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Posted: 12/16/2017 7:45:50 PM EDT
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Now factory coated in FDE even. Same price, same warranty, same everything. Flat dark earth! http://www.primaryarms.com/MD-RB-AD-FDE http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MD-RB-AD-FDEonAK.jpg Merry Christmas, Arfcommers!   
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Posted: 12/16/2017 7:57:02 PM EDT
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I wish they would blacken their logo like the T1/2 APs |
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Posted: 12/16/2017 9:53:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Soooo, "wolf gray" by end of January? |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 1:57:40 AM EDT
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X2.......got mine today and I am extremely impressed with its build quality. Glass is great, the housing seems to be built like a tank, and ill go out there and say that the brightness rotary knob has more positive clicks than my T2. Basically, at $69.99 (blem) the dam thing was a STEAL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Mine came today and it exceeded my expectations by a long shot. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 1:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Logo on mine is not blacked out completely, but not white. Its a dark grey |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 2:06:36 AM EDT
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The logo on mine is also a grey shade. Better than most of the neon white that seems to be the norm these days.
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Posted: 12/17/2017 2:07:59 AM EDT
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Put my blem on my 11.5" pistol, above it is my 14.5" carbine. The pistol is kind of my backup to the 14.5, which is still probably my favorite configuration, and wears an Aimpoint R1.
This new micro is really pretty impressive. I have one of the old 1k hr battery life PA micros, and while I haven't had any issues with it, it feels cheap. This thing feels way more solid, and if it holds up to initial testing I'd have a hard time justifying 3-4x the money for an Aimpoint unless it was on a duty gun, and even then it'd be tough.  Attached File |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 6:52:45 PM EDT
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Somebody needs to make a T1 level durability sight with pricing closer to the PRO and with a warranty that inspires confidence. It's just that Aimpoint has us over the barrel and they know it, so they price it in kidney territory.  I got a bunch of Aimpoints of varying types, but that's just the way it is. Prices should come down as various competitors get good track records. Definitely want to give one of these a try though. |
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Posted: 12/17/2017 11:41:14 PM EDT
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They do, it's called the T1 . It's just that Aimpoint has us over the barrel and they know it, so they price it in kidney territory. I got a bunch of Aimpoints of varying types, but that's just the way it is. Prices should come down as various competitors get good track records. Definitely want to give one of these a try though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody needs to make a T1 level durability sight with pricing closer to the PRO and with a warranty that inspires confidence. It's just that Aimpoint has us over the barrel and they know it, so they price it in kidney territory. I got a bunch of Aimpoints of varying types, but that's just the way it is. Prices should come down as various competitors get good track records. Definitely want to give one of these a try though. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:05:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How when the T1 is $200 more? |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:30:59 AM EDT
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I'm a leap before looking type of guy. How bad did I fuck up by removing the Phillips screw? I just got mine and proceeded to yank all screws from the short mount. Then I read the instruction manual. It says "may" cause problems. I assume there is some sort of seal or something.  Your nitrogen purging is probably gone, that's the port for it, which means your internal fogproofing won't be as good, and it's likely moisture will get into the unit at this point. Welp, that's what the lifetime warranty is for, if you have issues just send it into us, we can re-purge it for you and make it good to go again. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:41:01 AM EDT
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I'm a leap before looking type of guy. How bad did I fuck up by removing the Phillips screw? I just got mine and proceeded to yank all screws from the short mount. Then I read the instruction manual. It says "may" cause problems. I assume there is some sort of seal or something. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 11:55:00 AM EDT
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Can someone who has used both, compare a Holosun to this PA sight? I need to replace my T1 on a Glock, and I'm looking for the clearest and most durable sight between the two. Thanks.
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Posted: 12/18/2017 12:11:39 PM EDT
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have one of the older PA microdots, happy with it, no issues for past few years.
if i didnt have one, id have no problem getting one of those blems, especially since i dont see that as a blem, and the price is near impossible to beat. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 12:48:49 PM EDT
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Can someone who has used both, compare a Holosun to this PA sight? I need to replace my T1 on a Glock, and I'm looking for the clearest and most durable sight between the two. Thanks. Photo of me with the new FDE version on my SBR, just because I'm vain (sorry) and also to show off how nicely the FDE matches Magpul furniture. 
