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Visual Guide: How to Fill out a Form 1 using EForms (Page 4 of 6)
| How particular are they about the fingerprints? I'm working on printing my own, and I'm getting OK but not perfect results. |
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Originally Posted By 2apatriot:
How particular are they about the fingerprints? I'm working on printing my own, and I'm getting OK but not perfect results. |
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I have a Form 1 in draft state and when I look at the Responsible Persons 5320.23s and the photos that I have uploaded both show the file size as 0 bytes. All of the legal entity documents that i have uploaded show the correct number of bytes.
I deleted the draft and started another one with the same results. Anyone have any thoughts or ideas? |
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Originally Posted By NoEcm:
I have a Form 1 in draft state and when I look at the Responsible Persons 5320.23s and the photos that I have uploaded both show the file size as 0 bytes. All of the legal entity documents that i have uploaded show the correct number of bytes. I deleted the draft and started another one with the same results. Anyone have any thoughts or ideas? I went ahead and submitted the Form 1 and proceeded to submit another 2 Form 1's that showed the same issue, 0 byte 5320.23s and photos but all opened properly. "Ask The Expert" also said that if there were any issues with the 0 bye attachments they would email me. |
| Is it going to be an issue my Trust Inventory page did not list my lower serial number in my efile? I was going to wait to add after approval. The Capital Armory video mentioned nothing of trueing up the inventory form with the Trust prior to submitting the efile |
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO:
Is it going to be an issue my Trust Inventory page did not list my lower serial number in my efile? I was going to wait to add after approval. The Capital Armory video mentioned nothing of trueing up the inventory form with the Trust prior to submitting the efile |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Shouldn’t be an issue. I stress shouldn't over won’t. You never know what nonexistent rule will get enforced each day. Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Originally Posted By DefenderAO:
Is it going to be an issue my Trust Inventory page did not list my lower serial number in my efile? I was going to wait to add after approval. The Capital Armory video mentioned nothing of trueing up the inventory form with the Trust prior to submitting the efile 
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Originally Posted By m24shooter:
For subsequent efilings do I have to keep uploading my trust forms each time? 1. Have you had a Form 1/4 approved in the previous 24 months? 2. Have there been any changes to your trust since the previous submission? If the answers are “Yes” and “No”, you can file a certification that nothing has changed instead. Discussed earlier today, here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/E-File-again-with-amendment-/17-507906/ |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Depends on a couple things: 1. Have you had a Form 1/4 approved in the previous 24 months? 2. Have there been any changes to your trust since the previous submission? If the answers are “Yes” and “No”, you can file a certification that nothing has changed instead. Discussed earlier today, here: https://www.ar15.com/forums/Armory/E-File-again-with-amendment-/17-507906/ |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
Try this. 1. Create a blank .doc file 2. Upload blank file 3. Upload trust 4. Delete blank file |
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Originally Posted By PaulPlays:
Can't seem to get this to work. I've uploaded a few different random files no problem, it just won't take the trust. It's a 1.24MB pdf. Any ideas? I logged out and back in. Maybe somebody else will have suggestions. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon:
I’ve never had uploading issues other than the one time that the above solution fixed...assuming the file size was <3MB. Maybe somebody else will have suggestions. Now we wait. |
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Originally Posted By Tigers1363: When scanning in the responsible party form, should I scan in the CLEO pages as well? And/or instructions? IE can I just scan in pages 1 & 2? Just the pertinent info. They don’t need the instructions, or the second copy of the same stuff. |
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Originally Posted By TommyCallahan: If I understand correctly, upon submitting the form, the ATF instructs me where to send my prints. (FYI, they will mail you fingerprint cards free of charge.) I am filing as an individual. Do I need to submit my eForm and pay before mailing a copy of the form pages to my CLEO? You’ll get a cover sheet to send in with the prints when you submit the form online. I’ll be part of the email you’ll get with a copy of the Form 1. That’s also when you’ll have the filled out CLEO copy to send mail off. I’m assuming you mention they’ll send cards for free as an FYI (which most everybody knows), and not assuming they automatically send them to you upon submission? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: You’ll get a cover sheet to send in with the prints when you submit the form online. I’ll be part of the email you’ll get with a copy of the Form 1. That’s also when you’ll have the filled out CLEO copy to send mail off. I’m assuming you mention they’ll send cards for free as an FYI (which most everybody knows), and not assuming they automatically send them to you upon submission? Okay, so I notify the CLEO when all is said and done, from my end, with the ATF. And yes, good clarification. You can request the FD-258 on the ATF website and they will mail them to you, no charge, to take to your fingerprint provider. When I did my Form 4 the local fingerprint lady (smalltown Alaska) provided the cards. |
