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Posted: 5/11/2020 1:09:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By brich2929: what braces do you guys that have the APC9k like? mine came with the folding SB tactical brace and i really like it. Might get a Split Fix for it, but so far, so good. |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 3:01:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HeavyArtillery]
[#2]
I originally had my APC9K setup with a folding stock. In this configuration, the Aimpoint Micro sight on the low B&T mount worked fine. I switched over to the telescopic stock and found that my cheek weld shifted up slightly and I had to pull it in firmly to my cheek to keep a good sight picture. As I tried transitions and simple drills, I felt that there were some brief periods where these close tolerances momentarily compromised my sight picture.
I wanted to improve my sight picture and see if there was an opportunity to effectively use the backup sights without removing the primary optic. I tried a few different combinations over the weekend. The co-witness Aimpoint bases combined with the factory backup sights were too high for me. This led me to installing the Troy Micro HK-height BattleSghts. The height on these felt perfect but I found they were too low to use when paired with an optic on standard AR-height bases. I switched the Aimpoint to an American Defense CAS-V mount. This mount absolute co-witnesses perfectly with the Troy sights. I ran a few drills and this combination worked great. This combination allows me to have both a comfortable cheek weld and an ideal height at eye level for consistent placement. I'm sharing this combination as there have been multiple posts related to getting the ideal optic height for use with the telescopic stock. There are some HK-height Micro mounts that provide lower 1/3 co-witness but I wanted to stay as compact as possible. YMMV BEFORE:  AFTER: 
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 4:53:10 PM EDT
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Eform 1 submitted! First one since 41F hit. Now we'll wait and see if there was any weird gotcha that I missed, or if my fingerprints get lost in the mail.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 5:59:15 PM EDT
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Can anyone tell me the thread pitch of the 2 small threaded holes on the receiver by the mlok slots?
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USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:09:19 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyArtillery: I originally had my APC9K setup with a folding stock. In this configuration, the Aimpoint Micro sight on the low B&T mount worked fine. I switched over to the telescopic stock and found that my cheek weld shifted up slightly and I had to pull it in firmly to my cheek to keep a good sight picture. As I tried transitions and simple drills, I felt that there were some brief periods where these close tolerances momentarily compromised my sight picture. I wanted to improve my sight picture and see if there was an opportunity to effectively use the backup sights without removing the primary optic. I tried a few different combinations over the weekend. The co-witness Aimpoint bases combined with the factory backup sights were too high for me. This led me to installing the Troy Micro HK-height BattleSghts. The height on these felt perfect but I found they were too low to use when paired with an optic on standard AR-height bases. I switched the Aimpoint to an American Defense CAS-V mount. This mount absolute co-witnesses perfectly with the Troy sights. I ran a few drills and this combination worked great. This combination allows me to have both a comfortable cheek weld and an ideal height at eye level for consistent placement. I'm sharing this combination as there have been multiple posts related to getting the ideal optic height for use with the telescopic stock. There are some HK-height Micro mounts that provide lower 1/3 co-witness but I wanted to stay as compact as possible. YMMV BEFORE: https://i.imgur.com/WNqqHsX.jpg AFTER: https://i.imgur.com/rAGXgUx.jpg This is good info. I just scored a good deal on a telescopic stock for my 9k (paid full retail but I have one now!) and have a T2 in a low mount for it because the absolutely is a bit higher than I’d like with the folding stock not thinking the different stocks would make a difference. I guess we’ll see soon. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 6:39:00 PM EDT
[#6]
3mm
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2020 7:23:08 PM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By notserp13: 3mm Thanks! |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2020 4:40:48 PM EDT
[#8]
sorry for the random question but i thought this would be a better place to ask than the optics forum.
