Posted: 9/7/2010 7:50:55 AM EDT
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If I were to put a bullet button on an AR10, could I legally have a threaded barrel (or in my case, an un-pinned JP Bennie Cooley muzzle brake)?
I plan on ordering a Krieger M110 barrel and dont want to have to pin anything to it. Thanks! |
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If I were to put a bullet button on an AR10, could I legally have a threaded barrel (or in my case, an un-pinned JP Bennie Cooley muzzle brake)? I plan on ordering a Krieger M110 barrel and dont want to have to pin anything to it. Thanks! It would depend on if CT views the BB the same way California does...I guess, technically speaking, the magazine still is detachable...  BTW, I'm not saying that I agree with it still being "detachable" I'm just saying that, with wingnuts like Lawlor, et al, and their severe cases of cranio-rectal inversion, you never know how they'll interpret it...
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The bullet button meets specific criteria/language that's in California law. There's no similar language in Connecticut law. The topic has been raised on this forum and others and there's no warm & fuzzy. Anyone wishing to be test case will get a free medium-sized bag of pretzel M&Ms for their efforts. |
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Here's one explanation for a bullet button. Confused me too. Its a CA thing.
While it apparently satisfies the CA AWB regulations (if used with magazines that are 10 rounds or less), don't know if CT would also accept it. I wouldn't want to be the test case when our AWB clearly state's; "ability to accept a detachable magazine". And all the bullet button conversion does is modify the magazine release so that a "tool" is required to release the magazine. 
The other option, short of buying a pre-ban lower, is to do away with the pistol grip on the AR. Someone once posted a link to a rifle stock or gip for an AR that didn't have a pistol grip or didn't have a grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon". Looked fuggly, but its a possible workaround for having a threaded barrel. ETA: OK fround a link and pictures of fuggly AR stock without pistol grip. Here's the apparently CA legal stock for AR's to get around the pistol grip issue. Its called a "U-15" or something like that. More info including places to possibly order it can be found in this 2007 Calguns.com thread. Unknown if CT legal though. 
ETA2: There are also these guys who sell a non pistol grip device to replace the pistol grip that is apparently CA compliant. They are used with an A2 style stock. Don't know if CT would see this as legal. http://www.monstermangrip.com/ Monstermangrip.com Legal Info 
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Here's one explanation for a bullet button. Confused me too. Its a CA thing.
While it apparently satisfies the CA AWB regulations (if used with magazines that are 10 rounds or less), don't know if CT would also accept it. I wouldn't want to be the test case when our AWB clearly state's; "ability to accept a detachable magazine". And all the bullet button conversion does is modify the magazine release so that a "tool" is required to release the magazine.
The other option, short of buying a pre-ban lower, is to do away with the pistol grip on the AR. Someone once posted a link to a rifle stock or gip for an AR that didn't have a pistol grip or didn't have a grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon". Looked fuggly, but its a possible workaround for having a threaded barrel. ETA: OK fround a link and pictures of fuggly AR stock without pistol grip. Here's the apparently CA legal stock for AR's to get around the pistol grip issue. Its called a "U-15" or something like that. More info including places to possibly order it can be found in this 2007 Calguns.com thread. Unknown if CT legal though. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/California%20Rifles%20U-15%20Stock/U15StockKit-480.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/California%20Rifles%20U-15%20Stock/U-15Rifle-M4.jpg ETA2: There are also these guys who sell a non pistol grip device to replace the pistol grip that is apparently CA compliant. They are used with an A2 style stock. Don't know if CT would see this as legal. http://www.monstermangrip.com/ Monstermangrip.com Legal Info http://www.monstermangrip.com/images/albums/NewAlbum_1de38/02MMGARside.jpg I saw an even better stock on a Remington AR at Hoffman's last weekend. 
Florida Gun Works sells the stocks in black for $119. |
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Here's one explanation for a bullet button. Confused me too. Its a CA thing.
