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Posted: 12/5/2018 3:03:39 PM EDT
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Thanks for that, I still need to get it mounted to see if I can deal with it or not. Anything above setting 3 doesn't look good. But that might be fine. I just figured it would be like the PST I just sold.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: My astigmatisms is “pretty bad” according to my ophthalmologist and I do not see a “f’ing comet” through mine. Of course everbody’s eyes are different. Just to be sure, you’re setting the brightness level for the correct lighting conditions, right? I just pulled mine out and if I’m looking at a darker target and it’s set too bright it’ll look like said f’ing comet. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 3:32:42 PM EDT
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This a review I found on optics planet. Wish I had seen it sooner, but it is what it is..
""I have a severe astigmatism and cannot use dot scopes, so I decided to buy this scope thinking that the illuminated dot was etched on a prism instead of being projected on the lens like a dot scope. Unfortunately, the scope uses the same mechanism as a dot scope in projecting the dot on the cross hair. This results in a distorted illuminated dot if you have a astigmatism. I contacted Steiner and they confirmed that this scope will not work with those who have astigmatism. This scope is designed to sight it in and then forget it! This scope is not designed to adjust holdovers with the turrets, the BDC reticle is used for this. The turrets are mushy, and because the graduations are so cluttered, its difficult to align precisely with the indicator mark on the tube which a about .128 inch from the both the windage and elevation turrets. By default, the scope is set up to turn of the reticle after three hours of continuous use. This behavior can be disabled. The glass and field of view is excellent for a scope in this price range."" I really need to get it on the rifle, and run with it. Been so crazy with work, leave when dark, get home when dark, guess it depends on how bright it is in daylight. Unless it's defective which I doubt.. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 3:59:13 PM EDT
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The weekend before last, I was camping and shooting with my BCM mini recce that wears a P4Xi and overnight at around 7,550ft it got into the low 20s (so obviously the optic froze) and when I adjusted the magnification from 4x to 1x the following morning, the scope audibly hissed at me. It has been on the rifle for a year and a half, has over 3,500 rounds under it, and rides in the truck getting knocked around off-road all the time and I've never had any issues with it prior to that. I assume a seal shrunk or outright failed allowing the pressurized nitrogen to escape.
I feared that it would begin fogging internally or start exhibiting some other detrimental effects, so I took it back out the following weekend and got it really cold and wet again and it exhibited no fogging or other issues. I then warmed it up quickly in the truck, and vice versa, but observed no detrimental effects. Throughout the weekend, it saw 6,400+ feet in elevation changes quickly, I dropped it twice from waist-height onto frozen ground, and put 180 rounds through it quickly while still wet and frozen, and it still functions without any fogging, glare, illumination issues, loss of zero, etc. I am still concerned about the noise I heard the week before as I've never had an optic do that before, so I think I'm going to submerge it, adjust the magnification a few times and leave it overnight to see if there's any moisture intrusion. I love everything about this scope so I'm hoping it survives the test, but I'd rather know for sure than have it fail at an inopportune time. |
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Posted: 12/5/2018 4:15:55 PM EDT
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You should give Steiner CS a call and see what they recommend. Keep us posted on what happens.
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The weekend before last, I was camping and shooting with my BCM mini recce that wears a P4Xi and overnight at around 7,550ft it got into the low 20s (so obviously the optic froze) and when I adjusted the magnification from 4x to 1x the following morning, the scope audibly hissed at me. It has been on the rifle for a year and a half, has over 3,500 rounds under it, and rides in the truck getting knocked around off-road all the time and I've never had any issues with it prior to that. I assume a seal shrunk or outright failed allowing the pressurized nitrogen to escape. I feared that it would begin fogging internally or start exhibiting some other detrimental effects, so I took it back out the following weekend and got it really cold and wet again and it exhibited no fogging or other issues. I then warmed it up quickly in the truck, and vice versa, but observed no detrimental effects. Throughout the weekend, it saw 6,400+ feet in elevation changes quickly, I dropped it twice from waist-height onto frozen ground, and put 180 rounds through it quickly while still wet and frozen, and it still functions without any fogging, glare, illumination issues, loss of zero, etc. I am still concerned about the noise I heard the week before as I've never had an optic do that before, so I think I'm going to submerge it, adjust the magnification a few times and leave it overnight to see if there's any moisture intrusion. I love everything about this scope so I'm hoping it survives the test, but I'd rather know for sure than have it fail at an inopportune time. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 1:13:29 AM EDT
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I think I can live with it. So playing with it tonight, 1-4 setting is tolerable with the astigmatism.