i bought the Aimpoint micro tl and B&T quick release low mount combo some time ago and i am missing 3 screws for the mount. does anyone know if the standard M3 screws that come with the aimpoint micros will fit the B&T low mount? m3 screws https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-screw-m3-micro/ B&T mount https://www.gandrtactical.com/Aimpoint-TL-Micro-4MOA-wBT-Mount_p_1041.html |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/13/2020 5:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By humahuma: sorry for the random question but i thought this would be a better place to ask than the optics forum. i bought the Aimpoint micro tl and B&T quick release low mount combo some time ago and i am missing 3 screws for the mount. does anyone know if the standard M3 screws that come with the aimpoint micros will fit the B&T low mount? m3 screws https://www.aimpoint.com/product/aimpoint-screw-m3-micro/ B&T mount https://www.gandrtactical.com/Aimpoint-TL-Micro-4MOA-wBT-Mount_p_1041.html The screws fit. The allen wrench size was different. |
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Posted: 5/13/2020 5:52:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyArtillery: I originally had my APC9K setup with a folding stock. In this configuration, the Aimpoint Micro sight on the low B&T mount worked fine. I switched over to the telescopic stock and found that my cheek weld shifted up slightly and I had to pull it in firmly to my cheek to keep a good sight picture. As I tried transitions and simple drills, I felt that there were some brief periods where these close tolerances momentarily compromised my sight picture. I wanted to improve my sight picture and see if there was an opportunity to effectively use the backup sights without removing the primary optic. I tried a few different combinations over the weekend. The co-witness Aimpoint bases combined with the factory backup sights were too high for me. This led me to installing the Troy Micro HK-height BattleSghts. The height on these felt perfect but I found they were too low to use when paired with an optic on standard AR-height bases. I switched the Aimpoint to an American Defense CAS-V mount. This mount absolute co-witnesses perfectly with the Troy sights. I ran a few drills and this combination worked great. This combination allows me to have both a comfortable cheek weld and an ideal height at eye level for consistent placement. I'm sharing this combination as there have been multiple posts related to getting the ideal optic height for use with the telescopic stock. There are some HK-height Micro mounts that provide lower 1/3 co-witness but I wanted to stay as compact as possible. YMMV BEFORE: https://i.imgur.com/WNqqHsX.jpg AFTER: https://i.imgur.com/rAGXgUx.jpg Thanks! |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 8:37:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CPshooter1]
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By branflake12: It is absolutely meant as a single point. The gun comes with a single point sling, and if you look at how you people shoot PDW's without stocks, its by forcing the gun forward and creating tension. I use an MS1 with paraclips and have a second forward on the rail. That said, if you (or anyone!) doesnt want their little loop, ive tried unsuccessfully to buy one from B&T and would happily buy any take offs! |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 8:59:41 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CPshooter1: Yes, but I guess I'm wondering what the advantage is of using a melted-together nylon string loop that can break or rip instead of the integrated polymer loop that is already built into the buffer assembly/stock plate. The 1-point sling uses H&K style snap hooks that should go right through that integrated loop. Is there a specific use-case for the nylon string or am I missing something here? I remember that the SAW gunners in my old unit (15 years ago, man I feel old) used to use a paracord loop to go between the metal loop on the stock and the hook on the sling, because it would twist and flex and was replaceable. Hooking the sling hook onto the metal directly would end up with a broken stock loop or a broken sling hook when it would twist in regular use. The paracord can eventually fray and break, but you can usually see it coming and replace it before that happens. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 11:49:29 AM EDT
[#13]
@TheRat
I appreciate the info. So basically it's to keep the integrated loop from getting damaged. Makes sense. Would be nice if the nylon cord was at least one complete woven loop instead of a string melted together. It's the fact that it's melted that doesn't inspire confidence. Oh well. My APC9 Pro is set up with a 2-point sling anyhow, so I'll just leave it be and ignore it. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 11:56:42 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TheRat]
[#14]
We used to melt the knots on our loops as well, to prevent the loose ends from fraying.
