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Posted: 12/18/2001 10:57:12 PM EDT
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If your talking about the original AK-47's issued in 1949, you MIGHT be correct. Although some of our Vietnam vets may have some experience with the real deal. Though the enemy more than likely had Chinese versions, a few Russians may have been in the mix.
And there may be a few others around here who have some experience with a real AK-47. AK's are pretty tough. I wouldn't be surprised if the Taliban and the Northern Alliance both have the real McCoy in use. |
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Posted: 12/18/2001 11:04:52 PM EDT
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I would think the AKM, AKS, or AK-74, much more likely than a AK-47. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 4:09:44 AM EDT
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Not only have I shot a Russian AK-47 but I have been shot at with a Russian AK-47. Chinese as well. Ist. Marines, I Corps RNV.
Those were the days, lots of weapons and plenty of free ammo. Bill Simper FI |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 4:45:59 AM EDT
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I have'nt fired the so called "real" AK,but have seen "it" numerous times while in Russia. I do own the "variant"...not sure why you are making a case for this.
I've never "heard" JFK...and never "seen" him...but I know what he looks like,what does that mean? Whichever..since I have seen a "real" AK...what do I win? Slow mornin', NAKED[/blue |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 5:35:07 AM EDT
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huh? the ak-47 was built up thru 1958 in the ussr and into the '90's by countries such as bulgaria (export version).
"Infact few people alive today have even seen an AK-47." the taliban and northern alliance boys are playing with tens of thousands of first, second and third version ak-47's. drop over to the ak side of the board and check out the pics of ak's dating back to 1950-51 (and still going strong!) |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 6:16:11 AM EDT
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Sorry, but I have not only seen one I have shot the real deal.It was owned a a SGT that I served with at Fort Knox.BTW it was a blast to let it rip through a whole clip(I couldn't hit much that way)but it was fun!Damn am I that Old?
 It's time for my nap now.
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Posted: 12/19/2001 6:59:44 AM EDT
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Wow. Guess I was hallucinating then..
I mean if this is true, then how else did I conclude that a Stg44 is MUCH more plesant to shoot than an AK? Meplat- |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 9:55:17 AM EDT
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AK variants i have shot:
Russian AK-47 Hungarian AK-47 Chinese M56-2 Chinese M56-S Russian AKSU-74 Finnish Rk62 Finnish Valmet M76 Finnish Sako M92S Israeli Galil ARM That enough AKs for you...  |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:10:05 AM EDT
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haven't you ever heard the saying about assuming things? |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:18:42 AM EDT
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Bill was it an original AK-47 or an AKM? do you even know the difference? |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:23:20 AM EDT
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Any later model wouldnt be an AK-47 now, would it. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:30:34 AM EDT
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AR15fan =
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:40:31 AM EDT
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When I was in the service, I put a few rounds through a Russian AK47 (milled reciever), a Russian AKM (Stamped Reciever), AKM with folding stock (Bulgarian I think) and an Russian SVD (missing Scope). I liked that SVD alot. I also got to play with an RPG (didn't get to fire it).
I remember being surpised by how heavy the AK's were. Larry |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 10:45:29 AM EDT
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Why don't you enlighten us on the differences ?
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Posted: 12/19/2001 11:21:24 AM EDT
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Did I miss something???? I bet nobody has really shot an AR15 before..hey I read you guys have BM, Armalite, DPMS, and "other" versions...Soooooooo like another poster asked..whats your point?
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Posted: 12/19/2001 11:27:22 AM EDT
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One things for certain, we may not have seen a 1949 AK-47, but we have for sure seen your ass.
Just my opinion, Mike PS - It stinks! |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 11:30:55 AM EDT
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Ummm, does anyone even care? Its a general term for a type of weapon, get over it.
