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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Once you submit it, you’ll get an email with a copy of the PDF attached. It will also have the cover sheet need to mail in the fingerprint cards. If you’re using an iDevice, the attachment won’t show up in the default Mail app. You’ll need to log into webmail using a browser, or use a laptop/desktop, or log into EForms and retrieve it. thanks |
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Originally Posted By precision40: How long does it normally take to remove the "DRAFT" watermark error on approved forms? It's been over 2 weeks and they have yet to fix it. Sent 2 messages via the "Ask the Experts" link and have not received any response. The only times I’ve had that happen were several years ago, and they got fixed within 48 hours. |
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Originally Posted By amos1909: We (wife and I) are trying to complete a Form 1 using Family Trust and are on the Responsible Persons section. The RPQ was changed from jpeg to pdf using SodaPDF and it is too large of a file (4 mb). Do we need to upload both pages? How do I get the scanned images into pdf that is a small enough file? We did try to compress the pdf and it went from 5078 to 5068 mb. Thank you! @BigWaylon Check your scanner settings/options. There should be an option to scan as a particular file type. Don't scan as a .jpg or .png (image files). Scan directly to .pdf. My trust is 17 pages. Scanned directly to .pdf at 200 dpi greyscale/B&W, it's 2.35 MB. |
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Originally Posted By Sprocket99: @amos1909 Check your scanner settings/options. There should be an option to scan as a particular file type. Don't scan as a .jpg or .png (image files). Scan directly to .pdf. My trust is 17 pages. Scanned directly to .pdf at 200 dpi greyscale/B&W, it's 2.35 MB. Thanks |
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| Any consensus on what should go in 4(h)? This is my first time going the efile route and with prior paper Form 1s I have had approved (as of the past few years), I put my first name, last name and city, state in that box as that is what I will be engraving on the lower receiver. Part of me says if it isn't broke, don't fix it, so I should continue to put information in there given I intend to engrave it as such. |
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Originally Posted By mdavis: Any consensus on what should go in 4(h)? This is my first time going the efile route and with prior paper Form 1s I have had approved (as of the past few years), I put my first name, last name and city, state in that box as that is what I will be engraving on the lower receiver. Part of my says if it isn't broke, don't fix it, so I should continue to put information in there given I intend to engrave it as such. That should be fine. Used to be whatever you put didn’t print out (but I always assumed they could see it). So I started leaving mine blank. But they changed the paper form since then and it requests the info that will be engraved. |
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I submitted EForm 1 October 24th and sent fingerprints in on the 26th. How will I know that they got the fingerprints? Thanks. |
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"The only reason after 243 years that the Government now wants to disarm you, is they intend to do something you would shoot them for."
"The only reason after 243 years that the Government now wants to disarm you, is they intend to do something you would shoot them for."
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Originally Posted By amos1909: I submitted EForm 1 October 24th and sent fingerprints in on the 26th. How will I know that they got the fingerprints? Thanks. If you sent it with tracking, then you’ll know. Otherwise...you won’t. It’s not updated anywhere in eForms and it doesn’t change the status. |
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Originally Posted By endofdays: this is my first form 1. just got an email from fbatfe that says returned without action. what does that mean? That means there was an issue that was never fixed. Any explanation attached? Maybe the last page? Possibly no fingerprints sent/received? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: That means there was an issue that was never fixed. Any explanation attached? Maybe the last page? Possibly no fingerprints sent/received? Got an email this morning saying its delayed due to them being busy/overloaded. Idk I have 7 stamps on form 4s and 2 pending |
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Originally Posted By endofdays: Got an email this morning saying its delayed due to them being busy/overloaded. Idk I have 7 stamps on form 4s and 2 pending Returned with no action isn’t even close to the same as delayed. If you log into EForms, is it still under Submitted? |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Returned with no action isn’t even close to the same as delayed. If you log into EForms, is it still under Submitted? yes. there has been no change on my atf efile profile since my check was cashed, it looks the same |
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@BigWaylon For each cover letter we're supposed to submit 2 finger print cards. If we're doing multiple Eform 1 at the same time, can we submit 5 cover letters with 2 finger print cards if we mail them in the same envelope instead of mailing 10 finger print cards for the 5 cover letters? On Eform 1 in the RPQ Section of the website where you have to attach the signed RPQ and your passport picture it asks for your SS#. On the Form 1 it says your SS# is not required, so if a SS# was not entered in that box on the website will it affect the submission from being approved? Lastly, is there any written guidance from the ATF on when the CLEO should be notified OR can the mailing to the CLEO be done at anytime up to and including after the forms are approved? Thanks |
