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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:30:47 PM EDT
[#1]
I don't understand why we don't use CO
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:32:07 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand why we don't use CO Nitrogen would work way better. CO poisoning isn’t a pleasant death. Nitrogen you wouldn’t notice |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:32:17 PM EDT
[#3]
Been kind of wondering why this method is not widely used. I kill trapped raccoons with nitrogen and it's painless. They just go to sleep peacefully and never wake up.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:34:22 PM EDT
[#4]
"Couldn't" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep?
Or "wouldn" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep (permanently)? At what point did the decision to stop poking veins got made? At least 3 veins from the wrist to the elbow joint, but they couldn't hit a single one? "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" being poked too many times for an IV now? Gee I should sue the VA for the multiple times they stuck the shit out of my arm. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:34:31 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand why we don't use CO It's a toxic reactive chemical. N2 is piss cheap and you just vent when done into thev78% N2 atmosphere. I suppose you could try to repurpose the N2 even, like to do ballons, but that seems a bit dark. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:36:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Couldn't" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep? Or "wouldn" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep (permanently)? At what point did the decision to stop poking veins got made? At least 3 veins from the wrist to the elbow joint, but they couldn't hit a single one? "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" being poked too many times for an IV now? Gee I should sue the VA for the multiple times they stuck the shit out of my arm. iirc he has severe diabetes. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:38:57 PM EDT
[#7]
The government seizes more than sufficient amounts of fentanyl for an overdose. They wouldn't even need to start an IV line...just fix up a way to blow a bunch of powdered fentanyl up his sinuses. As fentanyl is a pain killer/opioid, he couldn't really say he fears pain from that method of execution.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:41:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "Couldn't" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep? Or "wouldn" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep (permanently)? At what point did the decision to stop poking veins got made? At least 3 veins from the wrist to the elbow joint, but they couldn't hit a single one? "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" being poked too many times for an IV now? Gee I should sue the VA for the multiple times they stuck the shit out of my arm. I'd buy 'couldn't.' Haven't many/most state medical associations prohibited their member & licensees from participating in executions in that manner? Then have some elderly, often former IV drug abusing, uncooperative death row inmate, and it may not be all that easy to set an IV. Considering Smith got to Death Row by beating and stabbing to death a pastor's wife, for hire, I am with you about not caring very much about Smith's suffering. Hack his goddamned arms off at the elbow and shove the cannulas into the stumps for all I care. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:44:05 PM EDT
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Not untested. Plenty of rebreather divers have died from hypoxia. It's supposed to be a very comfortable way to go. Just fall asleep.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:44:13 PM EDT
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Couldn't" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep? Or "wouldn" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep (permanently)? At what point did the decision to stop poking veins got made? At least 3 veins from the wrist to the elbow joint, but they couldn't hit a single one? "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" being poked too many times for an IV now? Gee I should sue the VA for the multiple times they stuck the shit out of my arm. Theres a recent case where an IV tech bungled it so bad he basically injected all the chemicals anywhere but into the vein. The resulting chemical burn made the offenders skin turn black and slough off. Took forever to kill him. Missing veins in fat, diabetics or former junkies is a real thing. Some procedures they end up doing a cutdown. I dunno if its such a mess perhaps an alternative makes sense only from a procedural point of view. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:46:55 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: "Couldn't" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep? Or "wouldn" start an IV line to administer the chemicals that would put him to sleep (permanently)? At what point did the decision to stop poking veins got made? At least 3 veins from the wrist to the elbow joint, but they couldn't hit a single one? "Cruel and Unusual Punishment" being poked too many times for an IV now? Gee I should sue the VA for the multiple times they stuck the shit out of my arm. There’s a reason that the hospitals have an “IV team” and have ultrasound assisted IVs available. It’s not that easy to do. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:46:57 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been kind of wondering why this method is not widely used. I kill trapped raccoons with nitrogen and it's painless. They just go to sleep peacefully and never wake up. Because,…..liberals |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:48:38 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:52:18 PM EDT
[#14]
Is it nitrogen that makes you have a deep sounding voice?