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Posted: 12/19/2001 11:33:27 AM EDT
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Too darn funny Mr Wilson!!! |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 12:06:52 PM EDT
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The point is, words mean things. When you say "M16" but mean Colt SP1, DPMS panther bull, or Bushmaster XM15E2S you dumb down this board. Infact it is the same thing we complain about when the media calls a MAK-90 an "AK47". Many have fired a AK-series rifle, or AK-type rifle. Very few have ever fired an actual AK-47. If us RKI cant get the terms straight, then we can never epect the media or John Q. Public to understand the difference. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 12:14:52 PM EDT
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Then you better change your name to "AR15_type_fan".
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Posted: 12/19/2001 1:25:13 PM EDT
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I don't think I've ever seen anyone on this board mistakenly call an AR 15 an M 16, but all that aside, if a weapon is still being produced the same way, then does it really matter?
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Posted: 12/19/2001 1:32:16 PM EDT
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O.K. NERD
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Posted: 12/19/2001 1:36:11 PM EDT
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Yet they consistantly type "AK-47" when refering to a MAK-90, Maadi MISR, or SAR-1. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 1:37:02 PM EDT
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so with that reasoning the b17 i saw at an airshow was not in fact a b17 because it did not have real machine guns or bombs. however i did see a REAL b29. i have seen a real mg42, which is much cooler than an ak, oops, i mean AK-47.
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Posted: 12/19/2001 1:58:17 PM EDT
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My underfolder says AK47S on the side...
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Posted: 12/19/2001 2:16:13 PM EDT
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So are you saying that those of us who have fired Soviet military AK-47 rifles while in the service did NOT fire an AK-47? I'm pretty sure I've fired an AK-47, and I have no idea whether the specific rifles we had were built in the 1940's or not. It sounds like you are saying that unless you've driven a 1964 Ford Mustang, you've never driven a Mustang. If that's what you're saying, then I think you're wrong. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 2:40:32 PM EDT
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"Any later model wouldnt be an AK-47 now, would it."
yes...it would. the official designation of the ak-47 did not change from 1949 thru 1959, when it was superceded by the "akm" (avtomat kalashnikova modernizirovvaniy). i think "we" do just fine with the linguistics of firearms, thank you. excuse me if if i refer to my campyclone as a ak-74. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 2:49:29 PM EDT
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You tell him, Campy!
By the way, here are two of my rifles. I'm not sure what kind they are now.  
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Posted: 12/19/2001 2:58:59 PM EDT
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if i made a product let's call it (asd) and i sell it to 3 people for distribution, one calls it (zxc) , the other (123) and the other (iop).
it is still a (asd) get the picture! |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 4:14:28 PM EDT
[#30]
Well Ihave never slept Eve are all the other women fake?
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Posted: 12/19/2001 4:25:19 PM EDT
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ROFLMAO.............. 
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Posted: 12/19/2001 4:42:29 PM EDT
[#32]
No, I'm saying if you just bought a 1984 Mustang LX, dont claim to own a 1964 Mustang. A MAK-90 is not an AK-47. A SAR-1 is not an AK-47. A AKM is not an AK-47. A AKS is not an AK-47. A AK47S is not an AK-47. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 5:04:04 PM EDT
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AR15_Type_Fan,
That is stupid! There are plenty of AK-47's out there! I agree about the AKMs, etc, but to ASSume that no one has seen or shot one is asanine! I shot an RPK, and a full auto AK-47. The AK-47 may not have been built in 1949, but it was an AK!!! AR15_TYPE_FAN =
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Posted: 12/19/2001 5:08:30 PM EDT
[#34]
I'll chime in.
