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Posted: 1/12/2021 3:36:25 PM EDT
Genesis 12, 2-3:
…2I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you.” View Quote So, since Trump blessed Israel while in office, especially by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, wouldn't that have imparted to him God's blessing to continue in office for another term? |
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Who said "it's" over? I'm not necessarily speaking of this election. We haven't reached the end of time yet.
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Only in an out of context and agenda driven Jonathan Cahn fantasy land.
That promise wasn't to the modern nation of Israel. It was to Abraham and in the context of his seed, which is not of the flesh but of faith. Galatians 3: "[7] Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing, that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed. [9] Therefore they that are of faith, shall be blessed with faithful Abraham. [10] For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them." And in verse 29 of the same chapter: " [29] And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise." Is the modern nation of Israel in any way but stretched argument, Christ's? With their blasphemy of Him in both religious and secular contexts? The outright 2nd class citizen status of Christians in Israel and the Palestinian territories? And Romans 4: "[16] Therefore is it of faith, that according to grace the promise might be firm to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, [17] (As it is written: I have made thee a father of many nations,) before God, whom he believed, who quickeneth the dead; and calleth those things that are not, as those that are." This isn't to say that ethnic Jews are now excluded entirely. But if they do not embrace the Faith, then they are no children of Abraham except perhaps by the accidents of genetic history. |
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Quoted: Only in an out of context and agenda driven Jonathan Cahn fantasy land. That promise wasn't to the modern nation of Israel. It was to Abraham and in the context of his seed, which is not of the flesh but of faith. Galatians 3: "[7] Know ye therefore, that they who are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. And the scripture, foreseeing, that God justifieth the Gentiles by faith, told unto Abraham before: In thee shall all nations be blessed. [9] Therefore they that are of faith, shall be blessed with faithful Abraham. [10] For as many as are of the works of the law, are under a curse. For it is written: Cursed is every one, that abideth not in all things, which are written in the book of the law to do them." And in verse 29 of the same chapter: " [29] And if you be Christ's, then are you the seed of Abraham, heirs according to the promise." Is the modern nation of Israel in any way but stretched argument, Christ's? With their blasphemy of Him in both religious and secular contexts? The outright 2nd class citizen status of Christians in Israel and the Palestinian territories? And Romans 4: "[16] Therefore is it of faith, that according to grace the promise might be firm to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, [17] (As it is written: I have made thee a father of many nations,) before God, whom he believed, who quickeneth the dead; and calleth those things that are not, as those that are." This isn't to say that ethnic Jews are now excluded entirely. But if they do not embrace the Faith, then they are no children of Abraham except perhaps by the accidents of genetic history. View Quote I can't say if you're right or wrong, but that's a really good answer. |
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Trump’s deal of the century is ultimately designed to force the Palestinians into negotiating a land for peace deal with Israel. This runs against the will of God.
The Deal of the century was revealed January 28, 2020. How have things been going since then? |
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Quoted: Genesis 12, 2-3: …2I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you.” View Quote So, since Trump blessed Israel while in office, especially by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, wouldn't that have imparted to him God's blessing to continue in office for another term? View Quote Isaiah 55 8-9 "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways," declares the LORD. "As the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways and my thoughts than your thoughts. |
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Quoted: [] by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, wouldn't that have imparted to him God's blessing to continue in office for another term? View Quote Perhaps consider both cases as not expecting credit for doing what one's supposed to do. |
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God's ballot must have got lost in the mail. In all seriousness Israel is a highly secularized nation now with very few following Mosaic Law or living in fear of God's wrath. Tel Aviv is the most openly homosexual city on earth for example. God may send them His 'blessings" in the form of fire and brimstone if they don't repent soon.
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Assuming we understand correctly and that Trump is to receive a blessing for doing the mentioned things. What makes you think you're assumption of a 2nd term would be his blessing?