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Originally Posted By FastCar: @BigWaylon 1. For each cover letter we're supposed to submit 2 finger print cards. If we're doing multiple Eform 1 at the same time, can we submit 5 cover letters with 2 finger print cards if we mail them in the same envelope instead of mailing 10 finger print cards for the 5 cover letters? 2. On Eform 1 in the RPQ Section of the website where you have to attach the signed RPQ and your passport picture it asks for your SS#. On the Form 1 it says your SS# is not required, so if a SS# was not entered in that box on the website will it affect the submission from being approved? 3. Lastly, is there any written guidance from the ATF on when the CLEO should be notified OR can the mailing to the CLEO be done at anytime up to and including after the forms are approved? Thanks 1. Two cards per RP in the same envelope with multiple cover sheets is fine. 2. Don’t know for sure. Never heard anybody report back on it either way. 3. The intent is to give local LEO time to notify the ATF if there are reasons it shouldn’t be approved. The form itself just says it needs to be sent. It also includes: Submission. The maker shall submit 2 complete forms (ATF copy and registrant copy) with original signatures to the NFA Division at the address on the face of the form. The applicant shall direct a 3rd complete copy of the form to the chief local law enforcement officer (CLEO) as provided in instruction 2g and item 10. I haven't seen anything that gives a specific timeline, but it’s generally accepted that you do it at the same time. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: 1. Two cards per RP in the same envelope with multiple cover sheets is fine. 2. Don’t know for sure. Never heard anybody report back on it either way. 3. The intent is to give local LEO time to notify the ATF if there are reasons it shouldn’t be approved. The form itself just says it needs to be sent. It also includes: Submission. The maker shall submit 2 complete forms (ATF copy and registrant copy) with original signatures to the NFA Division at the address on the face of the form. The applicant shall direct a 3rd complete copy of the form to the chief local law enforcement officer (CLEO) as provided in instruction 2g and item 10. I haven't seen anything that gives a specific timeline, but it’s generally accepted that you do it at the same time. @BigWaylon - FastCar asked me that same question in a different thread. In the CFR, it states that the CLEO notification must be submitted prior to submitting the application to the Director. While it isn't a "strict" timetable, it does mean the form has to be sent to the CLEO prior to the Form 1/4 hitting the examiners desk/computer. 27 CFR § 479.62 is for the application to make and 27 CFR § 479.84 is for the application to transfer Attached File |
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Originally Posted By firepyro515: @BigWaylon - FastCar asked me that same question in a different thread. In the CFR, it states that the CLEO notification must be submitted prior to submitting the application to the Director. While it isn't a "strict" timetable, it does mean the form has to be sent to the CLEO prior to the Form 1/4 hitting the examiners desk/computer. 27 CFR § 479.62 is for the application to make and 27 CFR § 479.84 is for the application to transfer https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/145596/479_62_JPG-1754997.JPG Yeah, I just saw your other thread. I’ll make a note if that in my head for the next time it comes up.  I do find it odd that 479.62 isn’t referenced on the Form 1 anywhere. But it’s in the 41F document 14 times. |
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I am embarking on this for the first time. So hopefully I got this straight! I submitted my F1 eform on Sunday. I printed out the 5320.23 form that was digitally submitted with my trust, Picture, etc on the reform. So I need to mail the copy of the 5320.23 to my Sheriff and also send the Cover letter, finger print cards (x2), and another printed version of the 5320.23 form to ATF. Is there anything else I am missing? This is for my M203. I am going to do an SBS next. |
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Originally Posted By JeredMD: I am embarking on this for the first time. So hopefully I got this straight! I submitted my F1 eform on Sunday. I printed out the 5320.23 form that was digitally submitted with my trust, Picture, etc on the reform. So I need to mail the copy of the 5320.23 to my Sheriff and also send the Cover letter, finger print cards (x2), and another printed version of the 5320.23 form to ATF. Is there anything else I am missing? This is for my M203. I am going to do an SBS next. You need to send the CLEO copies of the Form 1 and the 5320.23 RPQ to the CLEO you put on the forms (no actual requirement you used the same one on both, but is bet most people do). You don’t send anything to the ATF except the cover sheet and FP cards. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: You need to send the CLEO copies of the Form 1 and the 5320.23 RPQ to the CLEO you put on the forms (no actual requirement you used the same one on both, but is bet most people do). You don’t send anything to the ATF except the cover sheet and FP cards. ahh okay, that makes more sense. Thank you for clearing that up for me! |
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Just wanted to say thanks for answering misc questions I’ve asked in the last 2 months On here.. @BigWaylon Just got my first efile back approved without a hassle. Not to bad, had this thread open while filling it out. Had more problems with the system then anything. Owe ya a beer or 10
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Signed and submitted my eForm 1 - kicks me back to the homepage logged out. When I log back in, my Form 1 is still under Drafts and there is nothing about it being submitted or anything. What's weird is that I received an email confirmation for the $200 payment almost instantaneously, but still haven't received any email with the cover letter everyone is talking about. What gives? |