Could make your last statement pretty memorable |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:53:48 PM EDT
[#15]
The could send the marine from the NY subway. No harmful chemicals involved.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:54:39 PM EDT
[#16]
Should just drill him for an IO and inject the drugs that way if they can’t get an IV
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:55:46 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it nitrogen that makes you have a deep sounding voice? Could make your last statement pretty memorable |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 3:56:29 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it nitrogen that makes you have a deep sounding voice? Could make your last statement pretty memorable But it would work the same way. ETA: Even helium will do it if you aren't careful. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:00:14 PM EDT
[#19]
I've done enough closed vessel training ,that coupled with the fact that we purged NG with Nitrogen made me very very careful.
I mean at least two separate atmospheric meters and a rescue rope tied to me with an observer who could yank me out if necessary. I've been saying for years that nitrogen was the best agent for capital punishment. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:07:19 PM EDT
[#20]
Use Helium instead, it'd be funny as hell listening to his last words.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:09:42 PM EDT
[#21]
Maybe they can stab him with a knife
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:10:57 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nitrogen would work way better. CO poisoning isn’t a pleasant death. Nitrogen you wouldn’t notice I think you're thinking of CO2. You dont notice CO. You get drowsy and fall asleep. Nitrogen is over 70% of the gas in the atmosphere, very plentiful! |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:11:23 PM EDT
[#23]
Bullet to the head or guillotine him.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:12:56 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Air is mostly nitrogen. You're thinking oh sulfur hexaflouride. That’s right! Just imagine being like “goodbye cruel world!” While sounding like Bane from the Batman movies |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:13:40 PM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's a toxic reactive chemical. N2 is piss cheap and you just vent when done into thev78% N2 atmosphere. I suppose you could try to repurpose the N2 even, like to do ballons, but that seems a bit dark.  Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:14:00 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's right! Just imagine being like "goodbye cruel world!" While sounding like Bane from the Batman movies Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Air is mostly nitrogen. You're thinking oh sulfur hexaflouride. That's right! Just imagine being like "goodbye cruel world!" While sounding like Bane from the Batman movies |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:14:06 PM EDT
[#27]
They should have a baked bean dinner where everyone after farts in a bag, and then put the bag over his head.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:14:10 PM EDT
[#28]
Why not just OD them on fentanyl? They'd die high as a kite or never know.
Alternatively I would just keep an inmate on a bed with a guillotine. When he falls asleep.............whammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:25:57 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Use Helium instead, it'd be funny as hell listening to his last words. Helium is too valuable to waste on a POS. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:31:41 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why not just OD them on fentanyl? They'd die high as a kite or never know. Alternatively I would just keep an inmate on a bed with a guillotine. When he falls asleep.............whammy!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nitrogen will pretty much put them right to sleep and they die rapidly with little chance of issues. Pure nitrogen leaks in a contained area are killers, often of the initial victim and their would be rescuers. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:38:13 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand why we don't use CO Why not just repurpose some of the fentanyl its free and has been field tested with a 100k positive results a year |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:38:32 PM EDT
[#32]
It doesn't cause you to gasp for breath. No signs or symptoms of discomfort you just lose consciousness then die.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:44:53 PM EDT
[#33]
GD has explained to me, that for a murderer, the comfortable method is the best method. Bad GD. Bad GD.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:48:03 PM EDT
[#34]
about fucking time.....that is possibly the most efficient, humane and effective process to put down death row inmates.