Here is what I remember about the AK series. AK-47: From about 1947-1949 (or so). Stamped receiver. Not many made, few left the USSR. AK-47-1: From 1948-1958. Milled receiver, because of problems with the original stamped ones. Around one million or so. Few left the USSR. AKM: From 1958 to the 1980s. Stamped receiver. Most of the Soviet troops armed with AKs carried these. Most of the weapons exported by the Soviets were AKMs. Most of the Communist Bloc-manufactured AKs were AKMs or AKM variants (like the Chines Type 56, the Polish and Yugoslavian AKs and so on). AK-74 (and associated weapons). Mid 1970s on. Technically, he is probably right, because very few actual "AK-47"s were actually produced, and most never left the Soviet Union. The weapon that has been erroneously referred to in the press and in military publications for the last fifty years as the "AK-47" is actually the AKM. |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 5:41:53 PM EDT
[#35]
You might wan´t to change the topic title now.... |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 5:54:51 PM EDT
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This is all well and good, but.... The media hates your rifle REGUARDLESS if it is a "real" AK-47 or M-16 or not. They make no distinction between the verious models or veriants. They are ignorant about the subject and even if they weren't, they would still call a MAK-90 an AK-47. They will call it an AK-47 (or an M-16 or an AR-15) because just about everyone can identify with these weapons common names. They do not know your rifle is a XM15A2 or a SAR-1. As far as they are concerned, you will always have an AK-47 and an Ar-15 "assult rifle" (they NEVER leave that part out, no matter if it is correct or not).
Any attempt at Polical correctness to placate the media is wasted effert. To them you will always be a dangerous gun nut just waiting for the chance to shoot up a mall. You can be damn sure they will take every opportunity to remind you and the general public of this also.... |
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Posted: 12/19/2001 9:36:05 PM EDT
[#37]
Somebody that gets it. His reply should be in the FAQ. |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 5:05:17 AM EDT
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A pat on the back for AR15fan and maybe *someday* I will be half as smart as you . . .
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Posted: 12/20/2001 5:43:25 AM EDT
[#39]
AR15Fan... are you Jander? I think so...
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Posted: 12/20/2001 6:08:46 AM EDT
[#40]
How nitpicky do we wanna get? The name AR-15 is owned by Colt (as on their website, stating so) So if we have any other make, we dont belong here? Names become generic, after a while...scotch tape, handi-wrap, Q-tips to name a few, but we know what is meant, regardless of brand name or configuration...picky, picky. Mine says COLT, but its not a true AR-15, so I better leave.
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Posted: 12/20/2001 6:31:57 AM EDT
[#41]
Um, I seem to have missed the point of this thread.
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Posted: 12/20/2001 7:00:51 AM EDT
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I doubt it. He's just a fan of the Colt AR15 but not the copies made by other companies.  I wonder if he's ever fired an AR15. |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 7:10:14 AM EDT
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Technically, he's right. But then, technically i'm not allowed on this forum because i have a Colt XM177E2 (Not technically an AR15), An Armalite M15A2 NM (Also not technically an AR15) and a Bushmaster XM15 E2S V Match 20" Rifle (Again, not technically an AR15) back in the Phillipines. Also, how many of us have one of these www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f7_ar15_9mm.html www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f8_ar15_a2govt.html www.colt.com/colt/html/a2f9_ar15_a3tact.html www.armalite.com/library/history/history.htm (Look for the AR15 Pic near the bottom of the page) If we don't have those specific rifles, does that mean we shouldn't be posting on this sight? |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 7:16:41 AM EDT
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This has gooten *slightly* out of hand. We're supposed to be on the same side, not nit-picking each other.
Even the media reporters in Asia that I've been listening to are starting to call them "Kalashnikov's" since they don't know the exact type or flavor. Lets get along and leave this one alone, it's a dead issue. |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 12:15:47 PM EDT
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"If we are going to be really pedantic with guns, i shouldn't be here cause i don't live with my ARs anymore (Semi-Auto rifles are illegal in Australia)."
I couldn't stand not being able to grab one of my AR's or AK's and go shooting whenever I wanted to. How do you do it????? |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 1:21:53 PM EDT
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Someone needs to lock this tread!!!!!
This has gotten out of hand. All this was, since the beginning, was a flame war!!! The next thing he will post is that no one has every shot a AR-15 since the first one was a full auto by Stoner for testing and the rest are copys in semi. Or, that the only true FAL is the T-48 used in testing. If he had his way, this site would be called: www.ar-15-piss-poor-copy.com End of line. |
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Posted: 12/20/2001 1:31:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Since we are getting all so technical about the "names" etc...
It should read: A MAK-90 is not an AK-47. A SAR-1 is not an AK-47. An AKM is not an AK-47. An AKS is not an AK-47. An AK47S is not an AK-47. |
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