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Posted: 12/18/2017 1:08:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both. Of course I'm a biased source, hopefully more guys chime in besides an employee of the company. I think the new MD-RB-AD is, apples to apples, a better sight than our Holosun-made MD-ADS. Is it better enough that I'm going to put my trusty old MD-ADS up on the equipment exchange or give it to a friend for Christmas? No, I'm keeping it. It's an evolutionary improvement, not a revolutionary change. If you look at the statistics, the specifications, they are pretty similar. But the new one should be tougher, I think it's more solidly built. We left out the whiz-bang wowee features like motion sensors, solar panels, and that stuff, in favor of building a tougher sight that does the same basic job. Photo of me with the new FDE version on my SBR, just because I'm vain (sorry) and also to show off how nicely the FDE matches Magpul furniture.
http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MikeFDEmicrodotWallpaper.jpg |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 1:17:59 PM EDT
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think hes implying PRO money is where the T1 should be priced Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How when the T1 is $200 more? The T1 is probably a 500.00 optic. The T2 is a 600.00 optic, max. I have paid for two Larue combos brand new, and they're pricey. Over the life of the optic 600.00 vs 800.00 may be incidental. I will say if AP brought prices down a bit and developed a 25mm "micro", it would further differentiate them as an option. |
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Posted: 12/18/2017 2:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have both. Of course I'm a biased source, hopefully more guys chime in besides an employee of the company. I think the new MD-RB-AD is, apples to apples, a better sight than our Holosun-made MD-ADS. Is it better enough that I'm going to put my trusty old MD-ADS up on the equipment exchange or give it to a friend for Christmas? No, I'm keeping it. It's an evolutionary improvement, not a revolutionary change. If you look at the statistics, the specifications, they are pretty similar. But the new one should be tougher, I think it's more solidly built. We left out the whiz-bang wowee features like motion sensors, solar panels, and that stuff, in favor of building a tougher sight that does the same basic job. Photo of me with the new FDE version on my SBR, just because I'm vain (sorry) and also to show off how nicely the FDE matches Magpul furniture.
http://primaryarmsoptics.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/MikeFDEmicrodotWallpaper.jpg |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 12:28:20 AM EDT
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Dammit packingXDs, I wrote that manual for a reason. It even says "STOP: READ THIS FIRST" right on the front. Your nitrogen purging is probably gone, that's the port for it, which means your internal fogproofing won't be as good, and it's likely moisture will get into the unit at this point. Welp, that's what the lifetime warranty is for, if you have issues just send it into us, we can re-purge it for you and make it good to go again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm a leap before looking type of guy. How bad did I fuck up by removing the Phillips screw? I just got mine and proceeded to yank all screws from the short mount. Then I read the instruction manual. It says "may" cause problems. I assume there is some sort of seal or something. Your nitrogen purging is probably gone, that's the port for it, which means your internal fogproofing won't be as good, and it's likely moisture will get into the unit at this point. Welp, that's what the lifetime warranty is for, if you have issues just send it into us, we can re-purge it for you and make it good to go again.
Figured I shot myself in the foot. Good to know you guys will take care of idiots like me. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 3:00:54 PM EDT
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Don't know that I saw this posted earlier in the thread but I was looking around today and found these in case anyone is still interested in the blems:
FDE blems |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 3:10:54 PM EDT
[#21]
Got another one! In FDE too!!! Thanks for the heads up!
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Posted: 12/19/2017 5:06:51 PM EDT
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Should the NV1 and NV2 settings be visible to the naked eye? I'm assuming not. Some guys on another forum mentioned this, and sure enough I can see the red dot on both night vision settings on both of the 'blems' I received. I don't plan on using NV, but I'm wondering if these are really more "blem" than they say?
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Posted: 12/19/2017 5:13:57 PM EDT
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Should the NV1 and NV2 settings be visible to the naked eye? I'm assuming not. Some guys on another forum mentioned this, and sure enough I can see the red dot on both night vision settings on both of the 'blems' I received. I don't plan on using NV, but I'm wondering if these are really more "blem" than they say? |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 5:16:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unfortunately, it looks like N1 and N2 can be visible to the naked eye on both the blems and the "regular" models. That's unplanned and not what we were expecting when I wrote the user manual. But the emitters on these optics are identical for all the models, meaning that this issue is also identical for all the models, sadly. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 5:28:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I don't have night vision and don't really plan on it, but I guess if I did this model would not work properly?