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Originally Posted By d1b3: Do you have to sign the FD-258's when mailing them in? I did not sign mine  Did you roll them yourself and not sign them? Or did you have them done somewhere else and that person signed them? If they were done somewhere else, the person that takes them should’ve signed...and you don’t also need to sign. If there’s no signature at all, not sure if it’ll matter or not. Don’t recall anybody reporting it one way or the other. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: You’ll get a cover sheet to send in with the prints when you submit the form online. I’ll be part of the email you’ll get with a copy of the Form 1. That’s also when you’ll have the filled out CLEO copy to send mail off. I’m assuming you mention they’ll send cards for free as an FYI (which most everybody knows), and not assuming they automatically send them to you upon submission? I got no cover sheet, just a copy of the Form 1 with DRAFT watermark all over it. Print this and send it with prints to Atlanta? |
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Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073: I got no cover sheet, just a copy of the Form 1 with DRAFT watermark all over it. Print this and send it with prints to Atlanta? No. Did you actually pay, then submit and have it go to Submitted/In Process? Did you get a confirmation email for payment, and another one for submission? Where did you get the DRAFT watermark copy? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Did you roll them yourself and not sign them? Or did you have them done somewhere else and that person signed them? If they were done somewhere else, the person that takes them should’ve signed...and you don’t also need to sign. If there’s no signature at all, not sure if it’ll matter or not. Don’t recall anybody reporting it one way or the other. I went somewhere and had them done. The lady that took the prints signed them. I also noticed yesterday that the ORI info has the Ohio BCI filled in. I also got a copy of prints from silencer shop and the prints that silencer shop sent me had my signature on it from when I did a form can a few months ago, that is when I noticed the signature and was curious about it. I will update the thread to once I get approved or not. Thanks. |
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Originally Posted By Tigers1363: I want to SBS a pre 68 shotgun with no serial number. How should I approach that for the serial # spots on the forms? I think you’ll have to assign one and get it engraved, like you would with an 80% lower. But maybe somebody else knows for sure. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: No. Did you actually pay, then submit and have it go to Submitted/In Process? Did you get a confirmation email for payment, and another one for submission? Where did you get the DRAFT watermark copy? Yeah, I got a receipt from pay.gov email then an email from [email protected] with a draft attachment (pdf of Form 1), status is pending research. |
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Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073: Yeah, I got a receipt from pay.gov email then an email from [email protected] with a draft attachment (pdf of Form 1), status is pending research. Ok, the Pending Research status is the issue. You most likely got that because you checked the box and supplied a model or caliber that wasn’t in the dropdown. They’ll clear that in 24-72 hours (usually) and you’ll get another email when it goes into Submitted/In Process. That email will have a new copy of the F1 and the cover sheet. I did think the first one would’ve had a copy of the cover sheet, but without the proper bar code. But that was just going by what others reported. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Ok, the Pending Research status is the issue. You most likely got that because you checked the box and supplied a model or caliber that wasn’t in the dropdown. They’ll clear that in 24-72 hours (usually) and you’ll get another email when it goes into Submitted/In Process. That email will have a new copy of the F1 and the cover sheet. I did think the first one would’ve had a copy of the cover sheet, but without the proper bar code. But that was just going by what others reported. Thank you. I used "Ti" which was in the drop down menu (along with some hilarious other stuff) but could not get the exclamation icon to go away. At any rate I'll give it a few days, thanks again. |
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Originally Posted By JohnSmith6073: Thank you. I used "Ti" which was in the drop down menu (along with some hilarious other stuff) but could not get the exclamation icon to go away. At any rate I'll give it a few days, thanks again. It can also happen if you (incorrectly) put your name, or entity’s name) as the manufacturer. That, or putting the check in the box to enter your own info are the two main causes. |
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Originally Posted By DefenderAO: Is it going to be an issue my Trust Inventory page did not list my lower serial number in my efile? I was going to wait to add after approval. The Capital Armory video mentioned nothing of trueing up the inventory form with the Trust prior to submitting the efile Is the inventory page part of the trust itself? Or is it a separate document? I have a SS trust and will be doing my first eform 1 in the near future. At this point, all my NFA items are still pending form 4s...so I don’t have anything on the inventory sheet yet but In the future do I need to submit the inventory page with the trust with a current list of items stamps have been returned on? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: I think you'll have to assign one and get it engraved, like you would with an 80% lower. But maybe somebody else knows for sure. Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By Tigers1363: I want to SBS a pre 68 shotgun with no serial number. How should I approach that for the serial # spots on the forms? I think you'll have to assign one and get it engraved, like you would with an 80% lower. But maybe somebody else knows for sure. Exactly what BigWaylon wrote. Make up a serial number for your boom stick. Allowable character set is upper case letters, numerals 0-9, and hyphens. Get that engraved when you get your maker info engraved. Maker info can be in any of several places. SN must be on the receiver. Being the anal-retentive sort that I am, I wrote ATF a note explaining what I'd done. Looked like this: National Firearms Act Branch244 Needy Road Martinsburg, WV 25405 Re: Assignment of serial number to unserialized firearm To Whom It May Concern: This Stevens Model 311A shotgun has no factory serial number. It was manufactured in 1964, and thus pre-dates the serial number marking requirements of the Gun Control Act of 1968. I have assigned a unique serial number of SPROCKET-001 to this weapon for purposes of registration under the National Firearms Act. (I also included a photo of the manufacturer's date code on receiver) Sincerely; Sprocket99 Overkill? Probably. But it sailed right through without a hiccup. |
