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Posted: 12/18/2001 10:46:22 PM EDT
Infact few people alive today have even seen an AK-47.
Link Posted: 12/18/2001 10:57:12 PM EDT
If your talking about the original AK-47's issued in 1949, you MIGHT be correct. Although some of our Vietnam vets may have some experience with the real deal. Though the enemy more than likely had Chinese versions, a few Russians may have been in the mix.

And there may be a few others around here who have some experience with a real AK-47.

AK's are pretty tough. I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban and the Northern Alliance both have the real McCoy in use.
Link Posted: 12/18/2001 11:04:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban and the Northern Alliance both have the real McCoy in use.



I would think the AKM, AKS, or AK-74, much more likely than a AK-47.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 4:09:44 AM EDT
Not only have I shot a Russian AK-47 but I have been shot at with a Russian AK-47. Chinese as well. Ist. Marines, I Corps RNV.
Those were the days, lots of weapons and plenty of free ammo.
Bill
Simper FI
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 4:45:59 AM EDT
I have'nt fired the so called "real" AK,but have seen "it" numerous times while in Russia. I do own the "variant"...not sure why you are making a case for this.

I've never "heard" JFK...and never "seen" him...but I know what he looks like,what does that mean?

Whichever..since I have seen a "real" AK...what do I win?

Slow mornin',
NAKED[/blue
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 5:35:07 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 6:16:11 AM EDT
Sorry, but I have not only seen one I have shot the real deal.It was owned a a SGT that I served with at Fort Knox.BTW it was a blast to let it rip through a whole clip(I couldn't hit much that way)but it was fun!Damn am I that Old? It's time for my nap now.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 6:59:44 AM EDT
Wow. Guess I was hallucinating then..

I mean if this is true, then how else did I conclude that a Stg44 is MUCH more plesant to shoot than an AK?

Meplat-
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 9:55:17 AM EDT
AK variants i have shot:

Russian AK-47
Hungarian AK-47
Chinese M56-2
Chinese M56-S
Russian AKSU-74
Finnish Rk62
Finnish Valmet M76
Finnish Sako M92S
Israeli Galil ARM

That enough AKs for you...



Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:10:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:
Infact few people alive today have even seen an AK-47.




haven't you ever heard the saying about assuming things?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:18:42 AM EDT

Originally Posted By shadowjack1:
Not only have I shot a Russian AK-47 but I have been shot at with a Russian AK-47. Chinese as well. Ist. Marines, I Corps RNV.



Bill was it an original AK-47 or an AKM? do you even know the difference?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:23:20 AM EDT

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
If your talking about the original AK-47's issued in 1949



Any later model wouldnt be an AK-47 now, would it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:30:34 AM EDT
AR15fan =

Av.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:40:31 AM EDT
When I was in the service, I put a few rounds through a Russian AK47 (milled reciever), a Russian AKM (Stamped Reciever), AKM with folding stock (Bulgarian I think) and an Russian SVD (missing Scope). I liked that SVD alot. I also got to play with an RPG (didn't get to fire it).
I remember being surpised by how heavy the AK's were.
Larry
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 10:45:29 AM EDT
Why don't you enlighten us on the differences ?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 11:21:24 AM EDT
Did I miss something???? I bet nobody has really shot an AR15 before..hey I read you guys have BM, Armalite, DPMS, and "other" versions...Soooooooo like another poster asked..whats your point?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 11:27:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/19/2001 11:19:27 AM EDT by mr_wilson]
One things for certain, we may not have seen a 1949 AK-47, but we have for sure seen your ass.

Just my opinion,
Mike

PS - It stinks!
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 11:30:55 AM EDT
Ummm, does anyone even care? Its a general term for a type of weapon, get over it.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 11:33:27 AM EDT

Originally Posted By mr_wilson:
One things for certain, we may not have seen a 1949 AK-47, but we have for sure seen your ass.

Just my opinion,
Mike

PS - It stinks!



Too darn funny Mr Wilson!!!
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 12:06:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tonys68l36:
Soooooooo like another poster asked..whats your point?



The point is, words mean things. When you say "M16" but mean Colt SP1, DPMS panther bull, or Bushmaster XM15E2S you dumb down this board. Infact it is the same thing we complain about when the media calls a MAK-90 an "AK47".

Many have fired a AK-series rifle, or AK-type rifle. Very few have ever fired an actual AK-47. If us RKI cant get the terms straight, then we can never epect the media or John Q. Public to understand the difference.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 12:14:52 PM EDT
Then you better change your name to "AR15_type_fan".

