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Posted: 10/24/2010 11:42:54 PM EDT
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Quick question: I have already sent in my form 1 (SBR) paperwork about a month ago. I completed the Form 1 as an individual, not a trust. I recently had my lower engraved with my first name initial, middle name initial, complete last name, city and state.
For Example: JD Smith Anytown, OH I read on another post that the BATF was no longer excepting initials on lower engravings? Who can I have verify this? Have I met BATF requirements with my current engravings? Do I need to contact BATF and attempt to have them reply with a written statement? Do I need to have my lower engraved again with my complete first and middle names? I just want to make sure that I am in the clear here. I don't want any trouble over something as minor as engraving initials instead of a full name. Any information would be greatly appreciated. |
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I would just give the feds a call today and ask EXACTLY what they want. I do believe however that you will be ok, here is a site i found. http://www.orion-arms.com/atf-requirements/what-is-required-by-the-atf-for-sbr-engraving-2.html Get it in writing. Call one day to the next, and if you get an answer odds are it will be different each day. Engrave your full name and call it good |
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FWIW, ATF policy is an evolving process.
Once Upon A Time (actually, prior to the acknowledgement a few years ago that Trusts were acceptable NFA ownership vehicles), abbreviations of first or middle names were commonly used. AFAIK, ATF never objected. Then, once trusts were accepted by ATF, folks started posting on internet forums about how they created the Joe N. Blow Revokable Living Trust of Anywhere, Florida, and then engraved "JNBRLT/AW FL" on their NFA items. News flash: ATF reads these forums. And so ATF started requiring trusts to engrave the entire trust name on the firearm. It seems the second shoe has now dropped, and ATF now also wants individual Form 1 filers to also engrave their entire first name as well as the last name. We have met the enemy, and he is us. Also FWIW, I only know of two instances where ATF got involved in engraving issues. Both were for Form 1'd MGs, back when it was legal to Form 1 a machine gun. And in both cases, the Form 1 applicants had not bothered to engrave anything at all on their new MGs. The results: ––In one case, where the applicant was not aware of the engraving requirement (this was before Al Gore invented the internet), ATF handed him a written notice that gave him 60 days to get the firearm engraved and submit photographic proof to the ATF office listed on the notice. He did so, sent it in, and never heard anything from ATF again. ––In the second case, where the applicant got into a shouting match with ATF because he believed he was not required by law to engrave, they seized his MG ... and about 6+ months later, shipped it back to him, engraved by Tech Branch. I am not an attorney and this is not legal advice ... but I simply cannot conceive of a situation where improper engraving is a prosecutable offense. Worst case, ATF might take it and re-engrave it for ya ... but no jury in the world is going to convict anyone for incorrect engraving. Well, maybe in New York or Mass., but really ... It is in every NFA owner's best interest to comply with the law, including engraving regs, to the best of their abilities ... but really, unless you do something to really piss off ATF, you're not going to jail or permanently losing your gun. Again, just my take. YMMV. 
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I screwed up to, Initial for first name, wish the engraver would have said something, they kind of should know the in's and out's. But hey, is the ATF going to burn my house down because my lower is missing 3 letters? Doubt it, I don't let it worry me. the engraver doesn't know what your legal name is or what you put on your Form 1 |
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I screwed up to, Initial for first name, wish the engraver would have said something, they kind of should know the in's and out's. But hey, is the ATF going to burn my house down because my lower is missing 3 letters? Doubt it, I don't let it worry me. the engraver doesn't know what your legal name is or what you put on your Form 1 Typically you do the engraving before you file the Form 1, in case the engraver messes up... Also, if you use an engraver that isn't an FFL/SOT (like a local jeweler) they're not going to know the ATF regs. They'll just mark the gun per your instructions. |
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I screwed up to, Initial for first name, wish the engraver would have said something, they kind of should know the in's and out's. But hey, is the ATF going to burn my house down because my lower is missing 3 letters? Doubt it, I don't let it worry me. the engraver doesn't know what your legal name is or what you put on your Form 1 Typically you do the engraving before you file the Form 1, in case the engraver messes up... Also, if you use an engraver that isn't an FFL/SOT (like a local jeweler) they're not going to know the ATF regs. They'll just mark the gun per your instructions. According to the ATF you are supposed to engrave AFTER your form 1 has been approved, again per what they told me over the phone. YMMV. |
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According to the ATF you are supposed to engrave AFTER your form 1 has been approved, again per what they told me over the phone. YMMV. Most people engrave before the form is filed, so that if the engraver messes it up, or UPS loses the package, you're only out a $100 lower, and not a $300 registered SBR lower. Either way doesn't matter, so long as it's engraved before you assemble the gun into an SBR configuration. |
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I screwed up to, Initial for first name, wish the engraver would have said something, they kind of should know the in's and out's. But hey, is the ATF going to burn my house down because my lower is missing 3 letters? Doubt it, I don't let it worry me. the engraver doesn't know what your legal name is or what you put on your Form 1 Typically you do the engraving before you file the Form 1, in case the engraver messes up... Also, if you use an engraver that isn't an FFL/SOT (like a local jeweler) they're not going to know the ATF regs. They'll just mark the gun per your instructions. According to the ATF you are supposed to engrave AFTER your form 1 has been approved, again per what they told me over the phone. YMMV. Have to call BS on that. You can engrave anything you want on your lower any time you want. |
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I screwed up to, Initial for first name, wish the engraver would have said something, they kind of should know the in's and out's. But hey, is the ATF going to burn my house down because my lower is missing 3 letters? Doubt it, I don't let it worry me. the engraver doesn't know what your legal name is or what you put on your Form 1 Typically you do the engraving before you file the Form 1, in case the engraver messes up... Also, if you use an engraver that isn't an FFL/SOT (like a local jeweler) they're not going to know the ATF regs. They'll just mark the gun per your instructions. According to the ATF you are supposed to engrave AFTER your form 1 has been approved, again per what they told me over the phone. YMMV. Have to call BS on that. You can engrave anything you want on your lower any time you want. Go ahead call BS. I'm just telling you what the ATF told ME on the phone. In the same breath they also mentioned to leave 4h blank which is another highly debated topic. Approved in about 70 days. Again YMMV. |
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Go ahead call BS. I'm just telling you what the ATF told ME on the phone. In the same breath they also mentioned to leave 4h blank which is another highly debated topic. Approved in about 70 days. Again YMMV. ask 10 different ATF agents the same question via telephone and get 72 different answers .. 
You can engrave ANYTHING you want on your gun at ANYTIME you want to! 
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Go ahead call BS. I'm just telling you what the ATF told ME on the phone. In the same breath they also mentioned to leave 4h blank which is another highly debated topic. Approved in about 70 days. Again YMMV. ask 10 different ATF agents the same question via telephone and get 72 different answers ..
You can engrave ANYTHING you want on your gun at ANYTIME you want to! I doubt you're actually talking to ATF agents via telephone; you're most likely speaking to Legal Instruments Examiners at NFA Branch |
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