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:48:53 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Bullet to the head or guillotine him. after the G blade, you are still alive for a few seconds |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:49:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There’s a reason that the hospitals have an “IV team” and have ultrasound assisted IVs available. It’s not that easy to do. IO needle. This is the way.... |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:50:40 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Use Helium instead, it'd be funny as hell listening to his last words. helium/nitrous oxide blend for max lulz. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:51:05 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD has explained to me, that for a murderer, the comfortable method is the best method. Bad GD. Bad GD. Yep...if anyone ever wanted to commit medical suicide you just need to call up airgas or linde buy a bottle of N2, have them deliver it and then just hop in your car and open the valve....yeah I know you will need a regulator to connect to the valve. Just make sure you lock the doors, and put a warning sign or text someone about all the n2 in the car. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:53:48 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: after the G blade, you are still alive for a few seconds Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Bullet to the head or guillotine him. after the G blade, you are still alive for a few seconds Have the guillotine as the grand finale after the pulse oximeter flat lines. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 4:55:14 PM EDT
[#40]
Guillotine uses gravity...
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:01:49 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have the guillotine as the grand finale after the pulse oximeter flat lines. Kharn Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bullet to the head or guillotine him. after the G blade, you are still alive for a few seconds Have the guillotine as the grand finale after the pulse oximeter flat lines. Kharn oui oui!
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:08:06 PM EDT
[#42]
Worked with LN2 for many years, you wanted to be real careful with it.
Had a guy die filling a big thermos with it, when I worked in CA passed by a place where they had several deaths, cold nitrogen would settle at the bottom of the work pit and workers went in but never came out, guys tried to rescue them and they died too. Out of curiosity one day I hooked an air pack mask up to house N2 and held it to my face, you notice nothing then a quick buzz, like if you ever got put under for surgery. Fine one second and then out. They should have been doing this for years for executions. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:10:07 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worked with LN2 for many years, you wanted to be real careful with it. Had a guy die filling a big thermos with it, when I worked in CA passed by a place where they had several deaths, cold nitrogen would settle at the bottom of the work pit and workers went in but never came out, guys tried to rescue them and they died too. Out of curiosity one day I hooked an air pack mask up to house N2 and held it to my face, you notice nothing then a quick buzz, like if you ever got put under for surgery. Fine one second and then out. They should have been doing this for years for executions. if you work at a place that has N2 around, they should really give you Oxygen detectors. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:11:14 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it nitrogen that makes you have a deep sounding voice? Could make your last statement pretty memorable
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:11:42 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Worked with LN2 for many years, you wanted to be real careful with it. Had a guy die filling a big thermos with it, when I worked in CA passed by a place where they had several deaths, cold nitrogen would settle at the bottom of the work pit and workers went in but never came out, guys tried to rescue them and they died too. Out of curiosity one day I hooked an air pack mask up to house N2 and held it to my face, you notice nothing then a quick buzz, like if you ever got put under for surgery. Fine one second and then out. They should have been doing this for years for executions. It's only 78% of the atmosphere. Took them a while to figure it out... |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:11:54 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not untested. Plenty of rebreather divers have died from hypoxia. It's supposed to be a very comfortable way to go. Just fall asleep. That’s exactly what I was thinking (new rebreather diver). |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:12:44 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Use Helium instead, it'd be funny as hell listening to his last words. No, too expensive and a fucking waste of good helium. Nitrogen has to be a helluva lot cheaper! |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:15:25 PM EDT
[#48]
Stop at the welding shop on your way to work tomorrow.
I think I saw it in a veterinary handbook for dispatching animals after reading about the girl who shot the cat with a crossbow. Euthanasia with firearms is frowned upon. Put it in a trash can and drop a hose in it. Pretty sure argon would do the same thing. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:15:25 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't understand why we don't use CO Potential hypercapnic reflex. Gagging/gasping. Not good for the viewing audience. |
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Posted: 5/15/2023 5:16:09 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The government seizes more than sufficient amounts of fentanyl for an overdose. They wouldn't even need to start an IV line...just fix up a way to blow a bunch of powdered fentanyl up his sinuses. As fentanyl is a pain killer/opioid, he couldn't really say he fears pain from that method of execution. Now I'll go with this one right here. Makes too much sense to get any serious consideration though. |
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