Still have not had a chance to see it in a daylight setting, just house lights. At the 5 setting the red starts to shoot up the vertical line a bit, but could live with it if I needed to go that high of a setting. At 7,8 and 9 it starburst pretty good and really lights up the vertical line specially at the top. 10 no way in hell. Hulk9281 Is this what you are seeing as well, granted eye sight from person to person is what it is.. Either way I can't see needing to go above 5 for a setting, and feel probably 3 to 4 would be fine for all around. The thing really is crystal clear, that's a given! |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 10:55:03 AM EDT
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I think I can live with it. So playing with it tonight, 1-4 setting is tolerable with the astigmatism. Still have not had a chance to see it in a daylight setting, just house lights. At the 5 setting the red starts to shoot up the vertical line a bit, but could live with it if I needed to go that high of a setting. At 7,8 and 9 it starburst pretty good and really lights up the vertical line specially at the top. 10 no way in hell. Hulk9281 Is this what you are seeing as well, granted eye sight from person to person is what it is.. Either way I can't see needing to go above 5 for a setting, and feel probably 3 to 4 would be fine for all around. The thing really is crystal clear, that's a given! |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 1:23:44 PM EDT
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You should give Steiner CS a call and see what they recommend. Keep us posted on what happens.  I don't know what caused the "pssshh" sound from the ocular bell, but it doesn't appear to have affected the function of the optic at all. Pics on my IG for anyone interested in the dunk test, @low_speed_high_drag. |
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Posted: 12/6/2018 10:39:41 PM EDT
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Sounds like a mini torture test.. Good to see the results!
Okay, so I actually brought mine to work to see it in the daylight and I am fine with it, no f'ing comet. In bright light or against a white building it does very well. Still a bit starry after level 5 but looks fine and I can live with it. My guess is it was more pronounced (astigmatism wise) in a darker setting. It is a light gathering machine in a daylight setting, and the dot shows up very well. Still have a bit of bleed into the horz & vertical reticle but have read that happening in many reviews. Over all I think I will like it, just need to get out and shoot it.. |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 1:09:34 AM EDT
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BDC works with 175g at 2,580fps per Steiner. 62g 5.56.
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Posted: 12/7/2018 2:07:51 AM EDT
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I think I can live with it. So playing with it tonight, 1-4 setting is tolerable with the astigmatism. Still have not had a chance to see it in a daylight setting, just house lights. At the 5 setting the red starts to shoot up the vertical line a bit, but could live with it if I needed to go that high of a setting. At 7,8 and 9 it starburst pretty good and really lights up the vertical line specially at the top. 10 no way in hell. Hulk9281 Is this what you are seeing as well, granted eye sight from person to person is what it is.. Either way I can't see needing to go above 5 for a setting, and feel probably 3 to 4 would be fine for all around. The thing really is crystal clear, that's a given! |
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Posted: 12/7/2018 10:13:25 AM EDT
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I went ahead and submerged it for 24 hours and adjusted the magnification underwater a few times. It came out fine, no leaks or moisture intrusion. Everything functions fine... and it's extra clean now. I don't know what caused the "pssshh" sound from the ocular bell, but it doesn't appear to have affected the function of the optic at all. Pics on my IG for anyone interested in the dunk test, @low_speed_high_drag.
I’m glad it turned out good! 
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Posted: 12/7/2018 12:24:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Well that’s one way to check it...
I’m glad it turned out good! Quote HistoryQuoted:Well that’s one way to check it...
I’m glad it turned out good!