Av.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 1:25:13 PM EDT
I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board mistakenly call an AR 15 an M 16, but all that aside, if a weapon is still being produced the same way, then does it really matter?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 1:32:16 PM EDT
O.K. NERD
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 1:36:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Vinnie:
I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board mistakenly call an AR 15 an M 16...



Yet they consistantly type "AK-47" when refering to a MAK-90, Maadi MISR, or SAR-1.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 1:37:02 PM EDT
so with that reasoning the b17 i saw at an airshow was not in fact a b17 because it did not have real machine guns or bombs. however i did see a REAL b29. i have seen a real mg42, which is much cooler than an ak, oops, i mean AK-47.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 1:58:17 PM EDT
My underfolder says AK47S on the side...
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 2:16:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AR15fan:

Originally Posted By operatorerror:
If your talking about the original AK-47's issued in 1949



Any later model wouldnt be an AK-47 now, would it.



So are you saying that those of us who have fired Soviet military AK-47 rifles while in the service did NOT fire an AK-47?

I'm pretty sure I've fired an AK-47, and I have no idea whether the specific rifles we had were built in the 1940's or not.

It sounds like you are saying that unless you've driven a 1964 Ford Mustang, you've never driven a Mustang. If that's what you're saying, then I think you're wrong.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 2:40:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 2:49:29 PM EDT
You tell him, Campy!

By the way, here are two of my rifles. I'm not sure what kind they are now.

Link Posted: 12/19/2001 2:58:59 PM EDT
if i made a product let's call it (asd) and i sell it to 3 people for distribution, one calls it (zxc) , the other (123) and the other (iop).
it is still a (asd) get the picture!
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 4:14:28 PM EDT
Well Ihave never slept Eve are all the other women fake?
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 4:25:19 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Avalon01:
Then you better change your name to "AR15_type_fan".

Av.




ROFLMAO..............
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 4:42:29 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DK-Prof:
It sounds like you are saying that unless you've driven a 1964 Ford Mustang, you've never driven a Mustang.



No, I'm saying if you just bought a 1984 Mustang LX, dont claim to own a 1964 Mustang.

A MAK-90 is not an AK-47.
A SAR-1 is not an AK-47.
A AKM is not an AK-47.
A AKS is not an AK-47.
A AK47S is not an AK-47.

Link Posted: 12/19/2001 5:04:04 PM EDT
AR15_Type_Fan,
That is stupid! There are plenty of AK-47's out there! I agree about the AKMs, etc, but to ASSume that no one has seen or shot one is asanine! I shot an RPK, and a full auto AK-47. The AK-47 may not have been built in 1949, but it was an AK!!!

AR15_TYPE_FAN =
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 5:08:30 PM EDT
I'll chime in.

Here is what I remember about the AK series.

AK-47: From about 1947-1949 (or so). Stamped receiver. Not many made, few left the USSR.

AK-47-1: From 1948-1958. Milled receiver, because of problems with the original stamped ones. Around one million or so. Few left the USSR.

AKM: From 1958 to the 1980s. Stamped receiver. Most of the Soviet troops armed with AKs carried these. Most of the weapons exported by the Soviets were AKMs. Most of the Communist Bloc-manufactured AKs were AKMs or AKM variants (like the Chines Type 56, the Polish and Yugoslavian AKs and so on).

AK-74 (and associated weapons). Mid 1970s on.

Technically, he is probably right, because very few actual "AK-47"s were actually produced, and most never left the Soviet Union. The weapon that has been erroneously referred to in the press and in military publications for the last fifty years as the "AK-47" is actually the AKM.
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 5:41:53 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Tuukka:
AK variants i have shot:

Russian AK-47
Hungarian AK-47
Chinese M56-2
Chinese M56-S
Russian AKSU-74
Finnish Rk62
Finnish Valmet M76
Finnish Sako M92S
Israeli Galil ARM

That enough AKs for you...






You might wan´t to change the topic title now....
Link Posted: 12/19/2001 5:54:51 PM EDT
This is all well and good, but.... The media hates your rifle REGUARDLESS if it is a "real" AK-47 or M-16 or not. They make no distinction between the verious models or veriants. They are ignorant about the subject and even if they weren't, they would still call a MAK-90 an AK-47. They will call it an AK-47 (or an M-16 or an AR-15) because just about everyone can identify with these weapons common names. They do not know your rifle is a XM15A2 or a SAR-1. As far as they are concerned, you will always have an AK-47 and an Ar-15 "assult rifle" (they NEVER leave that part out, no matter if it is correct or not).

Any attempt at Polical correctness to placate the media is wasted effert. To them you will always be a dangerous gun nut just waiting for the chance to shoot up a mall. You can be damn sure they will take every opportunity to remind you and the general public of this also....