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The Israel of the Bible is first a person (Jacob) and then a race (Israelites)
The Israel of the middle East is a country full of people (Jews, Arabs mostly) who are largely unrelated to Jacob-Israel, as they freely admit in their own literature. It is only by blessing the RACE that blessings come to others. FYI, the Israelites of the Bible left the area and migrated to Europe and eventually to the USA, Australia, South Africa and other countries once known as "Christendom" and all of them happen to be Caucasians. You can tell by the language of the Bible that all the main characters are white. Don't hate me, I can back up all of this from the Bible and historical/secular sources. |
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Quoted: The Israel of the Bible is first a person (Jacob) and then a race (Israelites) The Israel of the middle East is a country full of people (Jews, Arabs mostly) who are largely unrelated to Jacob-Israel, as they freely admit in their own literature. It is only by blessing the RACE that blessings come to others. FYI, the Israelites of the Bible left the area and migrated to Europe and eventually to the USA, Australia, South Africa and other countries once known as "Christendom" and all of them happen to be Caucasians. You can tell by the language of the Bible that all the main characters are white. Don't hate me, I can back up all of this from the Bible and historical/secular sources. View Quote |
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Because the modern country of Israel is no longer relevant. Judaism ceased when the temple was destroyed. Evangelical judaizing of Christianity is a bastardization of the new covenant.
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He didn't lose and the fat lady has not sung yet.
That sliver of land is currently occupied by really only two partial tribes plus the blood line of satans spawn. All prophecy at this time for that land covered and is identified by the city of Jerusalem. NATO is basically the other 10 tribes of Israel with this nation being the superpower of the world |
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Quoted: He didn't lose and the fat lady has not sung yet. That sliver of land is currently occupied by really only two partial tribes plus the blood line of satans spawn. All prophecy at this time for that land covered and is identified by the city of Jerusalem. NATO is basically the other 10 tribes of Israel with this nation being the superpower of the world View Quote What makes you think the secular/atheist US government and other Western European governments that are functionally atheistic are tribes of Israel? |
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Quoted: He didn't lose and the fat lady has not sung yet. That sliver of land is currently occupied by really only two partial tribes plus the blood line of satans spawn. All prophecy at this time for that land covered and is identified by the city of Jerusalem. NATO is basically the other 10 tribes of Israel with this nation being the superpower of the world View Quote |
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It's important to remember God isn't a vending machine or a contract service provider.
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Quoted: He didn't lose and the fat lady has not sung yet. That sliver of land is currently occupied by really only two partial tribes plus the blood line of satans spawn. All prophecy at this time for that land covered and is identified by the city of Jerusalem. NATO is basically the other 10 tribes of Israel with this nation being the superpower of the world View Quote Again, Why does this topic bring out the zealots? |
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Quoted: Migrations of people, blood lines etc. What makes you think they have not done the same shit as before. Got themselves placed into Assyrian captivity back then because they went heathen .... They all worship this thing like whores now https://i.imgur.com/EBtXIUR.jpg View Quote Blood doesn’t matter anymore hombre. We’re all mongrels. What is important is that Christ grafted us to the tree through His incarnation, crucifixion and resurrection. The Church founded by Christ is the new Israel. All those baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are members of the new covenant. |
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Quoted: Blood doesn’t matter anymore hombre. We’re all mongrels. What is important is that Christ grafted us to the tree through His incarnation, crucifixion and resurrection. The Church founded by Christ is the new Israel. All those baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are members of the new covenant. View Quote Your only half correct and most are not mongrels. You are very much correct that only in Christ you get into the new covenant. But some, from those bloodlines along with the kings and queens of the ethnos still have a very important job to do at the very end. |
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It looks like some of the "theories" on Jerusalem and race are coming from a small Christian group that seems to focus on this.
Facebook link It focuses on unraveling or deciphering Revelation. Somehow, race has become part of it. The select group who is to fight alongside Christ are called the The Ethnos. which means "group" or "nation". |
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Quoted: It looks like some of the "theories" on Jerusalem and race are coming from a small Christian group that seems to focus on this. Facebook link It focuses on unraveling or deciphering Revelation. Somehow, race has become part of it. The select group who is to fight alongside Christ are called the The Ethnos. which means "group" or "nation". View Quote Funny how when people stray from Rome Christianity quickly devolves into racial/ethnic/nationalist rhetoric. The EO, groups like you posted above, the National churches of Sweden/England (many years ago). Only Rome is able to balance the universal message of Christ while maintaining local customs and traditions it seems. |
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Quoted: With some exceptions, the RCC has done a good job of balancing "Tradition" with "traditions". View Quote Indeed. Still prone to extremism of one or the other from time to time as are all institutions made of men, but a 2k year history goes a long way to stop from being buffeted around by winds of change. |
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America isn't mentioned in the book of the Revelation just Israel and it's enemies.