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Originally Posted By Sprocket99: Exactly what BigWaylon wrote. Make up a serial number for your boom stick. Allowable character set is upper case letters, numerals 0-9, and hyphens. Get that engraved when you get your maker info engraved. Maker info can be in any of several places. SN must be on the receiver. To expound on that just a bit. It must be comprised of Roman letters and Arabic numerals...your basic A-Z and 0-9. The only real rule after that is it must contain at least one numeral. So, it can be all numerals, or a alphanumeric mix, but it can’t be all alpha. |
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Originally Posted By d1b3: I went somewhere and had them done. The lady that took the prints signed them. I also noticed yesterday that the ORI info has the Ohio BCI filled in. I also got a copy of prints from silencer shop and the prints that silencer shop sent me had my signature on it from when I did a form can a few months ago, that is when I noticed the signature and was curious about it. I will update the thread to once I get approved or not. Thanks. Originally Posted By d1b3: Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Did you roll them yourself and not sign them? Or did you have them done somewhere else and that person signed them? If they were done somewhere else, the person that takes them should’ve signed...and you don’t also need to sign. If there’s no signature at all, not sure if it’ll matter or not. Don’t recall anybody reporting it one way or the other. I went somewhere and had them done. The lady that took the prints signed them. I also noticed yesterday that the ORI info has the Ohio BCI filled in. I also got a copy of prints from silencer shop and the prints that silencer shop sent me had my signature on it from when I did a form can a few months ago, that is when I noticed the signature and was curious about it. I will update the thread to once I get approved or not. Thanks. It was approved today without my signature on the fd-258 and the incorrect ORI info. Thanks again for this thread as it helped me out big time  |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Two cards total should be fine. Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By drscws: Submitted two form 1 for SBR ETA: Filed as Individual 4 total Fingerprint cards ( 2 for each cover letter) or will 2 Fingerprint cards suffice? Will be mailed in same envelope. Two cards total should be fine. Thanks! |
| My picture uploaded sideways and somewhat distorted looking. I guess I’ll find out if it works. Thanks for the write up, helped me out on a couple stumble points for my first form 1 |
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Originally Posted By kersty52: My picture uploaded sideways and somewhat distorted looking. I guess I'll find out if it works. Thanks for the write up, helped me out on a couple stumble points for my first form 1 |
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Originally Posted By brandon_: Just efiled to SBR my grumpy cat lower. They flagged the model not being in the list, being an "IHATEYOU-15". I got an email confirming submission but all that's attached in the 6 total pages with the form itself. No cover letter to send anything or anything about finger prints. I assume I'm waiting until they confirm this model and then I'll get another email? Yes. You should find your form in EForms under Pending Research. Once they clear it, it’ll move to Submitted/In Process and you’ll get another email which will have what you need attached. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Try this. 1. Create a blank .doc file 2. Upload blank file 3. Upload trust 4. Delete blank file Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By ElCoyote: So I'm filling out e file for a form 1 for a SBR and everything is going fine until trust uploading and it just quits after about 30 seconds and looks like nothing happened, PDF 2.1 MB with a MAC. Anyone have a clue? Try this. 1. Create a blank .doc file 2. Upload blank file 3. Upload trust 4. Delete blank file 1001 Thank You's!!! It had to be a .doc, not a .docx... but it worked
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We (wife and I) are trying to complete a Form 1 using Family Trust and are on the Responsible Persons section. The RPQ was changed from jpeg to pdf using SodaPDF and it is too large of a file (4 mb). Do we need to upload both pages? How do I get the scanned images into pdf that is a small enough file? We did try to compress the pdf and it went from 5078 to 5068 mb. Thank you! @BigWaylon |
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Originally Posted By : I think you break it up into multiple pages & multiple uploads, if I'm not mistaken. Don't know what we are doing wrong. Thanks backbencher |
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"The only reason after 243 years that the Government now wants to disarm you, is they intend to do something you would shoot them for."
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Originally Posted By amos1909: It is saying that a single page (3.68) is to large. It also will not allow us to do multiple uploads on the RPQ page. My wife is the computer savvy one in the home and she finally just quit. Don't know what we are doing wrong. Thanks backbencher Do you have a scanner? Or the Genius Scan app (or something similar)? There’s no reason you can’t get it small enough. My trust is >30 pages and is under 3MB. If you have a scanner, you might have to print it out and then rescan it. Make sure to choose B&W and a lower resolution. |
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Originally Posted By endofdays: i filled out my first form 1 for an sbr which is processing. whats the deal with the cover letter, does atf send me one or email me one? when do i send my prints in? thanks Once you submit it, you’ll get an email with a copy of the PDF attached. It will also have the cover sheet need to mail in the fingerprint cards. If you’re using an iDevice, the attachment won’t show up in the default Mail app. You’ll need to log into webmail using a browser, or use a laptop/desktop, or log into EForms and retrieve it. |
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