Posted: 11/26/2005 10:26:49 AM EDT
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For the price, is there a better option for a fighting 1911 with a light rail than the Kimber Warrior? I'm not looking for a full-house custom, airtight collector's item safe queen, but a sidearm that will get 5000 rounds or so through it every year and keep asking for more, will be sweated on in the summertime and worn under a sweater and a leather jacket in the wintertime. Anyone with experience have any useful comments? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Woohoo! I just got my brand new Sprinfield Armory MC Operator today. It is the heat. I should have a range report for you by this weekend. |
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I have an MC Operator I purchased for $919. I have shot about 1000 rounds and it seems to hold up fine. I use the factory magazines, a couple of Novaks, a couple of McCormicks, a couple of |
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I'd get the Kimber. I had a bad experience with an SA Loaded. Every manufacturer puts out lemons though. So this isn't based on any "facts" of any kind, just a personal opinion. Also, isn't the Warrior the copy of what the MEU SOC uses? That would be another reason for picking the Kimber. My everyday, shoot a lot, get sweated on and carried a lot pistol(s) is my CQB and Kobra Carry though  . They're expensive and custom, but they're working gals.
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The Warrior is a copy of the DET-1 pistol. The MEU(SOC) guys are using Springfield Armory Professionals. |
Thanks for the clarification. What's the difference between those two units? I thought that the Marine Expeditionary Unit attached to Special Operations Command WAS Detachment-1?? And I thought they were using the Warrior. |
That is incorrect. The MEU(SOC) guys are using left over USGI frames, Springfield slides, Nolwin barrels, Brown grip safety, King's thumb safety, C&S hammer/sear/disconnect, Videki trigger,Novak sights and Wilson 7 round magazines. They are built by the 2112 armorers at PWS, Quantico. |
I can answer this one. Det 1 is the Marine Corps contribution to SOCOM. It's detached from the rest of the USMC command structure and tasked directly by SOCOM. A MEU(SOC) is a Marine Expeditionary Unit (Special Operations Capable). A MEU can be any size and composition of Marine units, but it's not part of Special Operations Command. |
Nope, tons of threads on 1911Forums about the MEU(SOC) guys getting the Professionals recently. |
Your search sills must be better than mine (not uncommon). I found the thread that announces the contract, but the last post in that thread was in June. There is another thread that discussed it but, like the first, hasn't been active in a while with no field reports. Are you sure they have actually been deployed? BTW... I had forgotten about the Pro winning that contract so you are right about that. I would like to know if they have actually been deployed and how they are working out. |
Thank you very much! At any rate, at least they're using 1911s . Smart guys  .
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I have seen both MEUSOC pistols made by Kimber, and springfield. |
I think Pat Rogers (may have been someone else) said the guys that have 'em loved 'em. |
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Another vote for the MC Operator. Between it and the Kimber is probably personal preference. Mine has been totally reliable and its nearing the 2,000 round mark rapidly. Eats all ammo. I did the trigger on mine myself, the factory trigger did leave something to be desired but I'm of the opinion that both Kimber and Springfield triggers are usually just a good starting place. Both guns are pricey but you see where the money goes. I don't think I'd trade in my MC Operator for the Kimber, but if I had decided on the Kimber I'd probably be saying the same thing, ya know? They both have good reputations. Edit to add teh pron:  
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Ditto! I want an MC Operator in a bad, bad way. There were three different vendors selling them at a local gunshow yesterday for $899... had to have the girlfriend hold my wallet for me.
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I'd go with the Operator. TRP, or the MC in the Warrior's price range. I aboslutely hate the Pachmyr grips, and the green would have to go as well. I wish SA offered the MC in black with wood grips. Or even better, just bring back the Loaded Operator they foolishly killed off. 
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Between the guns that are being discussed, I have the hots for the MC Operator, so that would get my vote. There is another option... I'm assuming you don't want a hi-cap 1911 (Para Nite Tac) but according to their new 2006 catalog they will be offering their single stack 1911s with rails. paraord.com/pages/catalog.html You have to DL it, but then you get to see all the pretty pictures!
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| I agree that those Pachmyr grips on the MC Operator are ugly, and I've been looking and looking for something to replace them with. Yet, by the same token, they are always grippy even when the gun is wet or my hands are sweaty. There's something to be said for that in a combat handgun, ya know? |
No, no, no, you dont give up a Sig for a 1911. You SAVE for a 1911 while you keep the Sig.
Guess that's why the Marines use 'em on theirs 
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I'm trying. The Sig points nice and shoots terrific, but it's been relegated to the safe for no reason other than it's a double action. After joining the 1911 clab again, nothing makes me happy but an SA first shot. You spotted those on the website, didja?  If I can scratch the money, he'll get it the next day.
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If you're asking me:  It's called the Desert Dweller/Ultimate Warrior: -Golfball frontstrap and MSH w/integrated lanyard loop by Chuck Rogers -Cylinder and Slide fire control group -trigger adjusted to 4lbs -CMC grip safety -genuine Novak rear w/tritium -Wilson extractor, firing pin, firing pin stop -spare tool steel slide stop -Simonich Gunner grips -every part fitted for reliability -beadblasted and refinished in KG GunKote British Brown -supplied with 2 Wilson Combat 8 round mags by pistolsmith Mike O'hara (four-two-five) four one seven-5952 |
Still has that pesky Schwartz safety though. |
. Ive had the usual "shoots low" problem and sent it back. Other than that its functioned flawlessly.
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Have you given consideration to any of the more custom railed guns, Jarhead_22? I just hefted a Nighthawk custom on Friday and pretty much fell in love. The Warrior's up there on my list of railed guns but I'm thinking about the more pricey alternatives too. This is just a long winded way of saying "tag"
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I've ordered a Steel Challege Special from Bladetech for 64.95 for my Operator w/ x200a. Cost is 64.95 if you order from BT themselves. They are on back order for 6 weeks as of last week however. Numerous colors available, as well as their drop/offset attachment. I've had good experiences with their other holsters, but not with this one. Hope this helps... |