So there you have it. |
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It’s important to remember that in the context of the New Covenant, Israel takes on a spiritual dimension rather than a simple ethnic association. In Revelation “Israel” occurs 3 times: 2:14, 7:4, 21:12 (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Israel&b=drb&t=2&r=61)
Of those, only one (7:4) deals with ethnic Jews who also follow Christ. The other two are more sensibly read in a spiritual context. However, those sections which allude to ethnic Israel outside of New Covenant contexts are not kind. St. John the Evangelist would definitely be canceled by the ACLU and JDL in today’s world. |
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Quoted: It’s important to remember that in the context of the New Covenant, Israel takes on a spiritual dimension rather than a simple ethnic association. In Revelation “Israel” occurs 3 times: 2:14, 7:4, 21:12 (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Israel&b=drb&t=2&r=61) Of those, only one (7:4) deals with ethnic Jews who also follow Christ. The other two are more sensibly read in a spiritual context. However, those sections which allude to ethnic Israel outside of New Covenant contexts are not kind. St. John the Evangelist would definitely be canceled by the ACLU and JDL in today’s world. View Quote Exactly. The Christian (Catholic) Church is the new Israel. |
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Quoted: Exactly. The Christian (Catholic) Church is the new Israel. View Quote 877 Likewise, it belongs to the sacramental nature of ecclesial ministry that it have a collegial character. In fact, from the beginning of his ministry, the Lord Jesus instituted the Twelve as "the seeds of the new Israel and the beginning of the sacred hierarchy."395 Chosen together, they were also sent out together, and their fraternal unity would be at the service of the fraternal communion of all the faithful: they would reflect and witness to the communion of the divine persons.396 For this reason every bishop exercises his ministry from within the episcopal college, in communion with the bishop of Rome, the successor of St. Peter and head of the college. So also priests exercise their ministry from within the presbyterium of the diocese, under the direction of their bishop. |
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Political Israel is antithetical to Spiritual (the Promised one) Israel.
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Quoted: Exactly. The Christian (Catholic) Church is the new Israel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It’s important to remember that in the context of the New Covenant, Israel takes on a spiritual dimension rather than a simple ethnic association. In Revelation “Israel” occurs 3 times: 2:14, 7:4, 21:12 (http://drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Israel&b=drb&t=2&r=61) Of those, only one (7:4) deals with ethnic Jews who also follow Christ. The other two are more sensibly read in a spiritual context. However, those sections which allude to ethnic Israel outside of New Covenant contexts are not kind. St. John the Evangelist would definitely be canceled by the ACLU and JDL in today’s world. Exactly. The Christian (Catholic) Church is the new Israel. It's not just the Catholic Church. It's all non heretical believers in Christ the triune God of the Bible, the one and only true God. Let's be respectful of all religions please ~ medicmandan |
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Quoted: Because the modern country of Israel is no longer relevant. Judaism ceased when the temple was destroyed. Evangelical judaizing of Christianity is a bastardization of the new covenant. View Quote Deuteronomy 4:30-31 KJV [30] When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; [31] (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. Romans 11:29 KJV [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. |
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Let's keep the politics of it out of this forum please ~ medicmandan
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Quoted: Deuteronomy 4:30-31 KJV [30] When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; [31] (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. Romans 11:29 KJV [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. View Quote That doesn’t contradict anything I said. Christ came and fulfilled the old covenant and brought us a new one. All those who follow Christ and members of the New Israel. Those who rejected Christ can accept him at any time, but until they do so they are outside of the covenant. |
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Because God doesn’t give a flying fuck about politics. Free will got you into this mess, now get yourself out.
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Quoted: Genesis 12, 2-3: 2I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. 3I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you." View Quote So, since Trump blessed Israel while in office, especially by recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, wouldn't that have imparted to him God's blessing to continue in office for another term? View Quote Maybe things have to get worse before they can get better, maybe some people need to learn a lesson, maybe it's more complicated than we can understand. |
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Quoted: Deuteronomy 4:30-31 KJV [30] When thou art in tribulation, and all these things are come upon thee, EVEN IN THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the Lord thy God, and shalt be obedient unto his voice; [31] (For the Lord thy God is a merciful God;) he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them. Romans 11:29 KJV [29] For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance. View Quote Context is important. This has no bearing on the referenced post. |
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God is always involved in the affairs of men. Daniel's dream layed out the history of major kingdoms so obviously God knew the future. Imho, when Trump won it was God's will, when Trump lost, it was God's will. I think God allowed Trump to lose to hasten the end times. I don't think Israel is that big a deal anymore in regards to prophecy.