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Sounds like a mini torture test.. Good to see the results! |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 4:50:05 PM EDT
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What scope height to use for strelok pro w a larue 204 mount?
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Posted: 12/20/2018 5:00:15 PM EDT
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What scope height to use for strelok pro w a larue 204 mount? |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 5:15:34 PM EDT
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That’s 1.5 over rail. You need over bore center.
Should be 2.7-2.75 with the 204 |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:44:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This a review I found on optics planet. Wish I had seen it sooner, but it is what it is.. ""I have a severe astigmatism and cannot use dot scopes, so I decided to buy this scope thinking that the illuminated dot was etched on a prism instead of being projected on the lens like a dot scope. Unfortunately, the scope uses the same mechanism as a dot scope in projecting the dot on the cross hair. This results in a distorted illuminated dot if you have a astigmatism. I contacted Steiner and they confirmed that this scope will not work with those who have astigmatism. This scope is designed to sight it in and then forget it! This scope is not designed to adjust holdovers with the turrets, the BDC reticle is used for this. The turrets are mushy, and because the graduations are so cluttered, its difficult to align precisely with the indicator mark on the tube which a about .128 inch from the both the windage and elevation turrets. By default, the scope is set up to turn of the reticle after three hours of continuous use. This behavior can be disabled. The glass and field of view is excellent for a scope in this price range."" I really need to get it on the rifle, and run with it. Been so crazy with work, leave when dark, get home when dark, guess it depends on how bright it is in daylight. Unless it's defective which I doubt.. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 3:56:30 PM EDT
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Sounds like a mini torture test.. Good to see the results! Okay, so I actually brought mine to work to see it in the daylight and I am fine with it, no f'ing comet. In bright light or against a white building it does very well. Still a bit starry after level 5 but looks fine and I can live with it. My guess is it was more pronounced (astigmatism wise) in a darker setting. It is a light gathering machine in a daylight setting, and the dot shows up very well. Still have a bit of bleed into the horz & vertical reticle but have read that happening in many reviews. Over all I think I will like it, just need to get out and shoot it.. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 4:56:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My moderate astigmatism wasn't and issue with the P4Xi in my limited experience with it. I miss my Steiner but it went to a good new home. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:08:13 PM EDT
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Same. It wasn't an issue whatsoever. I miss my Steiner but it went to a good new home. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here for me. Every red dot is a starburst for me, it’s not terrible but it’s there. The Steiner is a perfect dot. |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 5:17:06 PM EDT
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This was going to be my next optic until I read this. Sucks to hear. Back to the drawing board. Who in the same price range has something that for work for those of us with astigmatisms? |
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Posted: 12/27/2018 7:21:56 PM EDT
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Looking at a reddot inside will bloom most of the time. When outside in brighter light the dot bloom is not as obvious.
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Posted: 12/27/2018 7:26:57 PM EDT
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I found it was more prominent inside on a say the 4 to 5 setting.
Outside shooting a couple of weeks ago, and it was not an issue at all. As long as I don't go above 6 or 7 the dot is fine. Like mentioned though at the higher setting it will start to bleed up the reticle. Great optic and I have no plan to change it. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 9:38:51 AM EDT
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One thing im unable to find out. The reticle Steiner P4Xi uses, is it mRad? Meaning, if I zero it to 100m, those holdovers work at 200 etc meters?