Link Posted: 12/19/2001 9:36:05 PM EDT

Originally Posted By natez:
I'll chime in.

Here is what I remember about the AK series.

AK-47: From about 1947-1949 (or so). Stamped receiver. Not many made, few left the USSR.

AK-47-1: From 1948-1958. Milled receiver, because of problems with the original stamped ones. Around one million or so. Few left the USSR.

AKM: From 1958 to the 1980s. Stamped receiver. Most of the Soviet troops armed with AKs carried these. Most of the weapons exported by the Soviets were AKMs. Most of the Communist Bloc-manufactured AKs were AKMs or AKM variants (like the Chines Type 56, the Polish and Yugoslavian AKs and so on).

AK-74 (and associated weapons). Mid 1970s on.

Technically, he is probably right, because very few actual "AK-47"s were actually produced, and most never left the Soviet Union. The weapon that has been erroneously referred to in the press and in military publications for the last fifty years as the "AK-47" is actually the AKM.



Somebody that gets it. His reply should be in the FAQ.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 5:05:17 AM EDT
A pat on the back for AR15fan and maybe *someday* I will be half as smart as you . . .
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 5:43:25 AM EDT
AR15Fan... are you Jander? I think so...
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:08:46 AM EDT
How nitpicky do we wanna get? The name AR-15 is owned by Colt (as on their website, stating so) So if we have any other make, we dont belong here? Names become generic, after a while...scotch tape, handi-wrap, Q-tips to name a few, but we know what is meant, regardless of brand name or configuration...picky, picky. Mine says COLT, but its not a true AR-15, so I better leave.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 6:31:57 AM EDT
Um, I seem to have missed the point of this thread.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:00:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2001 6:53:48 AM EDT by Sukebe]

Originally Posted By vicg1:
AR15Fan... are you Jander? I think so...



I doubt it. He's just a fan of the Colt AR15 but not the copies made by other companies.

I wonder if he's ever fired an AR15.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:10:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/20/2001 7:02:55 AM EDT by nakey]

Originally Posted By natez:
Technically, he is probably right, because very few actual "AK-47"s were actually produced, and most never left the Soviet Union.



Technically, he's right. But then, technically i'm not allowed on this forum because i have a Colt XM177E2 (Not technically an AR15), An Armalite M15A2 NM (Also not technically an AR15) and
a Bushmaster XM15 E2S V Match 20" Rifle (Again, not technically an AR15) back in the Phillipines.

Also, how many of us have one of these
www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f7_ar15_9mm.html
www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f8_ar15_a2govt.html
www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f9_ar15_a3tact.html
www.armalite.com/library/history/history.htm (Look for the AR15 Pic near the bottom of the page)

If we don't have those specific rifles, does that mean we shouldn't be posting on this sight?
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:16:41 AM EDT
This has gooten *slightly* out of hand. We're supposed to be on the same side, not nit-picking each other.
Even the media reporters in Asia that I've been listening to are starting to call them "Kalashnikov's" since they don't know the exact type or flavor.

Lets get along and leave this one alone, it's a dead issue.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 7:31:55 AM EDT

Originally Posted By fuzzy_dba:
This has gooten *slightly* out of hand. We're supposed to be on the same side, not nit-picking each other.
Even the media reporters in Asia that I've been listening to are starting to call them "Kalashnikov's" since they don't know the exact type or flavor.

Lets get along and leave this one alone, it's a dead issue.



true, true. So what if most of the world calls the AKM an AK-47. It's not like it makes a big difference to the target. If we are going to be really pedantic with guns, i shouldn't be here cause i don't live with my ARs anymore (Semi-Auto rifles are illegal in Australia).
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 12:15:47 PM EDT
"If we are going to be really pedantic with guns, i shouldn't be here cause i don't live with my ARs anymore (Semi-Auto rifles are illegal in Australia)."

I couldn't stand not being able to grab one of my AR's or AK's and go shooting whenever I wanted to. How do you do it?????
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 1:21:53 PM EDT
Someone needs to lock this tread!!!!!

This has gotten out of hand. All this was, since the beginning, was a flame war!!!



The next thing he will post is that no one has every shot a AR-15 since the first one was a full auto by Stoner for testing and the rest are copys in semi. Or, that the only true FAL is the T-48 used in testing.

If he had his way, this site would be called:
www.ar-15-piss-poor-copy.com

End of line.
Link Posted: 12/20/2001 1:31:30 PM EDT
Since we are getting all so technical about the "names" etc...
It should read:

A MAK-90 is not an AK-47.
A SAR-1 is not an AK-47.
An AKM is not an AK-47.
An AKS is not an AK-47.
An AK47S is not an AK-47.
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