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Quoted: No. View Quote Yes. Because the high priest offering sacrifices in the temple was the central focal point of Judaism to atone for the sins of the Jewish people. Christ is now the eternal high priest, his one sacrifice atoned for the sins of all, once and through all time. Remember He said he would destroy the temple and raise it up again in 3 days. With no temple, and a new priesthood, Judaism as it was ended. The new covenant in Christ was instituted, and the Jews who began following Christ’s teachings spread it through the whole world. The Jews who rejected Christ clung to a dead religion, with no temple and no priesthood. The Jews who embraced Christ received the eternal life promised them in the new covenant, washed in the blood of the lamb. |
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Quoted: A plain reading of the Hebrew Scriptures says otherwise. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Because God doesn’t give a flying fuck about politics. Free will got you into this mess, now get yourself out. A plain reading of the Hebrew Scriptures says otherwise. And yet, here we are... |
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Let's keep the politics of it out of this forum please ~ medicmandan
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Quoted: God's ballot must have got lost in the mail. In all seriousness Israel is a highly secularized nation now with very few following Mosaic Law or living in fear of God's wrath. Tel Aviv is the most openly homosexual city on earth for example. God may send them His 'blessings" in the form of fire and brimstone if they don't repent soon. View Quote evidence or just commonly accepted knowledge? and are those folks actually jewish or are they something else? my take on election, is hte fig tree generation is starting to come about... if they (elite/bankers/power players/ satanists/globalists?) couldnt wait 4 years for trump to get out and had to blatantly steal this one with the most un-electable, geriatric, alzhieimer ridden candidate in modern history somethin else is at play? this verse comes to mind Revelation 12:12 12Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." i posted this in a diff tjread: https://www.christiantruthcenter.com/the-fig-tree-generation-the-generation-that-will-not-pass/ by his math the start of Jacobs Trouble needs to start before end of 2021, as the 7 years needs to be wrapped up by 2028, which is 1 generation from 1948, which is listed as 80 years in psalm 90:10 Our days may come to seventy years, or eighty, if our strength endures; yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away. now the bible says dont know day or hour, i think with the right application of scripture you could get a pretty good idea of times of things... not like the clearly delusional morons that point to a specific day, hour and year. thats clearly silly, as evidenced by them doin it repeatedly over the span of their lifetimes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxnN05vOuSM now, the concept of the "apostasia" and "2 peter 3:8 But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day." throws a wrench into any given pondering of trying to udnerstand stuff (1 cor 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly;) anyways, my TLDR reply is: time is short, and if trump was prez the "men of lawlessness" couldnt kick off the Great Tribulation |
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Quoted: The Israel of the Bible is first a person (Jacob) and then a race (Israelites) The Israel of the middle East is a country full of people (Jews, Arabs mostly) who are largely unrelated to Jacob-Israel, as they freely admit in their own literature. It is only by blessing the RACE that blessings come to others. FYI, the Israelites of the Bible left the area and migrated to Europe and eventually to the USA, Australia, South Africa and other countries once known as "Christendom" and all of them happen to be Caucasians. You can tell by the language of the Bible that all the main characters are white. Don't hate me, I can back up all of this from the Bible and historical/secular sources. View Quote black hebrew movement. interestin, but i feel its too much of a stretch |
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Quoted: Yes. Because the high priest offering sacrifices in the temple was the central focal point of Judaism to atone for the sins of the Jewish people. Christ is now the eternal high priest, his one sacrifice atoned for the sins of all, once and through all time. Remember He said he would destroy the temple and raise it up again in 3 days. With no temple, and a new priesthood, Judaism as it was ended. The new covenant in Christ was instituted, and the Jews who began following Christ's teachings spread it through the whole world. The Jews who rejected Christ clung to a dead religion, with no temple and no priesthood. The Jews who embraced Christ received the eternal life promised them in the new covenant, washed in the blood of the lamb. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No. Yes. Because the high priest offering sacrifices in the temple was the central focal point of Judaism to atone for the sins of the Jewish people. Christ is now the eternal high priest, his one sacrifice atoned for the sins of all, once and through all time. Remember He said he would destroy the temple and raise it up again in 3 days. With no temple, and a new priesthood, Judaism as it was ended. The new covenant in Christ was instituted, and the Jews who began following Christ's teachings spread it through the whole world. The Jews who rejected Christ clung to a dead religion, with no temple and no priesthood. The Jews who embraced Christ received the eternal life promised them in the new covenant, washed in the blood of the lamb. |
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