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Signed and submitted my eForm 1 - kicks me back to the homepage logged out. When I log back in, my Form 1 is still under Drafts and there is nothing about it being submitted or anything. What's weird is that I received an email confirmation for the $200 payment almost instantaneously, but still haven't received any email with the cover letter everyone is talking about. What gives? Open it back up and go to the last tab. See if the Submit button is now clickable (Pay should be greyed out now). Paying isn’t the final step. Submitting is...and that’s when you’ll get the second email. Wasn’t exactly clear if you’d done both. Hopefully you had the green bar at the top and not the yellow warning...else you’re headed for Pending Research. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Open it back up and go to the last tab. See if the Submit button is now clickable (Pay should be greyed out now). Paying isn't the final step. Submitting is...and that's when you'll get the second email. Wasn't exactly clear if you'd done both. Hopefully you had the green bar at the top and not the yellow warning...else you're headed for Pending Research. Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: Signed and submitted my eForm 1 - kicks me back to the homepage logged out. When I log back in, my Form 1 is still under Drafts and there is nothing about it being submitted or anything. What's weird is that I received an email confirmation for the $200 payment almost instantaneously, but still haven't received any email with the cover letter everyone is talking about. What gives? Open it back up and go to the last tab. See if the Submit button is now clickable (Pay should be greyed out now). Paying isn't the final step. Submitting is...and that's when you'll get the second email. Wasn't exactly clear if you'd done both. Hopefully you had the green bar at the top and not the yellow warning...else you're headed for Pending Research. So weird - I tried it again this afternoon and it worked this time - finally went through and is showing as submitted now. Also got the email with cover letter and form copies. |
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Ok...I just have to share this. For those of you that have been around for several years, you ought to get a good chuckle out of it. I submitted a Form 1 through EForms on 1/12/21. Right after I did it, I saw an error. I’d reused a 5320.23 from a previous paper Form 4, and when I made updates to it I missed the check box at the top. Now, in the big scheme of things that shouldn’t make a bit of difference. All the actual info is correct. So, I immediately sent a question using Ask The Experts, to see if it would cause a Disapproval. In the meantime, I tried to upload a new one (because I’d uploaded docs after submission in the past, prior to the post-41F version), but it wouldn’t take. So I assumed that no longer worked. Lo and behold, I get a reply to my AtE question today...exactly a month later. He says I can upload docs in the Electronic Documents section and hit Save. I tried it, and nothing. Replied to the email to say it wasn’t working, and attached a copy of the corrected PDF in case he could do it for me. So then I remembered the advice I’ve given for 6+ years...upload a blank page first. Sure enough, it worked and saved. I checked email again and got this reply: Might try while using a different web browser. Could also try uploading a single blank page and try saving that first. I have had that work for people many times. To which I replied: In all seriousness...where did you hear about the blank page? As far as I know, I’m the one that figured it out years ago. I’m BigWaylon on AR15 and had a how-to thread people have used for years. :) and then he said: A co-worker told me about the blank page thing. I’ve helped with the ask the expert page for about a year now and it was just one of those things that came with the training. If you did figure that out it sure has helped a lot of people over the years. Just found it funny that my solution came back full circle. Now, somebody else could’ve figured that at out at some point...but I know I shared it back in the 2014-2015 timeframe.
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Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I feel like this is a dumb question, but for the CLEO Copies - am I just stuffing these in an envelope and mailing them to my CLEO? The don't need any kind of note or explanation - they'll just know what it is and what to do with it? Correct. Instructions are on the form. If they can’t figure it out, hopefully they just trash it. I fold mine in thirds, stuff it in a regular envelope, and stick a forever stamp on it. Not worried a bit about tracking, or if it ever actually gets there. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Correct. Instructions are on the form. If they can't figure it out, hopefully they just trash it. I fold mine in thirds, stuff it in a regular envelope, and stick a forever stamp on it. Not worried a bit about tracking, or if it ever actually gets there. Originally Posted By BigWaylon: Originally Posted By wayfaerer320: I feel like this is a dumb question, but for the CLEO Copies - am I just stuffing these in an envelope and mailing them to my CLEO? The don't need any kind of note or explanation - they'll just know what it is and what to do with it? Correct. Instructions are on the form. If they can't figure it out, hopefully they just trash it. I fold mine in thirds, stuff it in a regular envelope, and stick a forever stamp on it. Not worried a bit about tracking, or if it ever actually gets there. Thanks! |
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Need some help to see if I screwed up my first Form 1's This is 2 Form 1's with a trust for 2 Colt lowers. Under block 4a it asks for name and address of original manufacturer. I used the provided drop down menus and it came up with Colt, United States. On the 5320.23 responsible persons form I used Colt Defense. Hartford Connecticut 06110. I'm mostly concerned with the Colt, United States as all of my Form 4's have a city and state. I haven't submitted my prints yet as this was submitted last night. What do you think? 