While it apparently satisfies the CA AWB regulations (if used with magazines that are 10 rounds or less), don't know if CT would also accept it. I wouldn't want to be the test case when our AWB clearly state's; "ability to accept a detachable magazine". And all the bullet button conversion does is modify the magazine release so that a "tool" is required to release the magazine.
The other option, short of buying a pre-ban lower, is to do away with the pistol grip on the AR. Someone once posted a link to a rifle stock or gip for an AR that didn't have a pistol grip or didn't have a grip that "protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon". Looked fuggly, but its a possible workaround for having a threaded barrel. ETA: OK fround a link and pictures of fuggly AR stock without pistol grip. Here's the apparently CA legal stock for AR's to get around the pistol grip issue. Its called a "U-15" or something like that. More info including places to possibly order it can be found in this 2007 Calguns.com thread. Unknown if CT legal though. http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/California%20Rifles%20U-15%20Stock/U15StockKit-480.jpg http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/California%20Rifles%20U-15%20Stock/U-15Rifle-M4.jpg ETA2: There are also these guys who sell a non pistol grip device to replace the pistol grip that is apparently CA compliant. They are used with an A2 style stock. Don't know if CT would see this as legal. http://www.monstermangrip.com/ Monstermangrip.com Legal Info http://www.monstermangrip.com/images/albums/NewAlbum_1de38/02MMGARside.jpg I saw an even better stock on a Remington AR at Hoffman's last weekend. http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/picture-7-15.png Florida Gun Works sells the stocks in black for $119. 
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Cali-AR's just make me uneasy in the stomach. Can we not get pre-ban AR-10's? AR-10 is NOT on the "banned by name" list. The pre-ban SR-25 sounds EXTRA pricey . from CT General Statutes 53-202a: |
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Cali-AR's just make me uneasy in the stomach. Can we not get pre-ban AR-10's? AR-10 is NOT on the "banned by name" list. The pre-ban SR-25 sounds EXTRA pricey . from CT General Statutes 53-202a: There are no AR10s on the banned list. AR10 is an Armalite. I don't know if they made any pre '94 AR10s. There are some preban KAC SR25s, though. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Cali-AR's just make me uneasy in the stomach. Can we not get pre-ban AR-10's? AR-10 is NOT on the "banned by name" list. The pre-ban SR-25 sounds EXTRA pricey . from CT General Statutes 53-202a: There are no AR10s on the banned list. AR10 is an Armalite. I don't know if they made any pre '94 AR10s. There are some preban KAC SR25s, though. EDIT: Looks like they do exist, but you might as well get the Knight's rifle. Seems to mainly be Portuguese rifles that found their way back here, and they are pricey. Probably get a better answer over on Sturm, than from me. |
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Cali-AR's just make me uneasy in the stomach. Can we not get pre-ban AR-10's? AR-10 is NOT on the "banned by name" list. The pre-ban SR-25 sounds EXTRA pricey . from CT General Statutes 53-202a: There are no AR10s on the banned list. AR10 is an Armalite. I don't know if they made any pre '94 AR10s. There are some preban KAC SR25s, though. EDIT: Looks like they do exist, but you might as well get the Knight's rifle. Seems to mainly be Portuguese rifles that found their way back here, and they are pricey. Probably get a better answer over on Sturm, than from me.
That's kinda of what I was getting at. Although they existed for a long time they weren't exactly sold on the commercial market in the way that ARs have been for years. |
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If your not going to run a can, I would just save myself the hassle and money and forget about getting the barrel threaded. Do you really need the muzzle brake? I was going to build .308 AR a while back and changed my mind, I was going to to go with a Krieger barrel also. If you go with the MK11 Service barrel expect a wait, but not as long if they build you a custom spec'd barrel. Last time I was on the phone with someone as Krieger he said they try to stock the service barrel but still may a be a few months. If you wanted a different barrel expect about 6 months turn around or more. The extra time lets you save up for more parts  |