There's also the noise factor to consider, metal sling clip in a solid hole is gonna make more noise than in Paracord. But yeah it's not super ideal and I'm slapping in one of those Preston Precision QD sockets in mine whenever it gets back from engraving. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 12:44:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRat: We used to melt the knots on our loops as well, to prevent the loose ends from fraying. There's also the noise factor to consider, metal sling clip in a solid hole is gonna make more noise than in Paracord. But yeah it's not super ideal and I'm slapping in one of those Preston Precision QD sockets in mine whenever it gets back from engraving. Preston is what I recommend. I’ve had mine for several months and it’s never had a problem. My only gripe is the lack of rotation limited QD. And that they don’t make a 9k version. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/14/2020 2:56:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HeavyArtillery: The screws fit. The allen wrench size was different. thanks! |
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Posted: 5/14/2020 3:07:43 PM EDT
[#17]
Midwest industries makes a folding brace QD socket as well, it might be rotation limited.
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:08:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Postal0311]
[#18]
 Got my Glock lower from Hollowtrail. I like the gun so much better with the Glock lower. The more I use the telescoping brace the less I like it. I may have to go back to the side folder. Edit: And for some reason unknown to me, ARFCOM put the picture upside down. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/15/2020 5:57:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: amediocreshooter]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58648/20200515_083516-1417210.jpg Got my Glock lower from Hollowtrail. I like the gun so much better with the Glock lower. The more I use the telescoping brace the less I like it. I may have to go back to the side folder. Edit: And for some reason unknown to me, ARFCOM put the picture upside down. Why don’t you like the telescoping brace? I’ve got a stock version on the way for my 9k. Curious if I made an expensive mistake! |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 8:29:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Postal0311: https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/58648/20200515_083516-1417210.jpg Got my Glock lower from Hollowtrail. I like the gun so much better with the Glock lower. The more I use the telescoping brace the less I like it. I may have to go back to the side folder. Edit: And for some reason unknown to me, ARFCOM put the picture upside down. I came to the same conclusion. The telescopic stock looks cool but didn’t feel as good as the folding stock so I ended up selling it and keeping the folder |
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USA
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Posted: 5/15/2020 9:18:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlphaThree:I came to the same conclusion. The telescopic stock looks cool but didn’t feel as good as the folding stock so I ended up selling it and keeping the folder Same here. |
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Posted: 5/15/2020 9:30:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AlphaThree: I came to the same conclusion. The telescopic stock looks cool but didn’t feel as good as the folding stock so I ended up selling it and keeping the folder I went a similar route. I had 4 of the telescopic stocks and though they looked cool I just did not like the way they felt while shooting. I've tried almost every stock you can put on a B&T APC series firearm and the adapted ACR stock version is by far my favorite. I really like the way it looks but it is so comfortable to shoot and the adjustable cheek rest is great too. I liked them so much that I put them on 5 of my B&T's. 
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Posted: 5/16/2020 6:01:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dirtyharriett: I went a similar route. I had 4 of the telescopic stocks and though they looked cool I just did not like the way they felt while shooting. I've tried almost every stock you can put on a B&T APC series firearm and the adapted ACR stock version is by far my favorite. I really like the way it looks but it is so comfortable to shoot and the adjustable cheek rest is great too. I liked them so much that I put them on 5 of my B&T's. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/121296/B_T_group_shot-1217545.jpg I’m trying to do a ACR stock. I have one ready to go but Dan Haga has Ben OOS of the adapters for weeks |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2020 4:02:33 PM EDT
[#24]
My apc9k with glock mag lower is up for sale if anyone is looking for one.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2020 5:27:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#25]
has anyone broken a disconnector?
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USA
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Posted: 5/19/2020 6:38:11 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By humahuma:has anyone broken a disconnector? Not sure if I broke mine, but it went ‘bad’ and the gun started doubling which was actually kinda fun. B&T replaced it with one from the ‘Pro’ which is supposedly different and improved compared to my legacy APC. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/19/2020 10:10:20 PM EDT
[#27]
thanks. they sent me a new one so hopefully it wont happen again.