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Originally Posted By wakebrdr142: Need some help to see if I screwed up my first Form 1's This is 2 Form 1's with a trust for 2 Colt lowers. Under block 4a it asks for name and address of original manufacturer. I used the provided drop down menus and it came up with Colt, United States. On the 5320.23 responsible persons form I used Colt Defense. Hartford Connecticut 06110. I'm mostly concerned with the Colt, United States as all of my Form 4's have a city and state. I haven't submitted my prints yet as this was submitted last night. What do you think? https://i.ibb.co/mywph15/f1.jpg Not an issue. That’s just how EForms does it. |
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Originally Posted By mustangfreek: Just wanted to say thanks for answering misc questions I’ve asked in the last 2 months On here.. @BigWaylon Just got my first efile back approved without a hassle. Not to bad, had this thread open while filling it out. Had more problems with the system then anything. Owe ya a beer or 10 I just did the same thing today. Had this page open and filled in the form, triple checked everything, printed out my cover sheet and CLEO copy and just dropped them off the two mail packets in the mail. Thanks @BigWaylon for setting up this visual page and others for their comments. I read through the whole thing and was super useful. |
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@BigWaylon Thank you for the time and effort you have put into this; it was an invaluable resource when going through the Form 1 process. I also appreciate your willingness to answer my question when I goofed on the name. |
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When I do the responsible persons form it said to affix a picture on the form? What was the purpose of uploading the picture or do I not have to affix a picture with the upload. I take it I print out 2 of the responsible person form and then sign it and rescan it and upload it to the efile. One copy goes to CLEO which thy said don't put your SS number? Do I send a picture to the CLEO as well? Do I send a finger print card to CLEO? Also do I put SBR or Short Barrel Rifle? Thanks and sorry for so many questions I have been trying to follow the efile sticky but I am dense apparently |
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I just submitted my first Efile form 1. The web sight was already glitchy and kept locking up and logging me out. I was able to successfully complete and submit it, but upon reviewing the document from the email I noticed a couple of errors. I included my street address in the main address box, not in 3c, and under H I did not include my makers name, and J did not check the box for firearm. With the way it was glitching I just missed those. Any idea if that can be corrected without rejecting my application? Everything submitted normally and payment was processed? |
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Okay @BigWaylon I have a question I cant find the answer to. On the RPQ is the maker me, or the trust ( box 4b ) ? I may have others as I read and work on it. I think I have every thing correct except this part. |
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Originally Posted By IAm4: Okay @BigWaylon I have a question I cant find the answer to. On the RPQ is the maker me, or the trust ( box 4b ) ? I may have others as I read and work on it. I think I have every thing correct except this part. What did you put on the Form 1? It’s generally going to be the name engraved on the firearm (for example, who made AR lower you’re turning into an SBR?), or the trust name if starting with an 80% lower, solvent trap, etc. If you’re asking about it for a Form 4, it’ll be the manufacturer/maker that created the firearm. It’s definitely not you…but in some circumstances it will be the trust. But it’s usually an existing company. |
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Originally Posted By BigWaylon: What did you put on the Form 1? It’s generally going to be the name engraved on the firearm (for example, who made AR lower you’re turning into an SBR?), or the trust name if starting with an 80% lower, solvent trap, etc. If you’re asking about it for a Form 4, it’ll be the manufacturer/maker that created the firearm. It’s definitely not you…but in some circumstances it will be the trust. But it’s usually an existing company. its a trust for a silencer, so I will put the trust name. Thanks |
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Excellent guide! I'm gearing up for two SBR Form1's, one now and one in a few weeks. The Responsible person area is different than last time, mid 2021. When adding missing information you have to click to the right under actions "Edit Line Item". Default only shows Title, F and L name, State, City, Street, DOB, Sex and Race. You can't edit them on the main screen as seen in your updated photos old Attached File new 
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Originally Posted By Brandonbeezy: About to do my first nfa. I have a question about the serial number. My lower is an armalite M15 with the Pegasus engraving. Serial number is PGS-0001XX Do I exclude "PGS-" Negative The "PGS" is part of the serial number. So you would enter "PGS-0001XX" Exactly as it is on the lower is my understanding |
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Originally Posted By Brandonbeezy: About to do my first nfa. I have a question about the serial number. My lower is an armalite M15 with the Pegasus engraving. Serial number is PGS-0001XX Do I exclude "PGS-" No. You just said it's part of the serial number. |
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Visual Guide: How to Fill out a Form 1 using EForms (Page 5 of 6)
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