pov_the_nova_kakhovka_dam_has_been_blown_up/ https://i.ibb.co/7J0Pw63/Screen-Shot-2023-06-05-at-11-28-09-PM.png This pic is what makes it look like the damn was overtopped rather blown out. Yes and No The powerhouse is missing an entire section. That wasn't done by water. What the average person doesn't intuitively take into account is that the reservoir is not static. There is a river flowing towards the dam. If that water does not go through the generators or out a side or emergency spillway it raises the level of the reservoir. Sometimes rather quickly. The attack on the powerhouse that would take out an entire section like that would put everything still functional into emergency shutdown. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:30:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stone-age: Somebody please tell me how this is going to effect crimea. The water is not blocked now, it's flowing. And also how it is going to effect the nuclear power plant if at all. If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:33:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Thank you. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:34:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNGearhead: It's pathetic, really. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MNGearhead: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Why would I celebrate that? It's pretty disgusting that you are framing me as a Russian and Putin supporter. Pathetic really You literally gobble up Russian propaganda and spread it. Why? It's pathetic, really. sure is, he makes threads pushing russian propaganda and doesnt understand why he is accused of supporting russia...  . its hard to get through to low IQ folks..
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:35:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Keeping Crimea is Putin's main goal, being that Sevastopol is one of only 3 federal cities and the headquarters of the Black Sea fleet. He doesn't care about flooding minor Ukrainian towns if that helps prevent a surprise invasion of the peninsula. There is nothing left of Donbas factories anymore, it's all a wasteland. With the timing of the flooding, the chances of Russia holding Crimea through the end of the year (and the US election cycle) has increased. Putin doesn't give a shit about the people in Crimea or whether they have water or even if they all die, so long as he can keep the black sea fleet docked there. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:40:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: sure is, he makes threads pushing russian propaganda and doesnt understand why he is accused of supporting russia... . its hard to get through to low IQ folks..Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AROKIE: Originally Posted By MNGearhead: Originally Posted By fadedsun: Originally Posted By JLAudio: Why would I celebrate that? It's pretty disgusting that you are framing me as a Russian and Putin supporter. Pathetic really You literally gobble up Russian propaganda and spread it. Why? It's pathetic, really. sure is, he makes threads pushing russian propaganda and doesnt understand why he is accused of supporting russia... . its hard to get through to low IQ folks.. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:41:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:43:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By strykr: If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:48:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By stone-age: Somebody please tell me how this is going to effect crimea. The water is not blocked now, it's flowing. And also how it is going to effect the nuclear power plant if at all. If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Last I heard the ZNPP has been shut down for months. The question is will the lowered water levels affect continued cooling of the plant. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:49:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheLurker]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By strykr: If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them. This is a strong entry in the most retarded takes category. Can't wait for the awards show to find out how this one goes. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:53:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Good explanation as why this was likely the Allies and Ukraine making things go boom boom. Same reasons that Nord Stream pipeline was blown up. It's all upside, for them. It has no military benefit whatsoever to Ukraine. It will inconvenience the Crimean civilian population, primarily limiting their agriculture. It will make no difference whatever to the Russian military or the black sea fleet. If you think Putin gives a crap about the Crimean civilian population then I would like to sell you the Kerch Bridge. On the other hand Ukraine is likely to want to cross the Dnipro as part of any counter offensive and causing it to flood makes that a lot harder It's obvious who benefits. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:54:59 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Zam18th]
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Ukraine's Southern Operational Command reported early on June 6 that Russian forces blew up the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant. "The scale of the destruction, the speed and volumes of water, and the likely areas of inundation are being clarified," the military said on their official Facebook page.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 12:57:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Last I heard the ZNPP has been shut down for months. The question is will the lowered water levels affect continued cooling of the plant. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capta: Originally Posted By strykr: Originally Posted By stone-age: Somebody please tell me how this is going to effect crimea. The water is not blocked now, it's flowing. And also how it is going to effect the nuclear power plant if at all. If you pull up the Nova Kakhovka power plant on Google Maps, you will see that there is a canal leaving directly to the south right from upriver of the dam. That canal supplies water to Crimea through the Perekop of Isthmus. With the dam gone, water levels in the reservoir are decreasing, and so is the water available to Crimea. Crimea will experience water shortage. Russia must either ship water from Russia or build a new pipe to deliver it through the Kerch strait, or people will need to learn to live without their showers. Zaporizhzhia NPP also gets its water upriver from the dam. With the dam being gone, water levels may now decrease below the minimum level required. Before that happens, Russian operators will likely shut down the power plant. This could take a while, depending on how fast water level decreases. But there will not be a Chernobyl-like explosion since the water level of the river can be monitored so actions will be taken before it gets catastrophic. Last I heard the ZNPP has been shut down for months. The question is will the lowered water levels affect continued cooling of the plant. You are correct, thanks for the clarification. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:00:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:01:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: It has no military benefit whatsoever to Ukraine. It will inconvenience the Crimean civilian population, primarily limiting their agriculture. It will make no difference whatever to the Russian military or the black sea fleet. If you think Putin gives a crap about the Crimean civilian population then I would like to sell you the Kerch Bridge. On the other hand Ukraine is likely to want to cross the Dnipro as part of any counter offensive and causing it to flood makes that a lot harder It's obvious who benefits. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PolarBear416: It has no military benefit whatsoever to Ukraine. It will inconvenience the Crimean civilian population, primarily limiting their agriculture. It will make no difference whatever to the Russian military or the black sea fleet. If you think Putin gives a crap about the Crimean civilian population then I would like to sell you the Kerch Bridge. On the other hand Ukraine is likely to want to cross the Dnipro as part of any counter offensive and causing it to flood makes that a lot harder It's obvious who benefits. It has a huge military and morale benefit to Ukraine. Crimea is ethnically Russian, they voted 48/52 in the 1991 USSR breakup. History does mean things, you know? The lowest independent voting district in Ukraine versus the others, other districts were 80%+ in their votes. It's obvious who benefits in the destruction of this dam. Originally Posted By TheLurker: This is a strong entry in the most retarded takes category. Can't wait for the awards show to find out how this one goes. Sure bud. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:02:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: @Easterner It just struck me that you’re leaving on the anniversary of D Day. Rather momentous even now, once again going out against fascists. Hoping for all the best while you’re out there for you and your family. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/IMG_4470-2841740.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By m24shooter: @Easterner It just struck me that you’re leaving on the anniversary of D Day. Rather momentous even now, once again going out against fascists. Hoping for all the best while you’re out there for you and your family. Soldiers, Sailors, and Airmen of the Allied Expeditionary Force: You are about to embark upon the Great Crusade, toward which we have striven these many months. The eyes of the world are upon you. The hopes and prayers of liberty-loving people everywhere march with you. In company with our brave Allies and brothers-in-arms on other Fronts you will bring about the destruction of the German war machine, the elimination of Nazi tyranny over oppressed peoples of Europe, and security for ourselves in a free world. Your task will not be an easy one. Your enemy is well trained, well equipped, and battle-hardened. He will fight savagely. But this is the year 1944. Much has happened since the Nazi triumphs of 1940-41. The United Nations1 have inflicted upon the Germans great defeats, in open battle, man-to-man. Our air offensive has seriously reduced their strength in the air and their capacity to wage war on the ground. Our Home Fronts have given us an overwhelming superiority in weapons and munitions of war, and placed at our disposal great reserves of trained fighting men. The tide has turned. The free men of the world are marching together to victory. I have full confidence in your courage, devotion to duty, and skill in battle. We will accept nothing less than full victory. Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessing of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/18486/IMG_4470-2841740.jpg Totally fitting. Based. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:04:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: It has a huge military and morale benefit to Ukraine. Crimea is ethnically Russian, they voted 48/52 in the 1991 USSR breakup. History does mean things, you know? The lowest independent voting district in Ukraine versus the others, other districts were 80%+ in their votes. It's obvious who benefits in the destruction of this dam. Sure bud. What's the military and morale benefit to Ukraine? As a reminder, they claim to have plans for a counter offensive which would include crossing the now flooded area. Making that purposefully harder on themselves doesn't really seem to be a good idea. |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:04:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Zam18th: "Artillery attack" 
Everyone know a couple of artillery shells will take out a dam with 30 ft of concrete. Or much more than that. That is funny, Russia! |
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:05:16 AM EDT
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If people would stop quoting the troll my ignore feature sure would work a lot better.
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Posted: 6/6/2023 1:06:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Sure bud. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLAudio: Originally Posted By TheLurker: This is a strong entry in the most retarded takes category. Can't wait for the awards show to find out how this one goes. Sure bud. I've got my fingers crossed for your entry! I think you might just do it this time. |
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