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USA
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Posted: 5/20/2020 10:01:15 AM EDT
[#28]
Anyone have experience with the Surefire Ryder MP5 suppressor on an APC9? Eyeing this can over the Omega 9K.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2020 11:40:30 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aa_bran: Anyone have experience with the Surefire Ryder MP5 suppressor on an APC9? Eyeing this can over the Omega 9K. I was eyeing one as well, but Surefire's website says it's at 131db. That's identical to the Omega 9K, and certainly more than my current AAC Tirant 9 (125), so that killed any desire for me to get one. Same size as my AAC, but louder. Only benefit would be stainless steel construction. I have no experience with the Omega 9K though, just going off of the numbers I've seen online. |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2020 12:55:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Not sure if I broke mine, but it went ‘bad’ and the gun started doubling which was actually kinda fun. B&T replaced it with one from the ‘Pro’ which is supposedly different and improved compared to my legacy APC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Originally Posted By humahuma:has anyone broken a disconnector? Not sure if I broke mine, but it went ‘bad’ and the gun started doubling which was actually kinda fun. B&T replaced it with one from the ‘Pro’ which is supposedly different and improved compared to my legacy APC. Ive also went through this issue... Among other things...  |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/20/2020 1:03:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#31]
interesting. when b&t sent you a new disconnector, did you have issues with that one?
i only have about 1500 rounds through mine (original version) so i cant believe its normal wear that caused mine to break. FYI - B&T USA customer service has been awesome |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/21/2020 1:24:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CJofFL: Not sure if I broke mine, but it went ‘bad’ and the gun started doubling which was actually kinda fun. B&T replaced it with one from the ‘Pro’ which is supposedly different and improved compared to my legacy APC. A lot cheaper than a Franklin Armory Binary  Anyone tried these? https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-ma-p10-bt-mag-extenders |
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USA
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Posted: 5/21/2020 6:43:15 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By humahuma: interesting. when b&t sent you a new disconnector, did you have issues with that one? i only have about 1500 rounds through mine (original version) so i cant believe its normal wear that caused mine to break. FYI - B&T USA customer service has been awesome I determined it was the disconnector from function checking the trigger pack and sent the only the pack to them for repair. Mine was around 1500 rounds too. Seems to be a common problem with the originals. |
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Posted: 5/21/2020 8:20:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: A lot cheaper than a Franklin Armory Binary Anyone tried these? https://customsmithmfg.com/shop/ols/products/csm-ma-p10-bt-mag-extenders I have the CSM +10 and + 5. No issues with either on the TP9 or GHM9. APC has the Glock lower so I haven’t used them in that  Attached File |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/23/2020 8:16:14 PM EDT
[#35]
So I finally created an account here. And I’ve read the entire 52 page thread and just purchased an Apc9k pro
Plan to run a mag coupler. Mro low mount. Sb folding brace. In force on the right side. And bopro buis. And use as a back pack and home defense gun. I had two quick questions for y’all. I’m left handed and IM not sure how to make a sling setup for this. The only thing that makes sense is a single point sling attached to an offset qd mount at the rear of the 12 o’clock rail. Is this feasible? Also. I want to know if anyone has recommendations on what self defense ammo they found to be reliable in this platform. Thanks again for all of your guys’ wealth of knowledge here. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/24/2020 7:11:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: deanwormer]
[#36]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tjr2424: So I finally created an account here. And I’ve read the entire 52 page thread and just purchased an Apc9k pro Plan to run a mag coupler. Mro low mount. Sb folding brace. In force on the right side. And bopro buis. And use as a back pack and home defense gun. I had two quick questions for y’all. I’m left handed and IM not sure how to make a sling setup for this. The only thing that makes sense is a single point sling attached to an offset qd mount at the rear of the 12 o’clock rail. Is this feasible? Also. I want to know if anyone has recommendations on what self defense ammo they found to be reliable in this platform. Thanks again for all of your guys’ wealth of knowledge here. Welcome. Good choice. The APC 9 should eat almost anything. Mine does except aluminum case cheapo. I rely on regular federal HST 124gr I don’t see the need for +P but I also use a regular length APC. Non +P feels about the same as nato 9mm ball which is my preferred practice ammo and basically the same POA:POI at 50yd. By the way. Weaker ammo tends to result in grass a bit more 3-4 o clock which isn’t too big a deal but I prefer the cases to go 2-3 o clock with nato or hot euro loads (fiocchi. Brown bear PPU nato( Sling wise. If I used one I would consider a VTAC Qd low profile rail mount on the top rail and tie it to the stock/bracehowever you want (2 point). For one point could you just clip it on the back of the stock/brace? Eta: as a lefty. You will not like that left hand side safety digging into your trigger finger when you flip to fire. I recommend filing it down. You can order a spare from B&T |