US only uses yards when reviewing this scope and im not sure if there are two options, one for holdovers in meters and second one in holdover in yards. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:18:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2018 10:23:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/28/2018 12:29:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Someone smarter then me could perhaps clarify, what am I seeing here? I turn it to 4x and zero it to 200 yards - as most things are pointed out both in cm and inches (and some only in cm), but what are the holdover marks 300/400/500/600 yards or meters? |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 6:51:40 PM EDT
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I asked Steiner directly and this is supposedly the "2016 reticle guide" thats quite different from the others ive seen. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 7:27:38 PM EDT
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https://www.upload.ee/image/9357935/Steiner2016.jpg I asked Steiner directly and this is supposedly the "2016 reticle guide" thats quite different from the others ive seen. |
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Posted: 12/28/2018 7:40:18 PM EDT
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I uploaded the 2016 reticle guide that was sent to me: 2016 reticle guide
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Posted: 12/29/2018 1:35:19 AM EDT
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I uploaded the 2016 reticle guide that was sent to me: 2016 reticle guide |
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Posted: 12/29/2018 1:39:54 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/29/2018 9:48:54 AM EDT
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How are you getting the two cross over points for zero to show up on your strelok? Mine won't show the zero distance on reticle, just the next distance hash down. Would like my numbers to match up as nicely as that to the hashes. Just got a used p4xi with a 1.9 height mount and it is pretty nice. Needed something with bullet drop and covered turrets since my swfa turrets turned on me at my last 5k run n gun
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Posted: 12/29/2018 7:26:03 PM EDT
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idk there is a setting for show near and far zero cant find it.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 7:31:20 PM EDT
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idk there is a setting for show near and far zero i cant find it now.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 8:07:19 PM EDT
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Found it. When looking at the reticle view there is a setting tab at the bottom and just click the box and bam. Thanks for letting me know what it was called.
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Posted: 12/29/2018 9:18:59 PM EDT
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https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/354072/Screenshot_20181228-204221_png-788678.JPG Here is M855 @2850 (14.5 inch barrel) 200 yard zero 2.6" over bore |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 2:20:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What am I seeing here? Is this a program of some sort? |
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Posted: 12/30/2018 11:31:39 AM EDT
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@subroc its an app called strelok pro theres a version on apple store and one on google play store. It cost like $12 to unlock the full version which gives access to thousands of reticles of scopes. You can add your cartridge specs (ballistic coefficient, muzzle velocity, weight), altitude and find your scopes reticle. Set your zero and itll give you an idea of where your scopes holdovers will be relative to reticles. You can even add or subtract clicks to try to tune your ammo for the scope BDC. Theres reticles for Trijicon ACOGs, Accupowers, Steiners, Primary Arms optics, Vortex (Razor, Strike Eagle), Nightforce, Eotechs, MIL style, MOA style, even plain red dots (2,3,4,6 MOA dot sizes) its impossible to list them all. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: What am I seeing here? Is this a program of some sort? Thanks again. |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 2:13:40 PM EDT
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Who has the best price on this scope?
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Posted: 12/31/2018 2:55:29 PM EDT
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Who has the best price on this scope? |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 6:19:16 PM EDT
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Who has the best price on this scope? |
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Posted: 12/31/2018 7:33:04 PM EDT
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Went up from last year. Used to be $450 LEO/MIL price. Good thing I got a killer deal on a used one in a quick release mount.
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Posted: 1/1/2019 3:43:17 PM EDT
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Looking for a bruiser optic for the SD plains. Will be used on a yote gun at temperatures down below 0º F, glass clarity is important.
Steiner holding up well under abuse or pony up for a NF 1-4 NXS? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 5:26:31 PM EDT
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Are there different SKUs for the 7.62 version?
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Posted: 1/2/2019 6:47:27 PM EDT
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Are there different SKUs for the 7.62 version? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 7:51:07 PM EDT
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There is only one version of the P4Xi 1-4x. Steiner says the BDC should be able to work decently enough for both 5.56 and 7.62 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Are there different SKUs for the 7.62 version? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 8:08:26 PM EDT
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Didn't they used to make a version specific to 7.62? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 11:25:45 AM EDT
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Looking for a bruiser optic for the SD plains. Will be used on a yote gun at temperatures down below 0º F, glass clarity is important. Steiner holding up well under abuse or pony up for a NF 1-4 NXS? |
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Posted: 2/13/2019 12:22:31 PM EDT
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For those with astigmatism:
This has been my personal experience. I was using an Aimpoint PRO and started seeing the starburst. I was lucky enough to sell it and try the Steiner P4Xi. I had no issues with the illuminated red dot in the Steiner and did not see any starburst. My astigmatism is about 1.75 so it is pretty bad. Just my two cents. |
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