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:00:37 PM EDT
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How many guys in the real world use $70-150 optics with NV worth a $1-3K? JW
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:21:40 PM EDT
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How many guys in the real world use $70-150 optics with NV worth a $1-3K? JW |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:22:21 PM EDT
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How many guys in the real world use $70-150 optics with NV worth a $1-3K? JW
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's not really the point. I don't think it's malicious, but it looks like the capabilities of a few of their micro dots are just incorrect on their site. These weren't blems because the NV didn't really work, they were blems because the holes were drilled incorrectly. And per their own admission, even the $150 red dot uses the same emitter and would have the same problem. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:33:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not malicious, believe me. We were told the night vision would not be visible to the naked eye, but that's not what we are seeing in the production units. A solution is being discussed and will be implemented, but it's not something that happens overnight, since we became aware of this issue, uh... this week. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:47:36 PM EDT
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So just to be clear, the night vision settings on PA optics aren't really useable night vision settings?
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Posted: 12/19/2017 6:55:17 PM EDT
[#32]
Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser.
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:04:30 PM EDT
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So just to be clear, the night vision settings on PA optics aren't really useable night vision settings? |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:38:31 PM EDT
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For the price I paid for the blem and the overall quality, for my application, winnnnnninggggg
Thanks for a great buy PA 
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:57:52 PM EDT
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Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 7:59:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are usable but depending on application might damage the optic over time. For that reason I would say no-go. At a minimum, use extreme caution and know what your application is before putting a NV optic behind the MD-RB-AD series of red dots. The older MD-ADS will be fine though, that one is made in a different factory and does not have this issue. red dot? Are the night vision settings good? |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:03:04 PM EDT
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Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser. 
who said anything about serious use??? The only reason I bought this thing was to be able to use it on my 22, and move the aimpoint to my hd carbine. No way I buy this dot if Primary Arms doesn't advertise it as having NV settings, been pissed at myself for falling for this since I it took it out of the box. Gonna try to return it tomorrow, been putting off dealing with them since it arrived, glad I waited since the defect has been acknowledged by them now. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:25:43 PM EDT
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Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 10:50:32 PM EDT
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I got mine today and I am amazed at the quality of it for what I paid. I just wish I would have bought another one before they were gone. I might just have to get the FDE one instead dang it.
and yes I can also see the two night vision settings with the naked eye but I don't care because I have no plans on using night vision and hell they might be better for low light conditions. and I have astigmatism and without my glasses, the dot is a bit of a starburst but not bad compared to other red dots I own. it is still very usable and with my glasses on its almost a perfect dot so I am a very happy camper thanks, PA. |
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Posted: 12/19/2017 11:18:28 PM EDT
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yes...actually this thing will be great for low light, however I bought it because I had heard good things about Primary Arms and they were saying these had NV settings, so I took the bait ...
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Posted: 12/19/2017 11:32:43 PM EDT
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Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 12:57:53 AM EDT
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Well shit I ordered a tan one to see what the fuss is all about. Just got a holosun for the glock so this will probably end up on my 556 SBR.
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:22:32 AM EDT
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Who uses the optic for NV in an y serious use? Get a helmet and IR laser. You also have the option to use your LAM too. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:23:49 AM EDT
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Well shit I ordered a tan one to see what the fuss is all about. Just got a holosun for the glock so this will probably end up on my 556 SBR. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:28:17 AM EDT
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Let me know what you think between the two. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well shit I ordered a tan one to see what the fuss is all about. Just got a holosun for the glock so this will probably end up on my 556 SBR. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:34:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll try and remember to make a thread. Why are you getting rid of your aimpoint? |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:58:08 AM EDT
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Not getting rid of it, just moved it to my truck gun. Having an aimpoint on a pistol that I shoot a few times a year didn't make sense. I still want something reliable, but don't need another aimpoint. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I'll try and remember to make a thread. Why are you getting rid of your aimpoint? |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 3:03:07 AM EDT
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Jumped on the blem sale to add to my growing PA collection.
Too good a price to pass up. I'm definitely in the ACSS reticle camp, though. You guys really need to make that happen. I could see the CQB version selling like hot cakes. I have the 3X ACSS CQB Prism scope, and the 4-14 ACSS HUD DMR is my go-to on my "varmint-slayer" AR. I went through over 2,000 rds of 50gr ballistic tip this season on p-dogs. That scope is the cat's ass! The wind-hold dots made shooting in these Kansas breezes a lot easier. |
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Posted: 12/20/2017 7:44:04 AM EDT
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It looks like they do have a fix (new circuit board) if you'd like to deal with it.
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Posted: 12/20/2017 1:29:02 PM EDT
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I'm going to hold off on PA until the night vision settings are fixed.
Without night vision settings might as well buy the much cheaper TRS 25....... |
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