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Posted: 5/25/2020 1:16:27 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By deanwormer: Eta: as a lefty. You will not like that left hand side safety digging into your trigger finger when you flip to fire. I recommend filing it down. You can order a spare from B&T Or get the Safety-delete from HB Industries to replace the right side safety. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/25/2020 4:30:38 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bmg2: Or get the Safety-delete from HB Industries to replace the right side safety. That does you no good as a lefty. You want the right side one and the left side is different. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/26/2020 1:26:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Tjr2424]
[#39]
Thanks for the Info I run 124 hst on all my pistols so that’s nice for me. I’ll look into the sling options and work on figuring out what to do with the selector.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2020 1:47:41 PM EDT
[#40]
Also, I'm going to be running the sbti brace on the apc9k pro. I've looked at the vtac sling mount as well as the fortis. One thing I just came across is the midwest industried brace mount that seems like it would be a lot better option. Just not sure of the quality and dependability. does anyone have experience with the mi sling mount? I'll attach links of each below.
fortis https://www.opticsplanet.com/fortis-manufacturing-picatinny-rail-attachment-point-sling-mount.html vtac https://www.opticsplanet.com/viking-tactics-vtac-low-profile-sling-mount.html midwest brace mount https://www.sb-tactical.com/product/sbt-series-midwest-industries-qd-sling-adapter/ |
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Posted: 5/27/2020 4:28:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 3-gun]
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2020 5:18:11 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Tjr2424]
[#42]
nice man. I'm doing the same setup for mine! looks great! only difference i'm gonna keep the 46 end cap on since i have an asr mount for it as well. and with the .46 end cap it's only a hair louder with less gas blowback.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2020 6:52:16 PM EDT
[#43]
does anyone have photos of the apc9 magazine footprint? I'm wondering the difference between the 20, 25, and 30 round mags when in the gun. My apc9k is going in a back pack and the 30 seems just a bit too long (width wise) when stored vertically in the bag between the end of the mag and top of the optic, but my local gun store only carries 30's so id have to order either the 20's or 25's and want to make sure i get the right size.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/27/2020 8:42:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: humahuma]
[#44]
30 is 8", 25 is 7", 20 is 6". bumper adds about an 1/8"
 im a fan of the 25 for plinking 
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/28/2020 2:35:32 PM EDT
[#45]
is that a 30 or 25 in the gun?
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Posted: 5/28/2020 4:02:38 PM EDT
[#46]
I find a 15 keeps the bottom roughly in line with the grip bottom, and fits in the very small backpack i use to transport the APC. Keep a 15 in it, a 30 in one of the side pockets, can on the other, sling rolled up and tucked into the space under the rail.
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USA
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Posted: 5/30/2020 10:39:45 AM EDT
[Last Edit: amediocreshooter]
[#47]
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CO, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 3:16:04 PM EDT
[#48]
As far as spare/replacement parts, what would y'all keep on hand for an APC9 Pro?
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AK, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 4:46:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: HeavyArtillery]
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheRat: As far as spare/replacement parts, what would y'all keep on hand for an APC9 Pro? Spare bolt parts are always a good idea. I'd recommend the firing pin kit (BT-KIT010) and extractor kit (BT-KIT011). You could always add an ejector kit (BT-KIT012) for more peace of mind. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 6/1/2020 7:51:38 PM EDT
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APC9K Finally Arrived... Starting putting all of the accessories on it and ran into an issue.
The Mag coupler I bought for it fits over the mags, but doesn't seem to lock them into place well enough... I get it as tight as it goes and simply loading it into the magwell or bumping them makes them slide. Is the mag coupler defective? I feel like once they're both fully loaded and its bouncing around on a sling the magazines are going to slide around in it. has anyone else had similar problems. any reccomendations? |
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